9ball ruling question

Just not a good idea. Ok if playing w friends, but leagues?? The leagues I used to play in.... some of the opponents (there is a pain in the a** in every crowd) would definately call this and label you a cheat.
Some people just take it that serious. That's why there are pocket markers too. Some people are pretty serious about their league pool.

Gambling???? Definate no, no. Where I play people have guns... bad idea to give them any reason to think they got cheated... Always good idea to shake their hand and and smile after taking their $$$$'s. Let 'em think they got their moneys worth.
 
Hector3cushion said:
It's a rather bad habit. depending on where the other player is it may not be very obvious to him. Some players (especially those with some magician background) may be quick enough to stick out a finger and change the outcome.
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Yep. There are some cheaters that have it honed to a razor's sharpness. Depending on what pocket it happens on and where you (as the non-shooter) are sitting/standing, you may not even see the cueball glance ever-so-slightly off of the heel of his/her thumb (yes, women cheat too:sorry:) or the back of their hand.

I advocate to never put your hand into the pocket until all the balls have come to a complete stop. THEN put your hand into the pocket and retrieve the cueball if it fell in. What are you trying to accomplish by catching it, save a couple of SECONDS??? What's so hard about walking halfway around the table to get the cueball from the ball return anyway??? Hell, when I scratch I always retrieve the cueball for my opponent anyway. Hand it right to them.

Maniac
 
cleary said:
All I know is that if we were gambling, I would have unscrewed and taken my posted money.
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If you would have stuck your hand into the pocket while a cueball was moving towards it, I may have unscrewed my cue and taken my posted money too.

There's two ways to look at this (see my above post).

YOU may have been cheating ME. (Hypothetical, not literally you and me)

Maniac
 
tucson9ball said:
Short answer, YES it is a foul and BIH for your opponent.

First off, there is absolutely no reason to put your hand in the pocket to catch the ball, that's what the ball return is for.

In my league, I would just warn the player that it is technically a foul and let them get away with it. However, I let them know that in a National event, they would be called for a foul and their opponent would get BIH.
This rule was put in place to take away the exact argument that you brought up. You were just going to catch the cue ball but it may have rolled off and ended up not scratching. Your opponent may be seated behind you and didn't see the ball hit the rail and not scratch. How is he/she supposed to know that your hand did not touch the ball? See how this could be a problem?
Or your opponent is sitting 10ft. away and could not tell if your hand came in contact with the ball or not. It's just better to leave the cue ball alone and let it roll into the pocket.
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Another good post/explanation!!!

Maniac
 
I've had this exact same thing happen to me on a few occasions during league. I've finally got to the point that I just let the cue ball drop and let the other guy get it out to save any argument.
 
Be glad he didn't go full nit on you. I assume that your league is "cue ball is live"....

If you pulled the cue ball and 9-ball out of the pocket with one hand, he could have been way over the top and called you for them touching.

Sadly, I've heard about that being called in APA. Even I can't justify that one for them.... Just one of those goofy things you have to remind players about before you go to any official qualifying tournament.
 
It's a foul in APA and one of the first 'nit fouls' they go out of their way to warn you about. Rarely called during regular league night but almost always called in finals.
I believe they even give the opponent all the points in that rack if you do it in 9b.

It's surprisingly hard to undo years of this ingrained habit. But I don't disagree with the rule, you don't want any doubt someone pulled a move and kept it up.
 
justadub said:
Be glad he didn't go full nit on you. I assume that your league is "cue ball is live"....

If you pulled the cue ball and 9-ball out of the pocket with one hand, he could have been way over the top and called you for them touching.

Sadly, I've heard about that being called in APA. Even I can't justify that one for them.... Just one of those goofy things you have to remind players about before you go to any official qualifying tournament.
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I saw that foul called by a top player in a pro tournament about 15 years ago. The man made the 9-ball and scratched and insisted that his
opponent shoot the ball...then he called the foul because the guy held the cue-ball and 9-ball in one hand.

In a perfect world with class acts, the man who scratched would have
spotted the 9 and handed his opponent the cue-ball.

In the action days, the non-player would do all the fielding.
 
Foul in the leagues around here.

It's also a foul to pick up the cue ball without your opponent acknowledging a foul.

You could have called foul back.
 
justadub said:
If you pulled the cue ball and 9-ball out of the pocket with one hand, he could have been way over the top and called you for them touching.

