You can't just learn a magic system and chicken wing it ?
90 90 aiming sucks
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You can't just learn a magic system and chicken wing it ?
If your money has done you wrong and you would like
to teach it a lesson. This is the very best way to do so.
Cty, Ron did teach a system using the reflection of the light on the balls. I have the book that explains that system.
The 90-90 system is easier to use. Really only three points of aim depending on the cut. 90-90, 90-center, and 90-90 reverse. Using spin is extremely easy with this system.
The best description of the book and video was written by someone here on az. It said," is feel like I missed the beginning of the video". The book and video show you many shots using the three aiming points I mentioned above. I think he failed to completely explain the system. I do not believe you can learn from his material.
The 90-90 system is easier to use. Really only three points of aim depending on the cut. 90-90, 90-center, and 90-90 reverse. Using spin is extremely easy with this system.
The best description of the book and video was written by someone here on az. It said," is feel like I missed the beginning of the video". The book and video show you many shots using the three aiming points I mentioned above. I think he failed to completely explain the system. I do not believe you can learn from his material.
90 90 was my first intro into aiming systems. I did dabble with it very briefly. I think that what it provided me in terms of its visuals was useful. But the whole pivoting thing felt very unnatural to me. I spoke to Ron about this and he said if you're not pivoting then it's not 90/90, so I don't use it.
I think the DVDs and work book are useful. The second disc contain some really interesting kicking and banking systems (that I also do not use).
I think 90/90, in its visuals, is a good starting point for beginners (without the pivoting).
All that said aiming systems are useless if you cannot deliver the cue in a straight line, if you do not have sound fundamentals. The quickest path to improvement is to get a lesson with someone who understands this.
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I think the DVDs and work book are useful. The second disc contain some really interesting kicking and banking systems (that I also do not use).
I think 90/90, in its visuals, is a good starting point for beginners (without the pivoting).
All that said aiming systems are useless if you cannot deliver the cue in a straight line, if you do not have sound fundamentals. The quickest path to improvement is to get a lesson with someone who understands this.
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When I was messing with 90/90 I did the pivots and then I went to the stick
position in the pictures for each angle in the booklet without pivoting. I found when I
left the pivot out that I was more accurate. I attribute that to the fact that I'm setting
up according the pictorial clue Ron provided and the relationship of my body to the
pocket. That worked pretty damn good but I'm a solid clue guy. I need a solid clue I
can count on for perfect cue ball delivery. I didn't see he had that. Not for me anyway. I wanted something I could count on for ball making and using for side spin.
I use my clue systems and immediately recognize the fractional overlap I need. When
you know that and you also know without a doubt that you're right, you can learn to
deliver the cue ball correctly, with and without side spin. If you know the distance to the cue ball,
how to measure and classify it and allow for the different distances and strokes. It will take time to learn the adjustments
for the differing strokes but if you learn one then the next is right around the corner. There is a way to learn
to play with side spin.
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Kaznj,
Its been a while since I read his book, Vitello's Aiming System. Sounds like he refined his system by getting rid of lights, reduced the shot situations from 7 and maybe expanded 90% shot.
Its been a while since I read his book, Vitello's Aiming System. Sounds like he refined his system by getting rid of lights, reduced the shot situations from 7 and maybe expanded 90% shot.
Yes, I spent a weekend with him when he was doing a course in Santa Barbara. I have the rather thick handout he made for that.
He used lights and shadows both in his original teaching. His book that comes with his 90/90 DVD was originally for that purpose, then modified for 90/90.
Had a guy tell me once that when he was playing his best he was using
the lights. So I played around and constructed what I thought would work based on them.
It was pretty straight up but had some quirks. Many of the shots were made by noting
the relative position of the light reflection and then placing the contact point in the
middle of the distance from the reflection to the edge of the ball.
Other shots would be made at adjustments from that so you would have 3/4 way between, half way
between, 1/4 way between, edge to very thin contact point and edge to edge also
straight shots were full ball to full ball or close. You based these on relative angle recognition
that you get from shooting shots and knowing the angles. Which at that time I did.
