A Message to Matchroom - Fix These Six Things Please

watchez

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First - major props for bringing an exciting event to pool. You have proven that a race to 5 can be just as exciting and riveting as a race to 11. It is a great four hours of pool production each day. That is plenty to watch and keep people interested. And bringing back professionalism to American pool with instilling Mark Wilson as this year's captain. I could go on and on with what is right about this year's Mosconi Cup, but you already know that.

But there are things you need to fix. I saw you fixed the capitalization of Shane's last name after I pointed it out, so it makes me think you are listening so here it goes.........

1. The table. Why choose a Diamond if it is going to be setup to play like a bar table? Diamond is the class of the class of tables in the market today. It is a fair table but one that you have to have a standard of skill level to master. I understand that TV lights will ease up a table but the brand new cloth and what seems (I could be wrong) side pockets cut wide open and this table is simply too easy. Sure it provides run out pool as no one wants to see players struggling. but these guys are all professionals and can still impress under tighter conditions. In the same respect, no one wants to see a ball hit between the second and third diamond and still go in.

2. The break. The 9 ball on the spot simply isn't working in the game of 9 ball. The players already figured it out and went to the cut break, making the one in the side more than ever. You need to move the spot DOWN on the table which obviously moves the rack DOWN on the table, about two spots in distance. Than rack the one of the spot. The wing balls won't go and the one ball will be very difficult to make in the side.

3. The shot clock. I love the shot clock cause no one likes slow play. However, when it gets down to 5 seconds and the shot clock is going off with each second like Defcon 5 has just arrived, with this loud thunderous beeping, no one is going to be successfully be able to shoot under those conditions. The drunk English fans are a big enough distraction. One normal toned beep at 5 seconds remaining is good enough. If the player doesn't shoot then in 5 seconds or ask for an extension, so be it. Give the captain the right to call out extension as well so his player isn't charged a foul if he loses track of time. Put a shot clock(s) around the time in view for the players if it is that much of an issue as well.

4. The fans. I like that the fans are in to it. Reminds me of the final tables of the WSOP. Good clean fun. But there is a time and place for everything. And when referees warning has to take place cause it isn't working. If the crowd can't be respectful when a player is down shooting, security should escort them out. I bet after the first one, it won't happen again. If they want to hoot and holler after each game, let them have it. Tennis takes less concentration and they don't allow it. Also, if alcohol sales is going to be present, don't sell them bottles. Either put their beer in a plastic cup or sell plastic bottles. It is ridiculous to hear during a magnificent production such as thing, beer bottles clanging as they are dropped to the floor.

5. The announcers. I hear that the announcers in the booth are given small monitors or a poor view of the table. If so, fix that. Give them a 55 inch screen to watch or a better seat in the house. There are too many missed calls and it makes the announcers appear they don't know the game. If that is not the case, then fix the announcers (I am available by the way).

6. The players entrance. Have their cues already down by their chair. No one can see what type of playing cue they are using as they enter anyways if they are thinking the sponsors might want it. I understand they are coming off the practice table in the back somewhere, but you could have some staff member be responsible for securely getting their cues table side. I can see some cue getting caught up in some drunk fan or a players nerves getting the best of him and tripping holding his cue, breaking and then what? Daz gonna borrow a cue from the crowd to play with? And without their cues in hand, the the players can make an even bigger entrance, high fiving more fans. Pumping their fists like they are on Jersey Shore. The whole 9 yards.

Great first two days. Thanks for bringing it to the fans.

Signed,
Watchez (is the Teacher)

p.s. If I think of anything else, I will let you know.
 
I agree with all your points except the last one. I think players making an entrance with their cue slung over their shoulder gives them that "warrior ready for battle" look, instead of just some guy walking down the stairs in a polo shirt. That's just me, though.
 
I definitely agree about the table. Isn't 9 ball for pros easy enough... Do we have to make the table easier then the valley table I play on at home lol seriously balls are going on this table that should be laying in the hole.
 
#4 I think the fans arnt loud enough. Let em go nuts. If a basketball player can make a game winning free throw in a crazy environment, Corey can make a cut shot. Makes the game exciting.

#6 lose the player walk in all together and do a video package to play for each player.
 
First - major props for bringing an exciting event to pool. You have proven that a race to 5 can be just as exciting and riveting as a race to 11. It is a great four hours of pool production each day. That is plenty to watch and keep people interested. And bringing back professionalism to American pool with instilling Mark Wilson as this year's captain. I could go on and on with what is right about this year's Mosconi Cup, but you already know that.

But there are things you need to fix. I saw you fixed the capitalization of Shane's last name after I pointed it out, so it makes me think you are listening so here it goes.........

