A 3rd contender in the Gold Crown vs. Diamond debate

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Regarding the never-ending Gold Crown vs. Diamond debate, there is a 3rd candidate that never gets mentioned. At least as it relates to home use, why wouldn't the Connelly Ultimate table be worth a look? 2" thick slate! 5 bolts per rail, and a lot of different looks to choose from- I'm just wondering why it never gets thrown into the conversation?

-Mike
 
Everyone that i know that has played on them loves them myself included.....they just don't have any market share to compare.....

if they were found in more places you would hear more about them......

but the GC and Diamond OWN the market....so thats all your going to hear.
 
Gabriel tables never get any mention either. When I was living in Chicago there was a room with Gabriel tables, and they were incredibly nice.

I'm assuming they must be incredibly expensive also.
 
If the link provided is the table is question, we know why they are not a contender. Players look for a table to play on, not eat from. They are wasting an extra inch of slate on that table. I'm not a fan of leather pockets. They tend to spit balls out and cut leaving metal exposed.
 
Yes it is a furniture table.
Connelly tables get beat up real bad in a commercial environment. They just aren't on the same level as a diamond or gold crown.

I played in a place for many years that had Connelly Ultimates. They held up just find and they were a pleasure to play on except for the sometimes lack of maintenace by the owners. With the 2 inch slate they were whisper quiet. Gold Crowns are fine, but I fail to see any great advantage over Ultimates.
 
I played in a place for many years that had Connelly Ultimates. They held up just find and they were a pleasure to play on except for the sometimes lack of maintenace by the owners. With the 2 inch slate they were whisper quiet. Gold Crowns are fine, but I fail to see any great advantage over Ultimates.

In a commercial environment ANY furniture style table will not hold up. The pocket leathers wear out quickly, The constant use wears the finish off the rails. The bolts holding the pocket irons are a problem because of players putting their weight on the irons and either damaging the rails or breaking the bolts off.

Connelly as a company is still in existance.....but just barely. The owner is currently attempting to get the company back in full operation.
 
As I said in the original post, for the purposes of HOME USE, for players who want the best playing table, the Connelly Ultimate should be considered. I probably should have explained a little more what the Connelly Ultimate table is:

On the approximately 30 models in the Plateau and Pinnacle collections, which normally come with 8/4 hard wood cabinetry, 1.25" thick slate and 4 bolts per rail, you can upgrade (for a price, of course) to "The Ultimate" which is made with 16/4 cabinetry and beams, 2" thick slate and 5 bolts per rail. So if you're like me and the looks of the GC's and Diamond tables make you want to vomit, you can actually find a table that looks as good as it plays.

Of course if you are looking for commercial use, or don't like leather pockets for whatever reason there is always the Aspen, which is eligible for the Ultimate upgrade:

Aspen-final466.jpg
 
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As I said in the original post, for the purposes of HOME USE, for players who want the best playing table, the Connelly Ultimate should be considered. I probably should have explained a little more what the Connelly Ultimate table is:

On the approximately 30 models in the Plateau and Pinnacle collections, which normally come with 8/4 hard wood cabinetry, 1.25" thick slate and 4 bolts per rail, you can upgrade (for a price, of course) to "The Ultimate" which is made with 16/4 cabinetry and beams, 2" thick slate and 5 bolts per rail. So if you're like me and the looks of the GC's and Diamond tables make you want to vomit, you can actually find a table that looks as good as it plays.

Of course if you are looking for commercial use, or don't like leather pockets for whatever reason there is always the Aspen, which is eligible for the Ultimate upgrade:

Aspen-final466.jpg

??? I don't know about all that....I think the GC looks alot better than a diamond...tho i like both tables.....

that aspen model you put up looks very nice tho....i do like that table alot altho it just looks kinda like a GC without the metal on the outside the pockets
 
I think it looks like an Anniversary w/o the metal corners- those are nice looking tables, IMO. Brunswick's Gibson model is essentially that table.

Everybody has their own taste though...
 
Regarding the never-ending Gold Crown vs. Diamond debate, there is a 3rd candidate that never gets mentioned. At least as it relates to home use, why wouldn't the Connelly Ultimate table be worth a look? 2" thick slate! 5 bolts per rail, and a lot of different looks to choose from- I'm just wondering why it never gets thrown into the conversation?

-Mike

Well, a few reasons could be that the Connelly Ultimate is not considered to be a commercial table is....durability. I've seen Connelly Ultimates up in Oregon State that I thought they could use replacing because to be quit frank about it...they looked like shit, rails all beat to hell, skirts cracked/broken, finish worn off the surface of the rails...in a pool-hall environment...and only 6 years old:eek:

Further more, a commercial table should be able to be frame leveled with a wrench or something...but not by still having to stack up shims under the feet...I mean, come on...there's a whole bunch of ways of being able to adjust the frame level...without having to put shims under the feet...that's so OLD SCHOOL. It takes more than a 2" thick slate and 5 bolts per rail to build a commercial table, it takes the test of time too. GC1's are a good example of that...today 49 years later. Diamond's ProAm will still look almost new....100 years from now.....and what's that Connelly going to look like...if after only 6 years....they look like they need to be replaced? Further more, leather drop pockets IMO...have no place in the commercial market....they're OUT dated, a pain in the ass to work/repair...and cost to much to have to replace them. I mean, think about it...stapling in the pocket leather straps...or screwing in the drop pockets on a GC, or Diamond...and if you think screwing in the leather pocket strips is the answer...wait until that MDF backing on the slate falls apart...then what?....don't have to repair that on a Diamond or GC....but you will have to on a Connelly.

