a dream come true

[bfdlad]

You can get lazy after a few racks in pool. Like it or not sometimes you figure out the ease of the pocket and know you can cheat in to get shap on the next ball. It is VERY hard to cheat the pockets on a snooker table. And given the distance where you may be off the shot by 1/8 ins and still make the shhot on a 9ft you are off 1/4 ins on a snoker table obviously depending on how long the shot is. IMO

Sorry for thr bad spelling I was in a rush.

 

[Terry Ardeno]

Just to make sure Terry, It was not me who called Markus a BS'r, I really just wanted to know who he was. That quote came from earlier in the thread. Markus is a jam up player for sure and the point I was trying to make was that although the top snooker players could give a guy like JS weight (only in snooker) I know they would not have a chance giving him that much weight. I spent a few years in England giving guys weight playing snooker and I think I am a pretty good judge of what you can get away with. Pool players can hit the ball straight and that is the most important part in snooker too.

I know it wasn't you, I was just posting the link since you wanted some info on him. And I vouched for him on that same post just so I didn't have to start a seperate post.

I've said before that the only thing I know about 3 cushion is it is played on 4 cushions (although I do know a little about the great 3 cushion champions) and the only thing I know about snooker is it's played on a real long & skinny table with more balls than I can count and it was what made Allison Fisher the killer she is. That's my standard quote on those two games.
As for all the technical stuff in this thread regarding snooker, I don't have a clue. It is interesting to read though.

 

[Scaramouche]

It's a good point what you say here, but first, in Snooker, you have to learn to control the cue ball within a half inch accuracy, to be able to use that small area. If you're out of line, you cannot not go similarly 'around the world', like you can in Pool.


I will quit now talking about this issue and trying to convince a log.

Fly to England, find out an official WC Snooker table, and you know what I'm talking about.


Ps. One more thing: In Snooker the cb is much smaller and the margin for error is ENORMOUSLY smaller also. But I think somebody already said that in previous topic(s) about this issue for couple or maybe couple of hundred times..

FWIW

Willie Thorne Comments On His Big Break - 147
http://youtube.com/watch?v=Ircz2oF1I4g

 

[bud green]

O'sullivan ran a century when he was ten and there's supposedly a 13 year old in Europe that has run 147's in practice. While I realize that US pros would get killed over there in tourneys, almost every single nine ball pro could run over a 100 on a official snooker table if they tried, IMO.

 

[Marvel]

Just calling a spade a spade. He referred to me in his post before as a log. Referring to him as a BS'er is dead accurate, at least as to what he is posting in this thread.

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Hu

Hu, I'm really sorry about "the log -thing". Believe me, I wasn't referring to you. After posting it, I was wishing you wouldn't take it like you did, but I really was referring to the posts and topics which have been here earlier considering this issue. I didn't get involved then, as I thought it's useless to try to convince a log - as that's how it seemed then. I was late with my reply - sorry.


I have to, especially now after Raybo gives his more experienced opinion, also apologize my style where it seems that I have over exaggerated stuff here. I'm still bit doubtful if the conditions has been EXACTLY as difficult as they are in WC (the owner of the table might always want to think like that ), but anyway, you may be right. I wouldn't be surprised if JS would lose to inform O'Sullivan or inform John Higgins 30 - 0 to 30 - 2, but you are right, it is most likely too much weight this 30 - 27, I don't know.
This +50 against Quinten in his prime - well I don't know about that either. When I have played the top AMATEUR snooker players in my country (many many years ago), I got +50 and we were quite even. I would think that the diffence with those snooker players compared to top 16 OF THE WORLD snooker player, is much much bigger than mine and JS's differ would be in Snooker.
Heck, I know that the only Professional Snooker player from my country was giving +25 for the best amateur here, and that amateur used to give me +50 earlier. That Pro has been ranked 32 in the world at his best, and there's some gap still to Quintens top 16 - and from Quinten there's still long way to O'Sullivan or John Higgins.
And, I can check quite easily quite soon, how much Tony Drago gave weight to Cory Deuel. I think it was quite much, but not enough, as Cory's arse got whooped quite badly. Tony is ranked 69th in the world at the moment. Quinten in his prime was top 16 player, AND, Cory is a bit better player than JS is, and I know Cory has played some Snooker before..

Anyway, my statements were pretty bold and I should have thought them twice.
Mostly I was trying to explain the difference with the tight and loose snooker table, which is more radical than tight and loose Pool table.

And still to Hu (and Fatboy), I have played lots of 15ball Rotation with the best players in the World (i.e. Ronnie Alcano - who might be THE best), and I can tell you that even this cannot be proven and this is just an opinion, you are very wrong in here.
I should have taken part in this issue when there was this JS vs. Quinten topic, but the mere fact is; for a top snooker player to become one of the top pool player, it needs some extra talent, desire and ability to adjust yourself. For a top pool player to become a top snooker player ..... impossible.
I'm not saying top snooker player would dominate or anything like that. They wouldn't be as good as Shane or Yang is, but they really would stir the pot and mix the ranking inside top 100, even top 30 - like Quinten said earlier.
If top pool players would (try) to adjust them selves to snooker, they wouldn't reach even near top 100.
Just imagine that Helena just beat Archer 11-5, and Helena is not even close Allison. And, yes, they are ladies, think about the men..


