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Chinese Taipei is the designated name used by the Republic of China (ROC), commonly known as "Taiwan", to participate in some international organizations and almost all sporting events, such as the Olympics, Paralympics, Asian Games, Asian Para Games and FIFA World Cup.
 
truefan said:
From Wikipedia:

Chinese Taipei is the designated name used by the Republic of China (ROC), commonly known as "Taiwan", to participate in some international organizations and almost all sporting events, such as the Olympics, Paralympics, Asian Games, Asian Para Games and FIFA World Cup.
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This is the name we are asked to use when doing commentary as well.
 
Zippo said:
It's very hard to get a visa to your country. If you are european there's no problem, you only need a passport. If you are from the Philippines or China is very tought to convince the folks of the embassy that you are not an immigrant.
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This is exactly why. If all the most skilled Asian players owned land or came from rich families they could easily obtain a multiple entry visa and the US open would never be the same. But we don't allow poor third world people to even set foot on our soil legally unless they have something we need. The United States apparently does not consider playing pool to be a vital skill in short supply. Many of the players currently here in the US first arrived before the current immigration policies were in effect.

JC
 
Sorry I didn't see another American flag. My apologizes to Hunter Lombardo.

I just think we should find a way to get more players over there. At least have our Mosconi team there, through sponcership. It could be another perk for them and encourage more people to play in events to make our Mosconi team.

I think a lot of the other players in this event receive outside help.

Just my thoughts on the matter.

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tom mcgonagle said:
Sorry I didn't see another American flag. My apologizes to Hunter Lombardo.

I just think we should find a way to get more players over there. At least have our Mosconi team there, through sponcership. It could be another perk for them and encourage more people to play in events to make our Mosconi team.

I think a lot of the other players in this event receive outside help.

Just my thoughts on the matter.

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Best idea I've heard yet....all Mosconi Cup team members get entry
and expenses to next World 9-ball.
 
The american players dont compete, they would rather cry and ***** about everything. They think they are owed everything and deserve everything for free.
They are most likely all at home preparing thier next agenda against the U.S. Open or some other event over here, which they have very few of and they keep pissing them all off
 
Jumping Joe,

I understand they way you feel and you definitely have the grounds for stating it.

I also believe, 'Two wrongs don't make anything right."

The money players anticipate being there when they win an event, shouldn't come in the form of an ,"I Owe You."

Pool had a great chance of making it big, in my lifetime. They just couldn't overcome certain obstacles and I have stated them before and I'll say them again.
It goes for both sides.

It's impossible to get anything going in the right direction when you're dealing with, GREED, SELFISHNESS and STUPIDITY."

I'm sorry but most of the leaders of the professional organizations and the promoters of these events, possessed these qualities.

Again, Just my thoughts.

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Celtic...Hey, I never said "person" (show me where I said one person). I said "WHO"...which implies there can be singular or multiple people or entities.
As far as the BCA goes, you're talking out of your hat. How many salaried employees does the BCA have in their CO HQ? Do you know? I do...and there's NOBODY who has the ability to do what you're saying. Some positions are voluntary.

Mark Griffin does a great job with the many balls he juggles, but he is not the "savior" (and makes no reference of trying to be) of either the American pro players, nor amateur pool in the US. He does more than anyone else, and that is plenty.

You seem to be full of grandiose ideas, but the manpower to pull any of them off begins with the pros pulling together as a working unit...something that hasn't happened yet in the various incarnations of "professional" organizations over the past 5 decades. It's not so much that I disagree with you, I just disagree with who is responsible...either for the blame, or for 'making it happen'.

Scott Lee
www.poolknowledge.com

Celtic said:
I said "people" not "person". The BCA has people on payroll who are supposed to be doing something. They have done nothing at all for the sport in North America for decades now and completely ignore their mandate.

Mark Griffin who I admit does more then most has alot of power given his name and control of one of the premier league systems combined with the professional tournaments he runs. I have posted before thoughts on ways that the BCAPL and professional game could merge more into a single organization combining the amature and professional game much like the minor league of other sports. If the USA actually did this and actually got a legitimate professional tour where professional players had tour cards and played in events where only pros competed with other pros you could start to do an actual legitimate single tour ranking system that could also act as the way into world championship events.

