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[Marvel]

Marv,
Actually, I wasn't clear on this point. The 12 foot tables I am familiar with are evidently at Championship specification (owned by Brit transplants who are fanatical about their game and tell me their tables are the standard). I was just observing that I thought the pocket size was fair; and that our local 10 foot table must actually have tougher pockets than the World Championship standard.

If you have some measurement data, I can always measure the pockets the next time I invite myself over to play (to make sure they aren't blowing smoke).

But then again, I am no expert...this is just what I've been told.

Will,
It's difficult to say anything from here as I'd also need to see those tables they have. Anyway, it sounds to me that they are 'real' snooker tables, 12 foot and staff, imported from GB, but the pockets must be 'standard' club pockets.
I don't have time now to find those measurements, but I can assure you if you put the cb frozen in the middle of the cushion, you will have very hard time to get it in if it's the WC pockets.
Maybe chamillionaire can enlighten us with those specific measurements and facts with his humble style

 

[worriedbeef]

john didn't say running a 70 in straight pool was the same as running a century in snooker at all. Quinten is just stirring there. And he also said he would'nt fancy himself at all in a match with a snooker player either. i think he was just merely saying he can play a bit.

 

[ShootingArts]

Many US tables are tougher

Speaking of false ideas! Most of a snooker game is played on effectively a six foot table and when the reds are gone the game often becomes the same "drill" that the player has shot dozens if not hundreds of times before.

Allison Fisher often said that the hardest thing for her when she converted from snooker to nine ball was getting used to the longer shots.

Hu

Well I know much of both, and what I can tell you is that general american opinion about what kind of game Snooker is, is far from the woods.

Maybe Fatboy, if this table what he gets is really gonna be EXACTLY the same as the official tournament table is, can invite you and others try it.
My bet is, that if John would gamble in those conditionings against a top Snooker pro, the top pro could give John 27 games on the wire race to 30. I'd guess the score would be 30-27 in the end, but you never know, so that's why the spot is 27, not 29.
I don't know Quinten's speed nowadays, but in his prime I'm sure he could have spotted John +50 points per game in Snooker.
If John would practice for two weeks in those conditions, he might run couple of centuries, but most likely only if he'd spread the balls in a way it would make the game easy. When there's an opponent playing good safeties, he'd have to open the rack with his own inning, and that's a different story then.
I doubt, even when practicing alone, for two weeks, John could make a total clearance in that table in Snooker.

Sorry if someone gets offended, but you'll understand what I'm talking about after you play couple of frames with those tables..

 

[jrhendy]

i wired the $$ to Riley today for a 12' snooker table, I went the whole way and ordered the TV table not the practice table. It will be here sooner than I expected, but I'm not ready for the fitters to come install it and since the climate is dry in Vegas its a good idea to let the table acclimate to the conditions, i'm going to have them come over and install the table after the World Championships, probably in May. The weather is nice in Vegas then, i'll be ready, the table will be acclimated to the climate. man I cant wait, I have had a 9' table in my houses i have lived in most of the time since 89 and considered myself lucky. I never thought I would get a snooker table and now its gonna happen, as much as I dont like Vegas this will keep me there more, for sure. I'm beyond excited.

I didnt know about snooker until I was 18, and the first time I saw a big table I knew that was for me, I dreamed of going to the UK to play but couldnt afford to go, I awalys considered myself a snooker player at heart, but these days there are few snooker tables left here and the ones that are are golf tables(I dont like golf). This is gonna be great, I made sure everything is perfect, the table, fitters, lights, room, furnature etc will be perfect and stay perfect. Someday I hope to have a break of 80, 53 or 56 is my best and that was years ago-i'm a better player now. I have watched alot of snooker and I firmly believe i can get to 80 someday, a century might be too hard for me, but i'm gonna give it my best effort. no matter what its gonna be fun, regular pool is fun for action but dosent hold my attention like snooker, i can just play snooker for fun and have more fun. for me its 2 different worlds.

