90+ degree cut shot
- Thread starter DynoDan
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Have you guys read Bob's "fine print?" The cue must be level (not elevated), so there is no significant swerve benefit from the inside.
Have fun with that,
Dave
Relax man. You take everything so seriously? You must be the life of the party.
I just set this up at home table - Diamond 9ft Pro w/4.25" holes. On 3rd shot I was 1/2" (that's one-half inch) from making it.
With big sloppy 5" holes it might have made it past the tit.
English? none. High center ball follow.
No doubt that with 10 shots I'll make this.
Will then add this to my prop shot list.
-von
With big sloppy 5" holes it might have made it past the tit.
English? none. High center ball follow.
No doubt that with 10 shots I'll make this.
Will then add this to my prop shot list.
-von
I don't know that the shot can be made with inside english and a level stroke. If a friend wanted to try it as described, I'd give them half an hour for a small wager, like dinner, and I'd spot the ball to give them as many tries as possible.
With outside english and dirty balls and a shooter who has practiced, about 20 shots is not unreasonable for the 90-degree shot diagrammed above but with the object ball one ball to the right where the angle really is 90 degrees.
Bob, so I'm really confused now. By introducing this attached diagram in your earlier post, I assumed you were saying it was indeed possible to make this shot with inside english.
So you are now saying it is NOT possible to make this 90% cut shot diagrammed with inside english, but conceivably possible with outside english? I'm more likely to agree with this premise, although I would certainly consider it to be an extremely low percentage proposition shot, even with outside english.
I was not saying that the shot in my diagram above was possible with inside english. I was proposing a shot in response to Bill's claim/video. My shot does not have the cushion as a complication and I believe it is no more an extreme cut than Bill's shot. Bill seems to feel that the shot in my diagram above is possible but that he will not attempt it for less than a $5000 bet. I think it probably can't be made.
I hope that didn't make things less clear.
Yes, I agree with you that it's quite obvious to me that with his using inside english on that shot he demonstrated in the video from 3 different positions, the cushion being there in addition to the extreme inside spin imparted on the cue ball certainly had to have some influence on him being able to successfully execute this shot.
Even if he hits the ball and cushion at exactly the same time or possibly even just barely hits the object ball before the cushion, the cue ball is contacting/feathering that object ball so razor thin that the inside spin is what allows the cue ball to brush against the edge of the object ball a second time as it rebounds off the cushion, which certainly makes the shot more feasible.
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One of my recent articles for Billiards Digest has a similar proposition shot but with the 1 ball one ball to the right and outside english is recommended.
Chris, The 3 elements Bob is banking on in this prop are, #1, that the shot can't be hit accurately hard enough to make it in the pocket. #2 he puts the shaded area with text on the diagram, (see attachment) where the, 'smallest' corner of the angle is almost nil, because he draws the, 'tangent line' to the CENTER of the side pocket, NOT the entire pocket, which would make the shaded area correct! And #3, obviously, the inside English with level cue!
Believe it or not, the most difficult element would be the speed, because of such a, THIN hit on the OB, it won't travel!
I will shoot the shot with Inside English, (35 attempts) for $5,000, with just one other caveat, the CB is placed 4" closer to the OB!
One question - are you doing it with a level cue or jacking up and swerving the cue ball?
Chris, I've NEVER tried the shot yet.
If I do,it will be with as level a cue as possible.
And you're not kicking it in by playing the cue ball off the side rail?
I wouldn't think of it!
Listen, like I said, I've have not tried the shot yet.
I'll know after trying it for about 10 minutes, if I can make it.
Lol why in the world would someone pay you $5000 to make a pool shot? There are enough people here that, if it can be made, someone will make it and put it on video and not ask to be paid for it.
If you have a camera, a video would be nice.Cake!...Use inside FTW! Use outside to get money from the ATM!
I actually cut an 8-ball in at about 110 degrees a few weeks ago...
Playing 8-ball I ran the table to the 8, but hook myself by about a quarter ball. The 8 ball was near the side pocket and about 3 inches of the rail and the cue ball was in the middle of the table.
I called a jump bank on the 8 ball, but jumped fractionally too far and landed on the back side of the 8 ball such that it cut it perfectly into the near side pocket... for a loss
Runout to a loss in one shot.
Playing 8-ball I ran the table to the 8, but hook myself by about a quarter ball. The 8 ball was near the side pocket and about 3 inches of the rail and the cue ball was in the middle of the table.
I called a jump bank on the 8 ball, but jumped fractionally too far and landed on the back side of the 8 ball such that it cut it perfectly into the near side pocket... for a loss
Runout to a loss in one shot.