1. The table. Why choose a Diamond if it is going to be setup to play like a bar table? Diamond is the class of the class of tables in the market today. It is a fair table but one that you have to have a standard of skill level to master. I understand that TV lights will ease up a table but the brand new cloth and what seems (I could be wrong) side pockets cut wide open and this table is simply too easy. Sure it provides run out pool as no one wants to see players struggling. but these guys are all professionals and can still impress under tighter conditions. In the same respect, no one wants to see a ball hit between the second and third diamond and still go in.

2. The break. The 9 ball on the spot simply isn't working in the game of 9 ball. The players already figured it out and went to the cut break, making the one in the side more than ever. You need to move the spot DOWN on the table which obviously moves the rack DOWN on the table, about two spots in distance. Than rack the one of the spot. The wing balls won't go and the one ball will be very difficult to make in the side.

3. The shot clock. I love the shot clock cause no one likes slow play. However, when it gets down to 5 seconds and the shot clock is going off with each second like Defcon 5 has just arrived, with this loud thunderous beeping, no one is going to be successfully be able to shoot under those conditions. The drunk English fans are a big enough distraction. One normal toned beep at 5 seconds remaining is good enough. If the player doesn't shoot then in 5 seconds or ask for an extension, so be it. Give the captain the right to call out extension as well so his player isn't charged a foul if he loses track of time. Put a shot clock(s) around the time in view for the players if it is that much of an issue as well.

4. The fans. I like that the fans are in to it. Reminds me of the final tables of the WSOP. Good clean fun. But there is a time and place for everything. And when referees warning has to take place cause it isn't working. If the crowd can't be respectful when a player is down shooting, security should escort them out. I bet after the first one, it won't happen again. If they want to hoot and holler after each game, let them have it. Tennis takes less concentration and they don't allow it. Also, if alcohol sales is going to be present, don't sell them bottles. Either put their beer in a plastic cup or sell plastic bottles. It is ridiculous to hear during a magnificent production such as thing, beer bottles clanging as they are dropped to the floor.

5. The announcers. I hear that the announcers in the booth are given small monitors or a poor view of the table. If so, fix that. Give them a 55 inch screen to watch or a better seat in the house. There are too many missed calls and it makes the announcers appear they don't know the game. If that is not the case, then fix the announcers (I am available by the way).

6. The players entrance. Have their cues already down by their chair. No one can see what type of playing cue they are using as they enter anyways if they are thinking the sponsors might want it. I understand they are coming off the practice table in the back somewhere, but you could have some staff member be responsible for securely getting their cues table side. I can see some cue getting caught up in some drunk fan or a players nerves getting the best of him and tripping holding his cue, breaking and then what? Daz gonna borrow a cue from the crowd to play with? And without their cues in hand, the the players can make an even bigger entrance, high fiving more fans. Pumping their fists like they are on Jersey Shore. The whole 9 yards.

Great first two days. Thanks for bringing it to the fans.

Signed,
Watchez (is the Teacher)

p.s. If I think of anything else, I will let you know.


1. The table is fine, it just needs to be broken in. Matchroom should be smart enough to not put brand new cloth out there.

2. I believe the players will always figure something out. Besides, make the one, you still have to sweat the two.

3. Agreed. (But actually, it'd be DEFCON 2 or 1 that would get your attention :-) I know. I've heard DEFCON 2 in the middle of the night from SAC HQ, sitting in a Minuteman missile capsule. DEFCON 5 is no biggie.

4. Its a no win situation. The fans in Blackpool are probably drunk before the first ball is hit and the refs are doing the best they can. I don't know where Michaela is, but that's why you hire her, if you can -- she is the only one they respect and will listen to.

5.The announcing was pretty abysmal. Missed calls on the break, whether a ball could be made, who the player was, what the right shot was, etc. If bigger monitors will fix that, it needs to be done. Otherwise it sounds like amateur night.

6. meh. The entrance is the entrance.

Lou Figueroa
 
I think the table is fine. Team Europe plays so good, it just looks like the

table is easy. Yes a couple balls could of not gone in on the one pocket,

but it's just that one pocket. Now the same pocket, if you hit the one tit,

the ball does not go.


Team Europe is just playing close to perfect so they make it look easy.


Team Europe really has the lag down where it looks like they practiced more.

Guess Team USA needs to practice this for next year.:banghead:
 
1. The table is fine, it just needs to be broken in. Matchroom should be smart enough to not put brand new cloth out there.

2. I believe the players will always figure something out. Besides, make the one, you still have to sweat the two.

3. Agreed. (But actually, it'd be DEFCON 2 or 1 that would get your attention :-) I know. I've heard DEFCON 2 in the middle of the night from SAC HQ, sitting in a Minuteman missile capsule. DEFCON 5 is no biggie.

4. Its a no win situation. The fans in Blackpool are probably drunk before the first ball is hit and the refs are doing the best they can. I don't know where Michaela is, but that's why you hire her, if you can -- she is the only one they respect and will listen to.