I played some on the 6 x 12 in the pool room in Las Vegas a few years ago and it wasn't much of a table. They have Riley's at California Billiards in Mountain View but they put Simonis on them to play golf on. They may have one with the English style cloth. I have played a lot on 6 x 12's but not with all the red balls. We always used three. Would love to play on it if we ever cross paths in Las Vegas. John

 

[Fast Lenny]

I played some on the 6 x 12 in the pool room in Las Vegas a few years ago and it wasn't much of a table. They have Riley's at California Billiards in Mountain View but they put Simonis on them to play golf on. They may have one with the English style cloth. I have played a lot on 6 x 12's but not with all the red balls. We always used three. Would love to play on it if we ever cross paths in Las Vegas. John

Have you ever been out to NY John,Newburgh area?

 

[Marvel]

It might take too much time to find good enough examples, but I found this clip with "10 Shots".

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8oZ0freyR2E

You can see how ridiculously easy they would be in Pool, actually all of them are hangers in pool, but in Snooker you get into Top ten of the World Championships when you pot those.
And those guys practice seriously 50+ hours a week with coaches and managers.
For example 2, 4, 6 and 10, looks funny, because the difficulty has not been realized by those who never played with those tables. This shot number 2 is actually a very big surprise Selby even went for it (for me it was surprise it was even possible), but he seems to be aggressive player. Notice the audience getting wild after it, and it's just a basic shot in Pool, even with tight tables.

At the shot 9, you can see from where the black ball lands, how tight those pockets are. And the shot 10, in Pool, would be one of the easiest and most basic shots in for example when building a run in Straight Pool.


And don't get me wrong. I'm a pro Pool player myself, I love Pool and I have dedicated my self for it completely. I don't care much of Snooker at all. I play it maybe once in two years, even in my home Club there's three nice tables, one of them nearly WC standard Riley with heating system, steel block cushions and everything.
It's just silly to me see how ignorant but yet 'sure to be right' some people here are. It's like some englishman would start to write here about Pool after played twice with a 6 footer bar box which had 5,25 inch pockets and ran out a three pack.

 

[Marvel]

Speaking of false ideas! Most of a snooker game is played on effectively a six foot table and when the reds are gone the game often becomes the same "drill" that the player has shot dozens if not hundreds of times before.

Allison Fisher often said that the hardest thing for her when she converted from snooker to nine ball was getting used to the longer shots.

Hu

It's a good point what you say here, but first, in Snooker, you have to learn to control the cue ball within a half inch accuracy, to be able to use that small area. If you're out of line, you cannot not go similarly 'around the world', like you can in Pool.


I will quit now talking about this issue and trying to convince a log.

Fly to England, find out an official WC Snooker table, and you know what I'm talking about.


Ps. One more thing: In Snooker the cb is much smaller and the margin for error is ENORMOUSLY smaller also. But I think somebody already said that in previous topic(s) about this issue for couple or maybe couple of hundred times..

 

[ShootingArts]

time spent on a snooker table

I have put in thousands of hours on snooker tables with far smaller cut outs in the slate than the championship model. That creates deeper shelves and a far tougher table. You aren't talking to someone who hasn't played the game. You are vastly exaggerating the difficulty of the game even on the tables I played on. The table I played on last year with WC cut pockets was a disappointment due to the ease of play compared to the old monsters I loved. Balls fell far more readily. As for shape, snooker shape is just like every other cue sport. Sometimes you need pinpoint accuracy, sometimes you don't.

Like all BS'ers on these forums, you were bound to find someone that knew better and would speak out.

Hu

It's a good point what you say here, but first, in Snooker, you have to learn to control the cue ball within a half inch accuracy, to be able to use that small area. If you're out of line, you cannot not go similarly 'around the world', like you can in Pool.


I will quit now talking about this issue and trying to convince a log.

Fly to England, find out an official WC Snooker table, and you know what I'm talking about.