No...I think the commercial table market belongs to the manufactures that build...a commercial grade table;)

Glen
 
As I said in the original post, for the purposes of HOME USE, for players who want the best playing table, the Connelly Ultimate should be considered. I probably should have explained a little more what the Connelly Ultimate table is:

On the approximately 30 models in the Plateau and Pinnacle collections, which normally come with 8/4 hard wood cabinetry, 1.25" thick slate and 4 bolts per rail, you can upgrade (for a price, of course) to "The Ultimate" which is made with 16/4 cabinetry and beams, 2" thick slate and 5 bolts per rail. So if you're like me and the looks of the GC's and Diamond tables make you want to vomit, you can actually find a table that looks as good as it plays.

Of course if you are looking for commercial use, or don't like leather pockets for whatever reason there is always the Aspen, which is eligible for the Ultimate upgrade:

Aspen-final466.jpg

Just for the record, I have thrown up on both table. I love these tables, it had to do with my play!
 
As I said in the original post, for the purposes of HOME USE, for players who want the best playing table, the Connelly Ultimate should be considered. I probably should have explained a little more what the Connelly Ultimate table is:

On the approximately 30 models in the Plateau and Pinnacle collections, which normally come with 8/4 hard wood cabinetry, 1.25" thick slate and 4 bolts per rail, you can upgrade (for a price, of course) to "The Ultimate" which is made with 16/4 cabinetry and beams, 2" thick slate and 5 bolts per rail. So if you're like me and the looks of the GC's and Diamond tables make you want to vomit, you can actually find a table that looks as good as it plays.

Of course if you are looking for commercial use, or don't like leather pockets for whatever reason there is always the Aspen, which is eligible for the Ultimate upgrade:

Aspen-final466.jpg

Oddly enough, I have thrown up on both tables!
 
Well, a few reasons could be that the Connelly Ultimate is not considered to be a commercial table is....durability. I've seen Connelly Ultimates up in Oregon State that I thought they could use replacing because to be quit frank about it...they looked like shit, rails all beat to hell, skirts cracked/broken, finish worn off the surface of the rails...in a pool-hall environment...and only 6 years old:eek:

Further more, a commercial table should be able to be frame leveled with a wrench or something...but not by still having to stack up shims under the feet...I mean, come on...there's a whole bunch of ways of being able to adjust the frame level...without having to put shims under the feet...that's so OLD SCHOOL. It takes more than a 2" thick slate and 5 bolts per rail to build a commercial table, it takes the test of time too. GC1's are a good example of that...today 49 years later. Diamond's ProAm will still look almost new....100 years from now.....and what's that Connelly going to look like...if after only 6 years....they look like they need to be replaced? Further more, leather drop pockets IMO...have no place in the commercial market....they're OUT dated, a pain in the ass to work/repair...and cost to much to have to replace them. I mean, think about it...stapling in the pocket leather straps...or screwing in the drop pockets on a GC, or Diamond...and if you think screwing in the leather pocket strips is the answer...wait until that MDF backing on the slate falls apart...then what?....don't have to repair that on a Diamond or GC....but you will have to on a Connelly.

No...I think the commercial table market belongs to the manufactures that build...a commercial grade table;)

Glen

For the third time, I was talking about the HOME ENVIRONMENT.
 
For the third time, I was talking about the HOME ENVIRONMENT.

If you're talking only about the HOME ENVIRONMENT...then why would you consider the Connelly against the Diamond's and Gold Crowns as a comparison...when the home table market is FULL of home style tables, like Olhausen's for instance, I mean hell...why is Connelly financially in trouble....if they're to be considered the "third" best table on the market?
 
If you're talking only about the HOME ENVIRONMENT...then why would you consider the Connelly against the Diamond's and Gold Crowns as a comparison...when the home table market is FULL of home style tables, like Olhausen's for instance, I mean hell...why is Connelly financially in trouble....if they're to be considered the "third" best table on the market?

Because I see people post on this forum all the time- "I want a great playing table for my home, what should I get?" And the responses are always "Get a Diamond, Get a Gold Crown". My point is that if someone wants the best playing table for their home, they should look at a Connelly Ultimate. So far I've seen a few responses from people who have played on them and say they play great, and the only criticism I've heard is that they don't hold up in a commercial environment. Of course not, they're not built for that, which is why I said in my original post FOR HOME USE (man I sound like a broke record). Olhausen makes a nice table, but as far as I know they don't offer options that would make it play as well as the Ultimate. As far as why they are having financial trouble, come on- we all know that there are great companies that make great products that for whatever reason struggle, especially in a tough economy (e.g. Viking). It's not necessarilly a reflection on the product they make, it's just one of those things. But they are still around, and they make a great table that people should consider for their homes, that's all I'm saying. Not sure why it's so controversial.
 
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