9 ball rant

I played a guy last week where I felt similar to this. This is someone I know I should beat, but he was luckier than anyone I've ever seen. He didn't slop balls in, it was quite the opposite. Everytime he got bad position he tried to bank or hit it 100 mph and I would be left kicking at the ball. I counted 12 kicks in a race to 5. I hit the ball every time but one. When I had a shot I ran out but didn't make a ball on the break. That to me is getting lucky. Slopping balls in doesn't occur very often but having to kick 12 times in a short race is crazy.

Someone came up to me and said, "This guy sh1ts safe more than anyone I've ever seen." He was not a real strong player, hence the firing at balls and getting out of position. Every time I kept thinking, okay, he's bad on this ball, now I can take control of the table. Then I would be walking up to another kick.
 
The last time i saw someone slop in a shot in one pocket i was 8 years old

You must be joking (or 9)! I've banked a ball from my opponents side into a group of balls in front of my pocket hoping to get "lucky" and make one. It happpens all the time in one pocket. The better the player, the more
"luck" they seem to have!

Lyn
 
I started playing in 1961 and they have always meant the same thing. Except in bars.

call shot would mean that you have to call the shot (ie if it's going to carom off another ball and then go into the pocket)

and call pocket means you just have to call the pocket and nothing else

i heard that way before i started playing in bars.
 
IMPO everybody slops shots now and again, even the pros. i see it all the time. and as for call pocket or shot, next time you play someone make it clear to them thats what you would like to happen. but in all reality 9 ball rules state that you dont have to call anything except the push shot after the break. it also states that if a ball is pocketed no matter what its still that persons shot. so i say if you dont want players slopping in shots on you then maybe you should stick to playing the ghost.
 
I played a guy last week where I felt similar to this. This is someone I know I should beat, but he was luckier than anyone I've ever seen. He didn't slop balls in, it was quite the opposite. Everytime he got bad position he tried to bank or hit it 100 mph and I would be left kicking at the ball. I counted 12 kicks in a race to 5. I hit the ball every time but one. When I had a shot I ran out but didn't make a ball on the break. That to me is getting lucky. Slopping balls in doesn't occur very often but having to kick 12 times in a short race is crazy.

Someone came up to me and said, "This guy sh1ts safe more than anyone I've ever seen." He was not a real strong player, hence the firing at balls and getting out of position. Every time I kept thinking, okay, he's bad on this ball, now I can take control of the table. Then I would be walking up to another kick.


Bet higher and i guarantee it doesn't happen anymore
 
oh and as far as the difference in call pocket and call shot it goes like this. call shot is when you say okay 8 bal cross corner or 8 ball side pocket with the intentions of an easy shot. call pocket is like saying ok 8 ball corner pocket, i dont know how its going in there but thats the pocket im calling. they are both pretty similar but still very different.
 
There is always a degree of luck in 9-ball.

I agree with the guy who had the 12 kicks in a short race. I played a guy like that, too. He'd shoot 100mph, and it seemed that every time I got to the table, I was looking at a kick. And when he kicks, he'd get enough balls moving around that he'd either leave me hooked, or luck another ball in (and just happen to fall perfect on the next one), or even the 9.

To run a rack the "proper" way does take a degree of skill, but there is absolutely no skill whatsoever when someone is playing by the philosophy of "When in doubt, get the 9 moving.".

And it takes A LOT more skill to run a rack of straight pool than it does to run a rack of 9-ball.

But as Fast Eddie said, "What the hell, checkers sells more than chess.".
 
You must be joking (or 9)! I've banked a ball from my opponents side into a group of balls in front of my pocket hoping to get "lucky" and make one. It happpens all the time in one pocket. The better the player, the more
"luck" they seem to have!

Lyn

E-X-A-C-T-L-Y

Dale
 
Alex Higgins Calls

This story was posted recently (I couldn't find the thread)

A snooker playing Scotsman (Robert) here in the GTA area told the following story about Alex 'Hurricane' Higgins.

Apparently Robert was playing in the Embassy snooker championships at the CNE in Toronto and got to play Higgins. In their conversation after losing quite badly, Robert happened to mention that he was going to visit Niagara Falls the following day with his family. Higgins said he'd never been to Niagara Falls and could he tag along? "Well, OK..." says Robert, a little taken aback.

They picked Higgins up at his hotel the following morning. It's about a two hour drive and they had driven along the QEW past Hamilton and were continuing past Grimsby when Alex said, "I'm thirsty, lets stop for a pint..."

This was at 10:00am in the morning. So they find an exit sign on the highway that indicates a restaurant and get off. The eatery turns out to be a small family type establishment that serves alcohol and diner type food - and by lucky chance they have a couple of 8-foot pool tables in the back. So inevitably after a pint (or three or four in Higgin's case) and some breakfast, they decide to have a few games of 8-ball.

Apparently, Alex doesn't know the rules of 8-ball, so Robert starts explaining in his broad Scottish accent in some detail to the amusement of some of the locals who are standing around. They grab a couple of house cues and start casually knocking balls around so that Alex can get the feel of a pool cue and Robert can illustrate some of the finer points of the rules. This seems to quiet the 'gallery' and one of them comes over and says "Do either of you guys feel like playing a few games? Race to seven... Yes? Oh, and how about a buck a game just to make it a bit more interesting...?"

Alex says, "OK, but make it $10.00 a game... I don't think I can get interested for a buck." The local guy grins and nods. He says, "It's your money. House rules... you only have to call the 8-ball" and they lag for the break.