Ps. One more thing: In Snooker the cb is much smaller and the margin for error is ENORMOUSLY smaller also. But I think somebody already said that in previous topic(s) about this issue for couple or maybe couple of hundred times..

 

[Flettir]

i wired the $$ to Riley today for a 12' snooker table, I went the whole way and ordered the TV table not the practice table. It will be here sooner than I expected, but I'm not ready for the fitters to come install it and since the climate is dry in Vegas its a good idea to let the table acclimate to the conditions, i'm going to have them come over and install the table after the World Championships, probably in May. The weather is nice in Vegas then, i'll be ready, the table will be acclimated to the climate. man I cant wait.

Hopefully you have it done before the BCA Nationals in May. If so, I would love to come over and knock a few around with you. I don't gamble but I do enjoy playing. In both APA and BCA 8 ball I am a strong 6 so there is no worry of me beating on a pro but I do enjoy a good game of snooker.

 

[Fatboy]

Flip you for it?

Tails, lets race to 11 on flipping, and winner has to win by 2. Lets go...

 

[Fatboy]

When do you get the 3 cushion table?

i might next year , ihave some other things going on in the area of the home I would put it, i would have to have a coach, i cant see the shots to well, i played it with a coach in Sacramento and loved it, I actually had the electrication stub-off the power under the table for the heater in case I do get one


i'm not sure the cloth's brand, it said on the invoice,

I have got to know John S. over the past month and he is a cool guy and yeah if he is in Vegas we'll probably play its up to him.

when its in in May i'll have pics of it, that cant come quick enough.

 

[raybo147]

Well I know much of both, and what I can tell you is that general american opinion about what kind of game Snooker is, is far from the woods.

Maybe Fatboy, if this table what he gets is really gonna be EXACTLY the same as the official tournament table is, can invite you and others try it.
My bet is, that if John would gamble in those conditionings against a top Snooker pro, the top pro could give John 27 games on the wire race to 30. I'd guess the score would be 30-27 in the end, but you never know, so that's why the spot is 27, not 29.
I don't know Quinten's speed nowadays, but in his prime I'm sure he could have spotted John +50 points per game in Snooker.
If John would practice for two weeks in those conditions, he might run couple of centuries, but most likely only if he'd spread the balls in a way it would make the game easy. When there's an opponent playing good safeties, he'd have to open the rack with his own inning, and that's a different story then.
I doubt, even when practicing alone, for two weeks, John could make a total clearance in that table in Snooker.

Sorry if someone gets offended, but you'll understand what I'm talking about after you play couple of frames with those tables..

OK I do not want to be the guy who only responds to threads that have snooker in them, but Marvel I think you are a little off. I would not like anybody's chances giving JS 27 games in a race to 30 nor do I think anybody could give him a 50 point start. If you think pro players just hit 100's all day then you have never played the game. JS hits the ball straight and he would have the ability to score in snooker. I played Mika a snooker exhibition once and though I beat him (I used to play snooker for as living) he did hit a century in the match. I have had wins over Williams, O'Sullivan, Higgins and many other top snooker players and even in my prime there is no way I could have given the kind of weight you are talking about. Snooker has less margin for error but the players are not THAT much better.

 

[predator]

Like all BS'ers on these forums, you were bound to find someone that knew better and would speak out.

Calling Marvel who is a world class player with a Eurotour title BS'er is not very nice to say the least. The guy has pool credentials most of us can only dream about. Besides, he was only pointing out that many players not exposed to true english snooker know very little about it. Could he be wrong? I seriously doubt it.

 

[raybo147]

Calling Marvel who is a world class player with a Eurotour title BS'er is not very nice to say the least. The guy has pool credentials most of us can only dream about. Besides, he was only pointing out that many players not exposed to true english snooker know very little about it. Could he be wrong? I seriously doubt it.

Who is he?

 

[Terry Ardeno]

Who is he?