Sadly, I've heard about that being called in APA. Even I can't justify that one for them....
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Yeah, that's real horse shit there. If it's OK to be holding the nine ball in the first place because you haven't actually spotted it yet, then it's irrelevant if they are touching in your hand.

So this is the kind of thing people do just to shark you right? They don't actually think it's a foul right? They're just trying to get you upset right?
 
Pre-Flag Master said:
Yeah, that's real horse shit there. If it's OK to be holding the nine ball in the first place because you haven't actually spotted it yet, then it's irrelevant if they are touching in your hand.

So this is the kind of thing people do just to shark you right? They don't actually think it's a foul right? They're just trying to get you upset right?
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Like CreeDo said, it's just part of the checklist of shit we go over before playing in a qualifying tournament. Don't touch the ball till it stops rolling, even if its a scratch. Don't put your hand in the pocket. ALWAYS ask if it's ball in hand before picking it up. I'm sure there are more, I'm too tired and a little buzzed to remember properly...
 
justadub said:
If you pulled the cue ball and 9-ball out of the pocket with one hand, he could have been way over the top and called you for them touching.

Sadly, I've heard about that being called in APA. Even I can't justify that one for them....
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Oh, I think I get it now. I thought the second part went with the first part. Apparently the second part goes with the OP's original situation.

I though you meant that you actually heard about the nine and cue ball touching in someone's hand actually being called as a foul. Then I was like, "who would go over that before a match?"

Carry on...
 
Pre-Flag Master said:
Oh, I think I get it now. I thought the second part went with the first part. Apparently the second part goes with the OP's original situation.

I though you meant that you actually heard about the nine and cue ball touching in someone's hand actually being called as a foul. Then I was like, "who would go over that before a match?"

Carry on...
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I have heard about that being called a foul. Because "the cue ball is live"...silly, but technically true. That's why it's another of those silly things we go over before bigger matches. Stuff you would never call anyone on, but could be called on you.
 
cleary said:
Last night playing in a BCA league, I thought I was about to scratch so I put my hand in the pocket to catch the ball... but the ball didn't scratch nor did I touch it. It was actually pretty obvious that I didn't touch it. I walked away and the guy comes up and takes ball in hand saying I fouled. Is just putting your hand in the pocket a foul?
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Some rules are like sh!t that attrack flies, pulls these nits out for all to see.If winning is this important for anyone to do this,their playing for the wrong reasons.A lot of people you will find out dont know what respect is.
 
justadub said:
I have heard about that being called a foul. Because "the cue ball is live"...silly, but technically true. That's why it's another of those silly things we go over before bigger matches. Stuff you would never call anyone on, but could be called on you.
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If the cue ball being "live" makes this a foul, then it would be a foul just carrying the cue ball around after the opponent's foul! Ridiculous what some people pull.
 
I am very sorry if this was covered but how about guys who pat the cloth to "encourage" the cue ball to "stop". Is that a foul?
 
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cleary said:
All I know is that if we were gambling, I would have unscrewed and taken my posted money.
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Sorry Cleary. You are in the wrong this time. What I don't understand, is you are supposed to know the rules you are playing by. Why do you get upset when you commit a foul clearly written in the rules that you didn't bother to read at some point?? Why are you mad at him for actually playing by the rules? It doesn't mean jack if that is the way you normally play, this time you were playing by different rules than you normally play by.
 
gdog said:
I am very sorry if this was covered but how about guys who pat the cloth to "encourage" the cue ball to "stop". Is that a foul?
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I believe if you pound on the table while its rolling the vibration slows the ball down and certainly should be a foul, not much different then bumping the table so a hanger falls in.
 
gdog said:
I am very sorry if this was covered but how about guys who pat the cloth to "encourage" the cue ball to "stop". Is that a foul?
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I don't know if this works and never saw anyone try it. I've seen guys tap the chalk but that strikes me as just a little bit of goofy showmanship.

There's an old accustats tape, I think bloopers 2 or something... someone blew on the cue ball to stop it, and the ref did not consider it a foul, and the blowing actually clearly stopped it. "As long as you didn't touch it..."

I'd consider any effort to alter the path of the cue ball after it leaves the tip at least a sportsmanship foul, whether it works or not.
 
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