9 ball runout % for pro men

[Snapshot9]

I have never forgotten this

but the first time I ever got to watch Coy Lee Nicholson play in a tournament, which he won handily here in Wichita, he was really 'on his stick', and had an 88% runout percentage for the tournament.

He kept track of his runout percentages. I was really impressed with that, and yes, it was on oversized 7 footers.

 

[pt109]

no Tiger jokes please

The statistics that Bob Jewett’s presented are the best estimates that can be used to determine when you are approaching the Professional level of play. Calculating the averages for the three tournaments he presented:

From the break = 19% (2 out of ten attempts)
Ball made on the break = 33% (3 out of ten attempts)
With ball in hand = 65% (6.5 out of ten attempts)

The best estimator for ability to play with the pros is probably the last one. If you can run seven out of ten racks with ball in hand at the practice table you are ready to play with the pros.

These stats are from the 1980s but from what I have seen of recent tournaments I doubt that the pros are much better today. These stats are very useful for gauging when one is ready for upper level tournaments and are probably good estimtors for one's ability to play in regional tournaments etc. I had been wondering when it would be worthwhile to enter some of the regional tournaments. With these stats it seems that I now have a good method for evaluating my own development over time.

Thanks Bob.

Good post but 1 more thing
Golf has course ratings
If tables were rated,'BIH' would be an indicator,not perfect but good

 

[alstl]

so a player who can get to 3 in a race to 10 against the Ghost without ball in hand.

has PRO skills??

I guess it's time for me to go pro:grin-square:

Go for it, let us all know how it works out for you.

 

[greyghost]

Just because you can beat a dead mother f*kr doesn't mean you can beat your meat in a foot race.

Grey Ghost

 

[Fatboy]

When we had the 9 ball tourney's here at Hollywood Billards, with 4" to 4.25" pockets downstairs, nobody saw many break and runs. Maybe in a race to 7 you would see one, but most often not. Even the great Johnny Archer had a hard time pocketing a ball on the break, much less getting out afterward. Otherwise, the tight pockets didn't bother him in the least. I don't think I saw any multi rack break and runs. The room was humid too, so the balls were just dead.

This is why I am hoping these smaller pockets become the norm. It makes the safety and position game a lot more important than the break.

Chris

nobody in life will ever bnr 30% in that pool room on that equipment, but on new cloth thats still slipery and 4 5/8"-4 3/4" pockets 30% is reasonable or perhaps a bit higher, remember the Allen Hopkins $1,000,000 Shoot Out they kept track of bnr% Cory was around 40%ish as I recall.

 

[iba7467]

From the break = 19% (2 out of ten attempts)
Ball made on the break = 33% (3 out of ten attempts)
With ball in hand = 65% (6.5 out of ten attempts)

The best estimator for ability to play with the pros is probably the last one. If you can run seven out of ten racks with ball in hand at the practice table you are ready to play with the pros.

Incorrect. The stats listed also include safeties. These guys (not all elite pros) ran out 6.5 out of 10 and I assure you played a number of safeties. To play pro pool you need to at least break even spotting the ghost 8 going to 10. I have watched numerous guys win way more than 10 in a row. The only real loses should be early very tied up balls.

 

[UPlayLucky]

With a neutral racker? I know you can with rack your own.

I think he would do pretty well with a neutral person randomly placing the balls in the rack, but with Donny still getting to actually rack the balls. This way the rack is always tight and the position is consistent. He ran out some tough racks against SVB. I will admit the pattern racking allows him to run packages and we are talking about the kind that require a dolly.

 

[Tommy-D]

> Pat Fleming told me once in the mid-90's that across the board,from the also-rans all the way up to Efren,Earl,and Sigel,that the break and run out percentage was between 25-30% depending solely on the equipment,playing 8-ball or 9-ball. This is the standard I go by.

On the 2nd day of the COM match,Earl broke and ran out 19 out of 35 times,without BIH. That's beating the ghost WITHOUT BIH on a 9 ft GC.

Pat also said it was not unusual for Sigel to go an entire tournament without failing to run out with BIH,provided the balls allowed it. He added that there are no statistical penalties for taking BIH and running out to a spot to play an intentional,preplanned safe,but that there ARE penalties for having a clear runout and HAVING to stop and play safe. Tommy D.

 

[TheBook]

so a player who can get to 3 in a race to 10 against the Ghost without ball in hand.

has PRO skills??

I guess it's time for me to go pro:grin-square:

A pro would be able to do better than that will BIH to start. In tournaments you have to consider that you have to play the CB where it lays after the break.