A joint construction

brianna187

brianna187

BRIANNA SINCE 1988
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Over the years I have heard of many types of A joint constrution just recently changed mine to the following forearm has a 1"tenon .750 in dia. handel bored .750 held together with 1/2-13 steel or aluim rod using epoxy with small relief hole in handle was using a .625 tenon on the handle into a bored forearm with 3/8 -16 pin.

also wondering if this was true or not a heard SW cues uses no pins but the joint pin i have always thought it would be hard to achieve a 19 0z plus cue doing this any thoughts to this ?
 
A 3/4" diameter tenon is fine until you add rings. Then the face of the joint is entirely dependent on the strength of the rings. They no longer are accents but strength bearing components. That could be a scary thought, especially for complex ring packs.
 
qbilder said:
A 3/4" diameter tenon is fine until you add rings. Then the face of the joint is entirely dependent on the strength of the rings. They no longer are accents but strength bearing components. That could be a scary thought, especially for complex ring packs.
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What about that hunk of threaded steel holding the handle/forearm
together?

Do you really think all that clamping pressure evaporates when you put rings in between them?

Dale<enquiring mind wants to know>
 
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qbilder said:
A 3/4" diameter tenon is fine until you add rings. Then the face of the joint is entirely dependent on the strength of the rings. They no longer are accents but strength bearing components. That could be a scary thought, especially for complex ring packs.
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you will still have plenty of tenon inside the handle and can adjust a slightly longer tenon to make up for the ring/rings just my thoughts so far they seem extremly rigid thanks for your comments
 
pdcue said:
What about that hunk of threaded steel holding the handle/forearm
together?

Do you really think all that clamping pressure evaporates when you put rings in between them?

Dale<enquiring mind wants to know>
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I believe he was referring to the faces.
At .750" hole and 1" faces ( bottom of forearm and top of handle, unless you have a compound taper or something and a bigger AJ diameter ) , you have .125 a side of contact.
Take .040" more for the wrap .
At .625" hole, you get a lot more .
Joey~Can't believe QB opened another can of worms ~
 
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You can use heavier/lighter woods to bring your weights up/down without having "heavy" spots. Coring is also an option.
 
JoeyInCali said:
Joey~Can't believe QB opened another can of worms ~
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It's what I do, brother. It's what I do.

Yes, I was referring to the faces. The entire joint face is comprised of rings. Every single ring is yet another face to face glue joint. And yes, all of that clamping power doesn't mean jack if the glue bond breaks down between ring faces while the cue flexes during play. Sooner than later, IMO, you'll find a buzzing cue. Hey, I tried it for years. And tried numerous variations of tenon length, adhesives & thread types to compensate for the weakness. I found it mixed results at best. But don't take my word for it. I don't know jack as I have never had a cue buzz or play bad or have anything at all wrong. I'm perfect like that.

Seriously, I offered some worth while info that I found the hard way through years of trial & error. Take it or leave it, no matter to me. But you'll never see another cue of mine with a 3/4" tenon.

eric <---- wonders why I even offer shit up anymore on this site. every time there's nits that gotta try to belittle it
 
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qbilder said:
It's what I do, brother. It's what I do.

Yes, I was referring to the faces. The entire joint face is comprised of rings. Every single ring is yet another face to face glue joint. And yes, all of that clamping power doesn't mean jack if the glue bond breaks down between ring faces while the cue flexes during play. Sooner than later, IMO, you'll find a buzzing cue. Hey, I tried it for years. And tried numerous variations of tenon length, adhesives & thread types to compensate for the weakness. I found it mixed results at best. But don't take my word for it. I don't know jack as I have never had a cue buzz or play bad or have anything at all wrong. I'm perfect like that.

Seriously, I offered some worth while info that I found the hard way through years of trial & error. Take it or leave it, no matter to me. But you'll never see another cue of mine with a 3/4" tenon.

eric <---- wonders why I even offer shit up anymore on this site. every time there's nits that gotta try to belittle it
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Eric,

Some of us just read and say thank you quietly :)

Mario
 
qbilder said:
It's what I do, brother. It's what I do.

Yes, I was referring to the faces. The entire joint face is comprised of rings. Every single ring is yet another face to face glue joint. And yes, all of that clamping power doesn't mean jack if the glue bond breaks down between ring faces while the cue flexes during play. Sooner than later, IMO, you'll find a buzzing cue. Hey, I tried it for years. And tried numerous variations of tenon length, adhesives & thread types to compensate for the weakness. I found it mixed results at best. But don't take my word for it. I don't know jack as I have never had a cue buzz or play bad or have anything at all wrong. I'm perfect like that.