Alex Higgins wins the lag and breaks. According to Robert, it was a rather feeble break by North America standards but he does manage to scatter the balls widely and a stripe goes in. He says, "8-ball in the top right..." and points to the corner pocket. "Um, no, you don't have to call the 8-ball until you've sunk all of your stripes." says the local. "Nonsense." Says Alex, "you made the rules. 8-ball in the top right...". He bends over the table and moves effortlessly from stripe to stripe and then shoots the 8 ball in the top right.

I don't have to tell you the rest. He calls the 8-ball after every break and makes it in the called pocket. Robert claims he ran 7 tables in a row - even though he had never played 8-ball before. He thanked the local, took the $70 bucks and gave it to the bar-keeper saying, "Drinks are on the house..." And then they made a grand exit with Alex waving to the locals, as Robert said, 'like the bloody queen in a parade...'.

Never heard whether they made it to Niagara Falls or not.
 
I am not really a fan of luck shots either probably because i dont play the "A" game most on here claim to have. for me when someone get the luck shot or even worse the crap leave on the cue ball, it puts me in a mood that is hard for me to recover from. if it happens once or twice then OK but i have played several goof balls who made a whole night of this.

Now does this mean that my opponent is closer to me in skill. sometimes, but we (the ranters) dont think that we are semi pro and never claim to be better than we are.... maybe we just dont like when undeserved crap happens unintentionally. Is everyone on here (from earlier post) gonna say that they dont get pissed when they are playing a match for whatever reason, (money, league, etc.) and this dung happens.. They are lying. plainm and simple. my solution to this for me is to not play 9 ball for anything that matters. i just do it to work on rotation games for practice.
 
Quit worrying about what he does.

YOU let him get to the table, to see what he saw, to do what he did.

You have to control the table better.

Hold that cueball like a leash on a rabid dog.

Remember that he only gets to see what you let him see, IF you let him to the table.

I'm not saying I'm an A Player. And a lot of A, AA, AAA's, etc. are some of the biggest crybabies ever. It really doesn't matter.

You let him on the table, to see what he saw, and to do what he did.

THAT'S 9ball.
 
All I can say to this is that in the last year, the pro and monthly tournaments here have switched to call pocket 10 ball, and it is heaven. (Actually, about 2 months ago I watched Cha Yu Ram play Kim Ga Young in a TV match, and CYR didn't call a somewhat non-obvious combination, and it cost her the game).

I understand what MULLY said, and I do win games crapping stuff in playing 9 ball, but I never feel good about it. For me the stress of having a guy whack at balls isn't worth the few wins luck gets me. I'd quit the game, but no amateur in this country plays anything but 9 ball and a bastardized version of straight pool (that's not an exaggeration, either).
 
I don't like 9 ball, but it isn't because of the luck aspect of it. There is some degree of luck in all the pool games.

I just don't like it because it is boring, there's no real creative shot making, very little strategy and doesn't really offer the challenges of 8 ball, 14.1, one pocket, snooker, so on.
 
call shot would mean that you have to call the shot (ie if it's going to carom off another ball and then go into the pocket)

and call pocket means you just have to call the pocket and nothing else

i heard that way before i started playing in bars.

Makes absolutely no difference, all you have to indicate is the ball and the pocket. I've never played any other way and never will. As I said previously, only in bars have I seen pool played that way and it's a crock.
 
I'm sick of "that's nine ball" crap.

Now i'm no pro, or even a master player, but if i have to put up with slop any longer i will fn kill someone!

If you can't play call pocket when you play pool please jump off the nearest tall structure.

Thanks

Craig


I'll do ya 1 better. How about when playing 8 ball, shoot whatever ya want but you have to call your "next" shot. I hate when a guy goes for shape on a certain ball, gets hooked and gets to shoot any other ball in his/her group.

How would you like to play under this rule?;)
 
call shot would mean that you have to call the shot (ie if it's going to carom off another ball and then go into the pocket)

and call pocket means you just have to call the pocket and nothing else

i heard that way before i started playing in bars.
what??? you call ball & pocket & that's it, no caroms, rails or anything else unless you are playing some goofy bar rules
 
Nothing more fun than intentionally slopping in a ball just to rattle the guy you are playing. :)

"Can't believe I missed the 2 ball by that much but thank God I got that 7 in!" Then see what shade of red he turns. :)
 
I'm sick of "that's nine ball" crap.

Well, unfortunately that *is* 9-ball. How about some 14.1?

It's interesting to see how a traditional bangers/luck game became some kind of elitist snob/don't-rearrange-the-lay-of-the-table game 30 years after it's been forced down our throats ad nauseum. I don't like slop, and I don't play 9-ball. When/if I have to play it, then I understand the rules and deal with the crap that comes with it.
 
I don't like 9 ball, but it isn't because of the luck aspect of it. There is some degree of luck in all the pool games.

I just don't like it because it is boring, there's no real creative shot making, very little strategy and doesn't really offer the challenges of 8 ball, 14.1, one pocket, snooker, so on.


Watch a few Efren Reyes 9ball matches and get back to us on that.
 
Makes absolutely no difference, all you have to indicate is the ball and the pocket. I've never played any other way and never will. As I said previously, only in bars have I seen pool played that way and it's a crock.


If there's a ball next to the pocket making the pocket bigger when shooting the 8 it could make the difference between an hanger and a 50/50 win loss
 
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