The WPA is doing a terrible job of marketing and promoting the sport. The tournaments they are involved in have less prize fund, less publicity, and attract less of the worlds top players then they did 15 years ago. They neglect certain key areas of the world in promotion, nowhere more then the USA. They lack streaming of their events (how can you not actually WATCH a world championship in any way live... this is unexcusable). They are a dying entity with shrinking events that are becomming more obscure and harder to find information on each year and that are impossible to watch.

Other smaller players in pool remain small. Things like this world championships, a lack of USA participation, and there is noone stepping up to the plate and saying "this is not ok, we need to fix this and we need to start working on it NOW so that next year at this time things are different". Instead everyone is apathetic, they shrug, grunt, and simply do not care. And if that is the way things continue then not only will nothing improve, they will continue to get worse.
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tom mcgonagle said:
Jumping Joe,

I understand they way you feel and you definitely have the grounds for stating it.

I also believe, 'Two wrongs don't make anything right."

The money players anticipate being there when they win an event, shouldn't come in the form of an ,"I Owe You."

Pool had a great chance of making it big, in my lifetime. They just couldn't overcome certain obstacles and I have stated them before and I'll say them again.
It goes for both sides.

It's impossible to get anything going in the right direction when you're dealing with, GREED, SELFISHNESS and STUPIDITY."

I'm sorry but most of the leaders of the professional organizations and the promoters of these events, possessed these qualities.

Again, Just my thoughts.

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http://tommcgonaglerightoncue.com
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Tom, I don't think the fault lies solely with the promoters and organizations. In the 80's, 90's and 2000's tournaments that I personally produced paid out over $2,000,000 in total prize monies. ALL prize money was paid promptly and completely! I don't owe any player a dime today. How much did I make after all that? Well less than what I would have earned if I had been working at MacDonalds all that time. ;)
 
Rubyron said:
Then what, pray tell, is the reason the Asians aren't robbing the US Open? It has an equally enticing first place prize of $40,000.

After doing some Google research :) I am absolutely astounded to find that an Asian player has only won twice (Efren 94' & Alex 05') in the last 35 years. Other than that it has been dominated by American and European players.

If the "phillipines, chinese tapei and china" players "are just too strong" why aren't they winning this tournament? Are the Europeans standing in their way?
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speaking of alex looks like he didnt go.
didnt he win expenses paid when he won the canadian 9 ball?
 
gordml said:
speaking of alex looks like he didnt go.
didnt he win expenses paid when he won the canadian 9 ball?
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That would be for next year.....
...and he's playing a bit of golf now....hates sand traps...
 
tom mcgonagle said:
I just looked at the results of the first day. Only one American is entered in this event. Pretty sad commentary for a country that ruled the game for years.

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It cost too much, I would not expect the average pool player going on their own. The only solution is having qualifiers so a player can win their way in and expenses for maybe a $150.00 entry. Know what though, they would turn it in for cash in hand, pocket the money and still not go.
 
Most players look at it as a business deal. Run the numbers and risks sometime. If you are covering the nut yourself international play is a suckers game. Plus the fact that the only reason to go is the money. Winning a "World Championship" doesn't up your earning potential one iota in the U.S.

Why is that ? Because people here could care less about some tournament they can't watch. Besides if you wait long enough there is sure to be a "World tournament" in a strip mall in Florida or somewhere soon.

Until the WPA manages to do what every $500 added event in the US does which is have a basic free stream at least for people to actually watch this supposed pinnacle event in pool no one will give the least little shit about it. Nor should they.
 
Scott Lee said:
but the manpower to pull any of them off begins with the pros pulling together as a working unit
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ROFLMAO! Yeah, good luck on that.

Even IF they did that, and at times they attempt to do so as witnessed by things like the ABP, they are by in large a completely clueless lot who have played pool since they were knee high to a grasshopper and have done little more then play professional pool then entire lives. They don't have a clue how to run a professional sport properly. What the sport needs is professional management and marketing by people who did not play pool their entire youth and instead went to university and got degrees in such things.

The pros need to stick to playing pool. This sport if it ever goes anywhere will be due to someone who is not a professional pool player but a professional in the ways of building a sport from the ground up and who knows how to produce, promote, and market such things.