The last time I played around with this I had it working pretty well on the table I was
using it on but I'm not going to play like that. Now if I got a case of the nerves and
cant figure out what to do I might start there to get me warm and then back to what I normally do but I kinda doubt it.
AzB even has a "safe" subforum where the sufficiently fuzzed are protected from unwanted unfuzzing.
pj
chgo
A system based on lights and shadows seems absolutely bonkers considering lighting could be different from room to room and even table to table.
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Don't get all technical on us now, kid.
Not to mention your relative height and distance from your eyes to the ball. As Mr. J says...don't get all technical on us kid.
Feel will always be big in Pool.
Aim them the best you can, feel what you know the shot will do.
Aim them the best you can, feel what you know the shot will do.
Don't get all technical on us now, kid.
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I realize I am a bit late in this thread; however I will post anyway. First off I will start off by saying I am a pivot aimer. I recognize there are several different ways to get your aim from a million balls to various aiming systems. I feel pivot aiming is the best.
Now for the reason I am posting. The investment in your game based upon the number of hours you play is so minimal. You have some of the most brilliant minds in pool offering you valuable information for 50 bucks. To not take advantage of that information is criminal. The more ammunion that you bring to the gun fight is for the best. Is it overkill? Maybe. Maybe not. I have purchased 90/90, cte pro one, samba, and Joe tucker. They all have merit and are used at different times.
Which one do I used most often. I would have to say 90/90. There is a misconception out there that there are only 3 reference points to it. That is incorrect. It had been a while since I watched his dvd, so I do not recall if he explains the others. But I know they are in the book. But without buying the book you would not know that. They take you to each of the 6 pockets the same way pro one does. I also use the manual pivot and feel it’s better for my game as I just seem to be more accurate pivoting. Full circle cte is right there as well. Let’s not forget Samba. Ekkes is a brilliant man and when I use English, Samba it is. But I can do that because I have invested in several areas to round out my game. Even CJ Wiley’s ultimate aiming system is the nuts when shooting long shots sometimes.
I will say nothing will help you without a good solid foundation of fundamentals. I have been to see the infamous Randyg twice. I have entered a local professional tournament twice. Can I win it? No. Can I compete? Meh, lol. I lost to CJ Wiley 9 to 3 and got smoked by chase Rudder. I guess there is no crime for losing to those.
I refuse to get into the banter of aiming system vs muscle memory as you should do what works best for you. All of them have their merits. But when you properly learn the techniques with 90/90 as well as cte and samba, they are the nuts. But all 3 have a bit different style of play. Maybe one will work better for you than another. Invest in these brilliant minds.
Mike
Now for the reason I am posting. The investment in your game based upon the number of hours you play is so minimal. You have some of the most brilliant minds in pool offering you valuable information for 50 bucks. To not take advantage of that information is criminal. The more ammunion that you bring to the gun fight is for the best. Is it overkill? Maybe. Maybe not. I have purchased 90/90, cte pro one, samba, and Joe tucker. They all have merit and are used at different times.
Which one do I used most often. I would have to say 90/90. There is a misconception out there that there are only 3 reference points to it. That is incorrect. It had been a while since I watched his dvd, so I do not recall if he explains the others. But I know they are in the book. But without buying the book you would not know that. They take you to each of the 6 pockets the same way pro one does. I also use the manual pivot and feel it’s better for my game as I just seem to be more accurate pivoting. Full circle cte is right there as well. Let’s not forget Samba. Ekkes is a brilliant man and when I use English, Samba it is. But I can do that because I have invested in several areas to round out my game. Even CJ Wiley’s ultimate aiming system is the nuts when shooting long shots sometimes.
I will say nothing will help you without a good solid foundation of fundamentals. I have been to see the infamous Randyg twice. I have entered a local professional tournament twice. Can I win it? No. Can I compete? Meh, lol. I lost to CJ Wiley 9 to 3 and got smoked by chase Rudder. I guess there is no crime for losing to those.
I refuse to get into the banter of aiming system vs muscle memory as you should do what works best for you. All of them have their merits. But when you properly learn the techniques with 90/90 as well as cte and samba, they are the nuts. But all 3 have a bit different style of play. Maybe one will work better for you than another. Invest in these brilliant minds.
Mike
