A different Archer now, than in the past...
- Thread starter Russ Chewning
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Hey don't count the nit picker out I think he won the Turning Stone event not to long ago didn't he ?
Leonard
Leonard
i agree i do think it's a shame that for whatever reason johnny isn't playing the confident aggressive style of pool we used to see from him. somebody brought up sigel in the IPT - i agree there that was painful to watch. same with Earl.
and crawfish, nobody is critisising johnny or any of the players, so get off your high horse. we're just discussing the fact that one of the greatest players of all time has changed his game and his style so much that it's almost unrecognisable from about 10 years ago.
and crawfish, nobody is critisising johnny or any of the players, so get off your high horse. we're just discussing the fact that one of the greatest players of all time has changed his game and his style so much that it's almost unrecognisable from about 10 years ago.
I'm sure getting married, buying a house, having kids, and running a business have a lot to do with it. Some pro players get responsible when they have a family to support...some don't. I'm sure that has a lot to do with more time before every shot. Losing a lot of his sponsers didn't help matters either. There are a lot more good players in touraments now than in the 1980's and 1990's also. Johnnyt
worriedbeef said:
Exactly! Well put! I still love to watch Johnny's earlier matches. The ones where he is 18/19 and Grady/Billy are talking about Johnny as an "up and comer", then watching Archer just dismantle some poor guy. He was playing like a hall of famer even at that age.
His 9 ball from that era was a thing of beauty. Watching a player making it look so easy is what makes me enjoy those matches so much.
Russ
Good post, Klopek. I agree with you. Archer just turned 39, so he's just starting to come to the end of his prime. 9-ball is a young man's game. In 5-6 years Johnny will probably not be a favorite to win major 9-ball tournaments. There are exceptions, and he may be one of them, but the average pro rarely does a lot of winning after his mid forties.Klopek said:
Doc
All of the years of pressure seem to have taken a toll on Johnny. He fidgets, moves balls from one pocket to another and plays way slower than he used to. I can imagine the anxiety of supporting a family on money made from playing pool. I saw Lassiter when he was at the end of his career and life in the early 70's. He was a ball of nerves and twitches. How the hell he could make a ball is beyond me, but he actually managed to navigate his way around the table fairly well. Who, besides Mosconi, has ever made a decent living from just playing tournament pool?worriedbeef said:
Johnny,Jimmy, Kucharo,Cj whoever
There is not enough money hustling pool anywhere, anytime to make a living. What desire is there for Johnny Archer to play. Pool is tournements the incentive is gone! He's a smart guy for looking out for his future and becoming a bussiness man. He will be a great draw. Teaching talking promoting the bussiness. Exactly the same thing Jimmy Wetch had to do when your that good nobody will play ya. Contact your jcin actionreport.com Johnny has matured, gotten smarter. I will repeat what the other stated. I know for a fact Johnny,Jimmy, Cj, or Nick Varner will all spot the world the orange crush and you have no chance. Even 10-1 odds, you'll never win. Mark
(just a photo from my wallet)
There is not enough money hustling pool anywhere, anytime to make a living. What desire is there for Johnny Archer to play. Pool is tournements the incentive is gone! He's a smart guy for looking out for his future and becoming a bussiness man. He will be a great draw. Teaching talking promoting the bussiness. Exactly the same thing Jimmy Wetch had to do when your that good nobody will play ya. Contact your jcin actionreport.com Johnny has matured, gotten smarter. I will repeat what the other stated. I know for a fact Johnny,Jimmy, Cj, or Nick Varner will all spot the world the orange crush and you have no chance. Even 10-1 odds, you'll never win. Mark
(just a photo from my wallet)
what's accu stats? where can I download it?
HollyWood said:
Hollywood,
While I don't often have an issue with avatars, I think yours crosses the line. Please change it, as some people access AZ from work.
Russ
Jimk said:
They found Luther dead next to his pool table at home where he had been playing. In his case probably not a bad way to go. As far as Mosconi, from what I hear he played exhibitions for Brunswick to make ends meet, the tournaments didn't bring in enough money. I think he would have preferred to retire long before he did.
When I hear about some of the giants of the game ending up with little money in their old age I'm glad I didn't play enough pool as a kid to get good enough to try to make a living at it. At least I have a decent retirement check coming in.
Hollywood, I tend to agree that your avatar crosses the line. Many children will occasionally notice what their parents are doing on the web, and most parents will agree that is totally inappropriate.
Isn't there a moderator to deal with this?
Danny
Isn't there a moderator to deal with this?
Danny
PoolBum said:50-70 years old...is that the 3-ball or the 7-ball?
Boy...you hit the nail on the head. I am almost 60 now, and I have a real problem with long, thin cuts. No confidence in them because I can't clearly see the edges of the balls. I can still play halfway decent pool, but the type of game is different. Used to be run-out, now many more safes and dual purpose shots.
As for Johnny Archer, I also really liked the old Johnny...and I still like the current Johnny, but he is SO deliberate now. Seems like everything on the table bothers him...a hair on the ball, fuzz on the table, and he studies each shot for so long. But he is still one of the greatest. I watched him at the Glass City Open in 02 or 03, and he ran a quick 6 pack on his opponent and was devastating...it is still there, just not on demand like it used to be.
Joe
gopi-1 said:
I see what you're saying about Efren seeming a bit off recently in tournaments. I think it's because he's got a whole country riding on his shoulders alot of the time. In light of his performance at the WPC, I heard that he gambled with all the other top Filipino players during the WPC and beat most, if not all of them.
He might be slightly off his game in tournaments in the last few months, but playing for money he seems to be his same old self.