Seriously, I offered some worth while info that I found the hard way through years of trial & error. Take it or leave it, no matter to me. But you'll never see another cue of mine with a 3/4" tenon.

eric <---- wonders why I even offer shit up anymore on this site. every time there's nits that gotta try to belittle it
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Obviously you don't know jack about building cues for 30 years with
3/4 " tenons and never having a problem with one. But maybe I'm just a lot
better at gluing things together and/or figuring out what matters - and
what doesn't.

YOU of all people call someone a nit - I thought you had permanent
possession of the trophy?

Dale
 
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I just knew that this thread was going to be a buzz-killer right from jump street.
Is nothing sacred anymore?
 
pdcue said:
Obviously you don't know jack about building cues for 30 years with
3/4 " tenons and never having a prob with one. But maybe I'm just a lot
better at gluing things together and/or figuring out what maters - and
what doesn't.

YOU of all people call someone a nit - I thought you had permanent
possession of the trophy?

Dale
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So I assume this means buzzing rings at the "A" joint doesn't matter? Or that adhesive suppliers send you better glue than they send me? Either way I can't shake the feeling that i'm chasing my tail. Bueller?????Bueller?????Bueller

And if your highness doesn't mind, i'd like to correct you. I'm not a nit. I'm an asshole. My trophy looks like a giant horse's ass where yours more resembles a microscopic biting flea. Fitting....wouldn't you think?
 
Thank you Eric and Joey

I really appreciate the info shared in these threads and it gives me food for thought and something to test out. I am curious Eric, do you just use a smaller tenon like Joey mentioned using a .625 tenon or is there more to the equation than just that? I have always been impressed with your ringwork and how you can make it appear that every set of rings is custom built using the exact woods used in the butt of the cue... even many times on sneaky petes. Now especially with your new micro rings... I can completely understand why you wouldn't want to apply a bunch of clamping pressure to anything that thin. I am a big fan and still have a cue on order somewhere down the road.. but as a new builder, I want to say thank you and let you know that the rest of us "not complete nits" really do appreciate all the information that people like you and Joey are willing to share with the world!!!

Thanks,

Spencer


qbilder said:
It's what I do, brother. It's what I do.

Yes, I was referring to the faces. The entire joint face is comprised of rings. Every single ring is yet another face to face glue joint. And yes, all of that clamping power doesn't mean jack if the glue bond breaks down between ring faces while the cue flexes during play. Sooner than later, IMO, you'll find a buzzing cue. Hey, I tried it for years. And tried numerous variations of tenon length, adhesives & thread types to compensate for the weakness. I found it mixed results at best. But don't take my word for it. I don't know jack as I have never had a cue buzz or play bad or have anything at all wrong. I'm perfect like that.

Seriously, I offered some worth while info that I found the hard way through years of trial & error. Take it or leave it, no matter to me. But you'll never see another cue of mine with a 3/4" tenon.

eric <---- wonders why I even offer shit up anymore on this site. every time there's nits that gotta try to belittle it
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lets hear some other choices of A joints as far what i described is being used by many top cuemakers both past and present thats why i decided to use this method after talking to them just trying to get some other ideas
 
brianna187 said:
lets hear some other choices of A joints as far what i described is being used by many top cuemakers both past and present thats why i decided to use this method after talking to them just trying to get some other ideas
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I'd like to but I might get attacked.
Reverse metric acme threads work for me.
 
qbilder said:
So I assume this means buzzing rings at the "A" joint doesn't matter? Or that adhesive suppliers send you better glue than they send me? Either way I can't shake the feeling that i'm chasing my tail. Bueller?????Bueller?????Bueller

And if your highness doesn't mind, i'd like to correct you. I'm not a nit. I'm an asshole. My trophy looks like a giant horse's ass where yours more resembles a microscopic biting flea. Fitting....wouldn't you think?
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My point exactly, this is what happens when one assumes.

I will try little tiny words for you.

Buzz - no happen.

I don't think It's because I'm lucky and you aren't.

Dale<who is off to google sites dealing with child psychology>
 
dakota said:
I am curious Eric, do you just use a smaller tenon like Joey mentioned using a .625 tenon or is there more to the equation than just that?
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I use .625". But yeah, there's more to the rings than that. I won't go into it but basically I use a technique that diverts the stress away from the actual rings themselves, leaving them as "floating", for lack of better term.
 
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