I mean FFS man, can you imagine the NBA, the NHL, MLB, or the NFL and how well things would go if you let the players have control of the management side of their sport? It would be a gong show. But you expect the pool playing professionals to actually build this sport from the ground up? Get real man.
 
JCIN said:
Winning a "World Championship" doesn't up your earning potential one iota in the U.S.

Why is that ? Because people here could care less about some tournament they can't watch.
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Even if people cannot watch it there is no question that winning the World 9-ball Championship would likely result in a huge boost in sponsership for most of the players in America and open up alot of doors that many of the players near the top currently don't have open to them.

Sponsership these days in pool is absolutely critical. ATM it is the catch 22 that stops people from being able to compete in these international events, as you said they don't have the sponsors to send them. But win a world championship and you can join SVB as one of the select few that a company might actually send to these types of events.
 
JCIN said:
Winning a "World Championship" doesn't up your earning potential one iota in the U.S.
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I respectfully disagree, there isnt direct compensation for the win, but the winners income potential does go up. If Hunter Lombardo wins, he will get a better cue deal than he has, maybe, or better chalk deal, $$$ for wearing patches in up comming events. Thats not my biz, i just know what he told me. I'm not sure what deals he has, I do know what ever they are he will be worth more. His stock goes up and he will get more sponsorship $$$. I realize he has deals now-again i dont know the details(they can only get better), but he will be in a stronger position to negoaite. Nobody is going to say "Nice win, were firing you, your bad for our cue sales". I ONLY used him as a example cause he is there. Same logic applies to any one who wins from anywhere USA or ??, it increases the winners "Stock" and they can capitalize on it long term. The player wins, sponsor wins and its good for pool.

I'm going on a limb here, talking about your biz(not a good idea, but i will anyways cause were friends :) ). As it stands now with Hunter right now, if he wanted to play on a TAR production you would give him minimal show-up $$$ if any. Simply because he wont sell buys like the players you just had. Now if he snaps this world class event off, he would sell more buys thus allowing you a chance to pay him more or make more-or the real answer to that is in between. Because people would want to see him play after a big win. And because I never won a event in my life not even a $5 Tuesday nite tournament, hw many PPV buys would I draw? perhaps 10 by accident and 3 more for people to laugh at me. Get a winner in the box and you'll sell PPV's. You know that.


Now shifting gears to another player and a big win 20/21 years ago-Tommy Kennedy he beats Ja in the us Open finals, that set of pool has paid off huge for him over the years. if he took2nd i might have forgot who he is(no knock Tommy, your a great person). Just sayin winning a big event is good. another winner was Billy Cardon in 69? in 9B at the Stardust.


To your credit, i think you had a mental hiccup when you made the above statement, your very very smart buddy.


Also great job this past few months, and again my sincerest condolences to you for Chad, I think someday TAR should have a "Big Nasty" round robin PPV event in his honor. What do you think of that?? Its a great way to honor a man we all loved and was part of the pool family.

sincerly
eric
 
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Celtic...I agree with all your points here, and said essentially the same thing. I certainly don't expect the players to manage themselves. Even with professional management (someone outside the industry), the players would still have to AGREE to be part of the plan...rather than part of the 'problem'...which probably has a snowball's chance in h*ll to happen. So,again, we agree in principle...but you still cannot lay the blame on the BCA.

Scott Lee
www.poolknowledge.com

Celtic said:
ROFLMAO! Yeah, good luck on that.

Even IF they did that, and at times they attempt to do so as witnessed by things like the ABP, they are by in large a completely clueless lot who have played pool since they were knee high to a grasshopper and have done little more then play professional pool then entire lives. They don't have a clue how to run a professional sport properly. What the sport needs is professional management and marketing by people who did not play pool their entire youth and instead went to university and got degrees in such things.

The pros need to stick to playing pool. This sport if it ever goes anywhere will be due to someone who is not a professional pool player but a professional in the ways of building a sport from the ground up and who knows how to produce, promote, and market such things.

I mean FFS man, can you imagine the NBA, the NHL, MLB, or the NFL and how well things would go if you let the players have control of the management side of their sport? It would be a gong show. But you expect the pool playing professionals to actually build this sport from the ground up? Get real man.
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