By the way Raybo, your not the guy with whom I played twice in the IPT?

 

[ccshrimper]

I agree with some of what you are saying Marvel but I think it comes down to fundamentals. 9-ball players have to stroke the balls in and would probably need to change their stroke dramatically to be a snooker player, it would almost be like starting over for most of them. Snooker players don't need to change that much to be effective at 9-ball. I don't think it has anything to do with skill level or talent of the players, just the ease of adjustment from one game to another.

 

[pooltableproCP]

Way to go Fatboy!

Nice to see you pull the trigger on the Riley! You have been talking about the 12' for a little while now. Should be a nice break from your boring 9' Centennial! I'll bring a set of smaller rotation balls and we can play some 1p on your 12 footer!!!


Chris

 

[ShootingArts]

time to ease off myself

Marvel,

Time for me to ease off myself. A good friend said you are a good guy and that is good enough for me. However you are making a lot of assumptions about this side of the water that aren't true. There are tough tables here. There were some overhead photographs of some table pockets of the championship tables, I believe on these forums awhile back. The golf tables often have much tougher pockets and of course we play snooker on those same tables. I haven't been to the Philippines but a friend from there tells me he learned on the same pocket type I learned on. They do make the WC pockets seem large. It isn't the width so much as the shallower shelves on the championship tables.

As I mentioned, the real issue on the antiques I played on was that the cut outs in the slate were far smaller radius than on a championship table and deeper into the rail. I watched Allison in an old video earlier this evening running a nice century on an English table:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=FPoXBgG2bjI

The shot she makes down the rail at the speed she shot the last red(9:30 into the video) tells the story. No side, no magic, no way was that shot remotely possible on the tables I played.

I have to disagree about your comment concerning Corey and John Schmidt too. Not as to who is the better player, that can be argued endlessly, but as to who would play the better snooker. As far as I know John plays many times more 14.1 than Corey and John has a 14.1 mindset which is much closer to snooker.

I feel safe saying that were John and Corey to focus on snooker for an equal amount of time each, say six months, John would be the stronger snooker player. John tends to be more patient and methodical and plans ahead well. Corey is more aggressive and sometimes seems impulsive, often to his own harm. Both great players but the personalities and skill sets are quite a bit different. Fast games and short races it can go either way but if anything Corey has a slight edge. A tough mental game like picking apart a snooker rack, I prefer John.

I wish someone would put a nice snooker table in my area. Golf style or English style table, I do love the game. A little like chess or one-pocket, it requires more thought than eight or nine ball. Funny in a way, we are opposites. I started with pool and shifted to snooker for pleasure although I still played pool for the dollars, seems that you did the reverse.

Hu

Hu, I'm really sorry about "the log -thing". Believe me, I wasn't referring to you. After posting it, I was wishing you wouldn't take it like you did, but I really was referring to the posts and topics which have been here earlier considering this issue. I didn't get involved then, as I thought it's useless to try to convince a log - as that's how it seemed then. I was late with my reply - sorry.


I have to, especially now after Raybo gives his more experienced opinion, also apologize my style where it seems that I have over exaggerated stuff here. I'm still bit doubtful if the conditions has been EXACTLY as difficult as they are in WC (the owner of the table might always want to think like that ), but anyway, you may be right. I wouldn't be surprised if JS would lose to inform O'Sullivan or inform John Higgins 30 - 0 to 30 - 2, but you are right, it is most likely too much weight this 30 - 27, I don't know.
This +50 against Quinten in his prime - well I don't know about that either. When I have played the top AMATEUR snooker players in my country (many many years ago), I got +50 and we were quite even. I would think that the diffence with those snooker players compared to top 16 OF THE WORLD snooker player, is much much bigger than mine and JS's differ would be in Snooker.
Heck, I know that the only Professional Snooker player from my country was giving +25 for the best amateur here, and that amateur used to give me +50 earlier. That Pro has been ranked 32 in the world at his best, and there's some gap still to Quintens top 16 - and from Quinten there's still long way to O'Sullivan or John Higgins.
And, I can check quite easily quite soon, how much Tony Drago gave weight to Cory Deuel. I think it was quite much, but not enough, as Cory's arse got whooped quite badly. Tony is ranked 69th in the world at the moment. Quinten in his prime was top 16 player, AND, Cory is a bit better player than JS is, and I know Cory has played some Snooker before..

Anyway, my statements were pretty bold and I should have thought them twice.
Mostly I was trying to explain the difference with the tight and loose snooker table, which is more radical than tight and loose Pool table.

