I was watching WPBA on ESPN this weekend and the commentator mentioned that one of the ladies had a 23% runout record. What do you think the mens is?
9 ball runout % for pro men
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None of the women had a 23% B & R stat for the year. He probably said for that tournament. All the stats are on the WPBA web site. wpba.com
Johnnyt
If i'm not mistaken someone mentioned this awhile ago in another post like this and said someone recorded a bunch of male pros for awhile and found that Earl strickland ran out 33% of the time (could be wrong) and Johnny Archer was second with 30% run out record.
If I could only find that thread...
If I could only find that thread...
They are probably referring to break and run percentage.
On standard pocket tables size tables I understand something like 20% - 30% break and run would be expected of pro men.
Chris
Good info Johnny. The highest was Kim Ga-Young at 17.79% - most weren't even close.
Here's the page: http://www.wpba.com/pdfs/2009wpba_ytdstats_111909.pdf
Makes me wonder if the mens overall average percentage is lower than usually reported.
Chris
So what, you think a pro male player can run out more than 30% of the time from the break?
Do you watch much pool? Lets say it was more like 50%. A race to 10 (most tournaments are around this race) would mean he would run out 5 racks from his break. That will win you every freaken tournament if your running out 50% of the time from your break.
i guess so if you can do it in front of a large crowd and on TV.
When you play the 9-ball ghost w/o bih you loose one game if you miss, then you break again. If you're playing a top pro like SVB you miss you might sit for 3 to 5 racks and when you do get a shot you better be able to hit it and make it or get a lock-up safe or you're back in the chair again. Johnnyt
30% would be 3 games in a race to 7 (the score would be 7-3 after 10 games).
It's always fun just knowing that too...instills confidence in all his opponents! No wonder I hate to play those guys.:wink:
Chris
It is 30 % of your own breaks.
So if you breaks 6 times in a match, and you have 2 b&r's, you have 33 %.
If you break 10 times and still have 2 b&r's you have 20 %, even if the score is 10-9 and you have won the other racks of safeties and opponents misses.
I would be very happy if I could go through a season with 20 % break & runs.
So if you breaks 6 times in a match, and you have 2 b&r's, you have 33 %.
If you break 10 times and still have 2 b&r's you have 20 %, even if the score is 10-9 and you have won the other racks of safeties and opponents misses.
I would be very happy if I could go through a season with 20 % break & runs.
When we had the 9 ball tourney's here at Hollywood Billards, with 4" to 4.25" pockets downstairs, nobody saw many break and runs. Maybe in a race to 7 you would see one, but most often not. Even the great Johnny Archer had a hard time pocketing a ball on the break, much less getting out afterward. Otherwise, the tight pockets didn't bother him in the least. I don't think I saw any multi rack break and runs. The room was humid too, so the balls were just dead.
This is why I am hoping these smaller pockets become the norm. It makes the safety and position game a lot more important than the break.
Chris
Does anyone know the B&R stats for a recent men's match? Maybe the TAR crew knows for the DM vs SVB match? Or a recent major men's tournament?
It's not exactly recent, but...
Accu-stats originally did a statistics magazine and not tapes of matches. The full run of the magazine is available at http://www.sfbilliards.com/accustats/
Some example run-out percentages (averages for all players in the tournament):
Sands Regent II, 1985 (Reyes, Swanson, W. Crane, Medina)
Run out from the break: 18%
Run out after making a ball on the break: 34.%
Run out with ball in hand: 62%
McDERMOTT MASTERS 1987 (Varner, Sigel, Davenport, Rempe)
Run out from the break: 23%
Run out after making a ball on the break: 37%
Run out with ball in hand; 69%
Glass City 1987, (Strickland, Davenport, Williams, McCready)
Run out from the break: 16%
Run out after making a ball on the break: 28%
Run out with ball in hand: 65%
Which is a good point: Tournaments are not a good measure of b/r potential. Players are trying to win and going for the out is often not the best strategy.
I know of a couple players in the area that are guarenteed outta there 8 rating are running from break 3 times every week I see these guys play,, and I often wondered how is it that these guys aint pros.
I think its who you know,, and who you have your girl ****
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I think its who you know,, and who you have your girl ****
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