A Hard Bank To Learn.

mnorwood

mnorwood

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First of all I think everyone should own a copy of banking with the beard. It is truly one of the best pool books that I have. I lifted this shot out of Freddie's book. This is a bank that eddie taylor was known for. I mispelled his name on the title... sorry...

It appears easy at face value, but look where the cue ball ends up and you will see why its a special shot.

Support Freddie! Buy his book!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OtSaE0c2c5I
 
mnorwood said:
First of all I think everyone should own a copy of banking with the beard. It is truly one of the best pool books that I have. I lifted this shot out of Freddie's book. This is a bank that eddie taylor was known for. I mispelled his name on the title... sorry...

It appears easy at face value, but look where the cue ball ends up and you will see why its a special shot.

Support Freddie! Buy his book!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OtSaE0c2c5I
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That bank was a "hanger" for Eddie Taylor! He might make it ten out of ten times. Just ask Fred.
 
mnorwood said:
... It appears easy at face value, but look where the cue ball ends up and you will see why its a special shot....
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The angle on the video doesn't let us see how hard the bank is. Here is the shot as a proposition bet as a long bank. On the long rail, put the object ball one ball off the long cushion one diamond from the head rail. Put a blocker ball frozen to that same long rail at the head string. Place the cue ball by the blocker ball -- you pick the exact spot. Bank the object ball the long way back along the long rail to the foot corner. The cue ball has to be between the object ball and the cushion when the object ball passes.

This shot was given by Willie Jopling in his column in Billiards Digest.
 
Have to reiterate how great Freddie's book is. I've watched many one-pocket tapes, but haven't acquired as much technical knowledge about banks compared to Banking With The Beard.

Once you understand a lot of the physics behind banking, you add so much to your arsenal. Im' not a strong banker by any means, but his book definitely made me a better one.
 
Bob Jewett said:
The angle on the video doesn't let us see how hard the bank is. Here is the shot as a proposition bet as a long bank. On the long rail, put the object ball one ball off the long cushion one diamond from the head rail. Put a blocker ball frozen to that same long rail at the head string. Place the cue ball by the blocker ball -- you pick the exact spot. Bank the object ball the long way back along the long rail to the foot corner. The cue ball has to be between the object ball and the cushion when the object ball passes.

This shot was given by Willie Jopling in his column in Billiards Digest.
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Can you give us a cuetable diagram, Bob? I can't get on youtube from this military network..

If I am reading it correctly, it sounds like a shot where you use a "dead cueball" stroke coming across the face of the OB, but cutting it outwards, with right spin on the cue ball.

I love using a dead cueball on those one pocket banks. I used to practice them for hours..

Russ
 
I totally agree that Banking with the Beard is a great book. If you can play above B player speed, there are so pool instructional books that are near dead stiffs when it comes to actually teaching you anything that would even justify their price 1x.

Freddies book is the exact opposite. Its a pool book that WILL improve your banking ability, no question. I have used the "side step" bank shot from this book so many times its a joke. For those who dont have the book, its an inside english to shorten up the banking angle shot that the way Freddie diagrams it out, its not that hard to execute. More than a few 50/100 1P games have been won for me with the shot. And just like Freddie points out, that shot works best hit with some speed, which makes it so much easier to execute under pressure.

I wish I had been able to see Eddie Taylor play. At least I will be able to tell my grandkids I saw Efren in his heyday.
 
uwate said:
More than a few 50/100 1P games have been won for me with the shot. And just like Freddie points out, that shot works best hit with some speed, which makes it so much easier to execute under pressure.
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Welcome to the V Cash brotherhood of losers. I got yanged, myself.

I see that you play one pocket pretty sporty. REAL NICE, outing yourself.
Can't wait to get some of that heavy weight from you, my man. How did you make out in the recent 9 ball tournament in FL?
JoeyA
 
mnorwood said:
First of all I think everyone should own a copy of banking with the beard. It is truly one of the best pool books that I have. I lifted this shot out of Freddie's book. This is a bank that eddie taylor was known for. I mispelled his name on the title... sorry...