And still to Hu (and Fatboy), I have played lots of 15ball Rotation with the best players in the World (i.e. Ronnie Alcano - who might be THE best), and I can tell you that even this cannot be proven and this is just an opinion, you are very wrong in here.
I should have taken part in this issue when there was this JS vs. Quinten topic, but the mere fact is; for a top snooker player to become one of the top pool player, it needs some extra talent, desire and ability to adjust yourself. For a top pool player to become a top snooker player ..... impossible.
I'm not saying top snooker player would dominate or anything like that. They wouldn't be as good as Shane or Yang is, but they really would stir the pot and mix the ranking inside top 100, even top 30 - like Quinten said earlier.
If top pool players would (try) to adjust them selves to snooker, they wouldn't reach even near top 100.
Just imagine that Helena just beat Archer 11-5, and Helena is not even close Allison. And, yes, they are ladies, think about the men..


By the way Raybo, your not the guy with whom I played twice in the IPT?

 

[raybo147]

Hu, I'm really sorry about "the log -thing". Believe me, I wasn't referring to you. After posting it, I was wishing you wouldn't take it like you did, but I really was referring to the posts and topics which have been here earlier considering this issue. I didn't get involved then, as I thought it's useless to try to convince a log - as that's how it seemed then. I was late with my reply - sorry.


I have to, especially now after Raybo gives his more experienced opinion, also apologize my style where it seems that I have over exaggerated stuff here. I'm still bit doubtful if the conditions has been EXACTLY as difficult as they are in WC (the owner of the table might always want to think like that ), but anyway, you may be right. I wouldn't be surprised if JS would lose to inform O'Sullivan or inform John Higgins 30 - 0 to 30 - 2, but you are right, it is most likely too much weight this 30 - 27, I don't know.
This +50 against Quinten in his prime - well I don't know about that either. When I have played the top AMATEUR snooker players in my country (many many years ago), I got +50 and we were quite even. I would think that the diffence with those snooker players compared to top 16 OF THE WORLD snooker player, is much much bigger than mine and JS's differ would be in Snooker.
Heck, I know that the only Professional Snooker player from my country was giving +25 for the best amateur here, and that amateur used to give me +50 earlier. That Pro has been ranked 32 in the world at his best, and there's some gap still to Quintens top 16 - and from Quinten there's still long way to O'Sullivan or John Higgins.
And, I can check quite easily quite soon, how much Tony Drago gave weight to Cory Deuel. I think it was quite much, but not enough, as Cory's arse got whooped quite badly. Tony is ranked 69th in the world at the moment. Quinten in his prime was top 16 player, AND, Cory is a bit better player than JS is, and I know Cory has played some Snooker before..

Anyway, my statements were pretty bold and I should have thought them twice.
Mostly I was trying to explain the difference with the tight and loose snooker table, which is more radical than tight and loose Pool table.

And still to Hu (and Fatboy), I have played lots of 15ball Rotation with the best players in the World (i.e. Ronnie Alcano - who might be THE best), and I can tell you that even this cannot be proven and this is just an opinion, you are very wrong in here.
I should have taken part in this issue when there was this JS vs. Quinten topic, but the mere fact is; for a top snooker player to become one of the top pool player, it needs some extra talent, desire and ability to adjust yourself. For a top pool player to become a top snooker player ..... impossible.
I'm not saying top snooker player would dominate or anything like that. They wouldn't be as good as Shane or Yang is, but they really would stir the pot and mix the ranking inside top 100, even top 30 - like Quinten said earlier.
If top pool players would (try) to adjust them selves to snooker, they wouldn't reach even near top 100.
Just imagine that Helena just beat Archer 11-5, and Helena is not even close Allison. And, yes, they are ladies, think about the men..


By the way Raybo, your not the guy with whom I played twice in the IPT?

Hey Marvel, it is cool that you are on here and best of luck to you in the future. You are throwing out your opinions just like the rest of us so you sure do not have to apologize about anything. When I lived in England, I played about 6-10 hours everyday and when I gambled I had to give crazy weight 90% of the time. What we had to do to win was either bait break the balls or play bait safety shots. When we broke the balls, we would aim to leave the white about level with the baulk colors to bait our opponent into taking on the pot. Usually we would be giving 50 or 60 point starts so we needed to hit a break to win the game, so if there was a safety battle to start the game the colors could get tied up and it would be difficult to kill the game in one visit. If our opponent had a go right away they would either miss and let us in or they would make the shot and score 20 or 30 and then let us in to hit the 70 or 80 we needed to take the game. That is my snooker gambler's tip for today and it is something I have done thousands of times and my opponents just thought I messed up the safety and left it 2 feet short. I am guessing you were talking about Robin in your post and I know that he uses this trick too. I was thinking about giving JS a 50 point start and leaving the white hanging out there for him and I didn't like the idea because I think JS is better than the guys I used to do this too. I do not think any pro could play this way against JS, he is just too straight of a shot and I think he would be hitting 40's and 50's which would make him tough to beat. I have never met you Markus and unless the IPT was before 1992 I did not play in it since that is when I quit. Again I am happy to see you posting on here as guys like you only make AZB that much better.