Raybo,
Here's a link with not a lot of info on it, but you'll get the basics if you also dig thru the tournament results....
http://www.internationalpooltour.com/Players/Bio_Juva_Markus.aspx

I want to go on record publically here and say that I vouch for Marvel 100% as not only a good man who is is model of good behavior, but also one of my brothers in pooldom, who loves our great sport as much as any of us. We have written back and forth in posts and in PM's and everyone of them has been an enjoyable and enlightening time. He loves learning about the great players and our sport's history.
I consider him my friend.

 

[ShootingArts]

calling a spade a spade

Calling Marvel who is a world class player with a Eurotour title BS'er is not very nice to say the least. The guy has pool credentials most of us can only dream about. Besides, he was only pointing out that many players not exposed to true english snooker know very little about it. Could he be wrong? I seriously doubt it.

Just calling a spade a spade. He referred to me in his post before as a log. Referring to him as a BS'er is dead accurate, at least as to what he is posting in this thread. I have played on six, seven, eight, eight.five, nine, and ten foot pool tables, nine, ten, and twelve foot snooker tables. Fast cloth and slow. With that experience I can say that even if he were the best in the world that wouldn't change the fact his posts in this thread are gross exaggerations.

Take his claim of needing half inch shape to thread the congestion at the beginning of the game. He conveniently ignores that you start off with fifteen options of legal balls to shoot. Shooting at the numbered ball you of course want the seven. However if you hang yourself a little it is perfectly acceptable to shoot the six, five, or any other numbered ball on the table and continue your run.

I loved snooker and would still rather have a snooker table than a pool table. However I am not blind to the fact that most people first trying the game after playing pool awhile grossly overestimate the difficulty because it does take a different style of shooting. However, once a person learns what the pockets accept and what they don't, snooker is a little more difficult than pool, not vastly so. As a matter of fact, I'd say fifteen ball rotation on a moderately tight pool table is a tougher game than snooker.

Hu

 

[JCIN]

When we re-build Betmore's Basement in a year or two; it will have the 9foot GCIV and a 12 foot snooker table

Does that mean you will have 2 pits?

 

[raybo147]

Raybo,
Here's a link with not a lot of info on it, but you'll get the basics if you also dig thru the tournament results....
http://www.internationalpooltour.com/Players/Bio_Juva_Markus.aspx

I want to go on record publically here and say that I vouch for Marvel 100% as not only a good man who is is model of good behavior, but also one of my brothers in pooldom, who loves our great sport as much as any of us. We have written back and forth in posts and in PM's and everyone of them has been an enjoyable and enlightening time. He loves learning about the great players and our sport's history.
I consider him my friend.

Just to make sure Terry, It was not me who called Markus a BS'r, I really just wanted to know who he was. That quote came from earlier in the thread. Markus is a jam up player for sure and the point I was trying to make was that although the top snooker players could give a guy like JS weight (only in snooker) I know they would not have a chance giving him that much weight. I spent a few years in England giving guys weight playing snooker and I think I am a pretty good judge of what you can get away with. Pool players can hit the ball straight and that is the most important part in snooker too.

 

[Fatboy]

I'd say fifteen ball rotation on a moderately tight pool table is a tougher game than snooker.

Hu

I would agree with that.

 

[bfdlad]

Just to make sure Terry, It was not me who called Markus a BS'r, I really just wanted to know who he was. That quote came from earlier in the thread. Markus is a jam up player for sure and the point I was trying to make was that although the top snooker players could give a guy like JS weight (only in snooker) I know they would not have a chance giving him that much weight. I spent a few years in England giving guys weight playing snooker and I think I am a pretty good judge of what you can get away with. Pool players can hit the ball straight and that is the most important part in snooker too.

You can get lazy after a few racks in pool. Like it or not sometimes you figure out the ease of the pocket and know you can cheat in to get shap on the next ball. It is VERY hard to cheat the pockets on a snooker table. And given the distance where you may be off the shot by 1/8 ins and still make the shhot on a 9ft you are off 1/4 ins on a snoker table obviously depending on how long the shot is. IMO