It appears easy at face value, but look where the cue ball ends up and you will see why its a special shot.

Support Freddie! Buy his book!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OtSaE0c2c5I
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The shot relies on transfer of spin. If you use right, then left will be imparted on the object ball and the cueball will be thrown to the opposite side of teh angle from the act of imparting the transfer of spin onto the object ball.

the left spin rebounds the object ball off of the rail back towards the pocket. Easy to talk about, but a little more difficult to do,.
 
Jaden said:
The shot relies on transfer of spin. If you use right, then left will be imparted on the object ball and the cueball will be thrown to the opposite side of teh angle from the act of imparting the transfer of spin onto the object ball.

the left spin rebounds the object ball off of the rail back towards the pocket. Easy to talk about, but a little more difficult to do,.
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Actually, this shot can be made with no english at all.

Russ
 
How? Can you post a vid or diagram?

With the cue below the object ball, it seems that any spin transfered due to cutting the ball won't be enough to compensate for the cut angle that the object ball will rebound off the long rail.

Russ Chewning said:
Actually, this shot can be made with no english at all.

Russ
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StevenPWaldon said:
How? Can you post a vid or diagram?

With the cue below the object ball, it seems that any spin transfered due to cutting the ball won't be enough to compensate for the cut angle that the object ball will rebound off the long rail.
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Actually, sorry for not being clear.. I meant this "type" of shot can be made with no english. Depending on the exact position of the balls, it might be impossible to make it without english.

But the no english version is made with a "dead ball". The best way to describe it is "pushing" the cue ball across the face of the OB with your stroke.. You end up cutting the ball backwards slightly and using your stroke to increase the amount of spin the OB picks up.

What helps me make this shot is to slow down my stroke speed. This causes the cue ball to come across the OB face at a slower speed, which increases the cling effect.

Is there anyone on here that can better explain how to make "twisters" with no english? Jay?

Russ
 
Thankfully having read Freddie's book, I understand how to do it. In fact, before I read it I would always overbank shots not knowing the transfer of spin due to what you call cling. A year or so ago, I was aware of the transfer of spin due to cut/collision, but failed to think to apply it to banks.

In this case, it just seems like so much angle here.

Russ Chewning said:
Actually, sorry for not being clear.. I meant this "type" of shot can be made with no english. Depending on the exact position of the balls, it might be impossible to make it without english.

But the no english version is made with a "dead ball". The best way to describe it is "pushing" the cue ball across the face of the OB with your stroke.. You end up cutting the ball backwards slightly and using your stroke to increase the amount of spin the OB picks up.

What helps me make this shot is to slow down my stroke speed. This causes the cue ball to come across the OB face at a slower speed, which increases the cling effect.

Is there anyone on here that can better explain how to make "twisters" with no english? Jay?

Russ
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StevenPWaldon said:
... A year or so ago, I was aware of the transfer of spin due to cut/collision, but failed to think to apply it to banks.

In this case, it just seems like so much angle here.
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I think you and Jaden are right. Even if the balls were the same distance from the foot rail, calculations indicate that you could not get enough spin to compensate for the necessary cut angle to impart that spin. This is with the balls separated by a diamond or so. If they are very close to each other, that's another story.

A caveat though, the calculations assume there is little or no such thing as "cushion throwback", of which I'm not completely sure.

Jim
 
I was surprised that after 15 minutes of trying I was able to figure out the shot somewhat, the video wasen't clear enough to get a good idea about cueing. After a bit I actually made it twice in a row but the only way I will bet on the shot is 2 made out of 25 tries and that ain't the nuts.--Leonard

OH Yea it was only with my 9mm shaft that I started making it.
 
Some tables seem to "catch" that transferred English on the rails more than others. I don't know if you could make this shot on the tables that tend not to.
 
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