5.The announcing was pretty abysmal. Missed calls on the break, whether a ball could be made, who the player was, what the right shot was, etc. If bigger monitors will fix that, it needs to be done. Otherwise it sounds like amateur night.

6. meh. The entrance is the entrance.

Lou Figueroa

My point was more on the cloth and not the table. As stated, I like the Diamond for the pros. Not sure if a European Diamond is the same as a USA Diamond cause the side pockets appear to be different. Like I said, I could be wrong and just an idiot.

Thanks for the correction on the DEFCON protocol. I didn't know they let PR men into any DEFCON situation, whether it be 5 let alone a 1 or 2. :p

You can sweat the two but it is still about having control of the table, not just breaking and running out.
 
First - major props for bringing an exciting event to pool. You have proven that a race to 5 can be just as exciting and riveting as a race to 11. It is a great four hours of pool production each day. That is plenty to watch and keep people interested. And bringing back professionalism to American pool with instilling Mark Wilson as this year's captain. I could go on and on with what is right about this year's Mosconi Cup, but you already know that.

But there are things you need to fix. I saw you fixed the capitalization of Shane's last name after I pointed it out, so it makes me think you are listening so here it goes.........

1. The table. Why choose a Diamond if it is going to be setup to play like a bar table? Diamond is the class of the class of tables in the market today. It is a fair table but one that you have to have a standard of skill level to master. I understand that TV lights will ease up a table but the brand new cloth and what seems (I could be wrong) side pockets cut wide open and this table is simply too easy. Sure it provides run out pool as no one wants to see players struggling. but these guys are all professionals and can still impress under tighter conditions. In the same respect, no one wants to see a ball hit between the second and third diamond and still go in.

2. The break. The 9 ball on the spot simply isn't working in the game of 9 ball. The players already figured it out and went to the cut break, making the one in the side more than ever. You need to move the spot DOWN on the table which obviously moves the rack DOWN on the table, about two spots in distance. Than rack the one of the spot. The wing balls won't go and the one ball will be very difficult to make in the side.

3. The shot clock. I love the shot clock cause no one likes slow play. However, when it gets down to 5 seconds and the shot clock is going off with each second like Defcon 5 has just arrived, with this loud thunderous beeping, no one is going to be successfully be able to shoot under those conditions. The drunk English fans are a big enough distraction. One normal toned beep at 5 seconds remaining is good enough. If the player doesn't shoot then in 5 seconds or ask for an extension, so be it. Give the captain the right to call out extension as well so his player isn't charged a foul if he loses track of time. Put a shot clock(s) around the time in view for the players if it is that much of an issue as well.

4. The fans. I like that the fans are in to it. Reminds me of the final tables of the WSOP. Good clean fun. But there is a time and place for everything. And when referees warning has to take place cause it isn't working. If the crowd can't be respectful when a player is down shooting, security should escort them out. I bet after the first one, it won't happen again. If they want to hoot and holler after each game, let them have it. Tennis takes less concentration and they don't allow it. Also, if alcohol sales is going to be present, don't sell them bottles. Either put their beer in a plastic cup or sell plastic bottles. It is ridiculous to hear during a magnificent production such as thing, beer bottles clanging as they are dropped to the floor.

5. The announcers. I hear that the announcers in the booth are given small monitors or a poor view of the table. If so, fix that. Give them a 55 inch screen to watch or a better seat in the house. There are too many missed calls and it makes the announcers appear they don't know the game. If that is not the case, then fix the announcers (I am available by the way).

6. The players entrance. Have their cues already down by their chair. No one can see what type of playing cue they are using as they enter anyways if they are thinking the sponsors might want it. I understand they are coming off the practice table in the back somewhere, but you could have some staff member be responsible for securely getting their cues table side. I can see some cue getting caught up in some drunk fan or a players nerves getting the best of him and tripping holding his cue, breaking and then what? Daz gonna borrow a cue from the crowd to play with? And without their cues in hand, the the players can make an even bigger entrance, high fiving more fans. Pumping their fists like they are on Jersey Shore. The whole 9 yards.

Great first two days. Thanks for bringing it to the fans.

Signed,
Watchez (is the Teacher)

p.s. If I think of anything else, I will let you know.


I'm with you on all of them except for #1…… if we tighten up the pockets I'm scared that Corey won't ever make a ball….
 
My point was more on the cloth and not the table. As stated, I like the Diamond for the pros. Not sure if a European Diamond is the same as a USA Diamond cause the side pockets appear to be different. Like I said, I could be wrong and just an idiot.

Thanks for the correction on the DEFCON protocol. I didn't know they let PR men into any DEFCON situation, whether it be 5 let alone a 1 or 2. :p

You can sweat the two but it is still about having control of the table, not just breaking and running out.


Diamonds are Diamonds. It's just the cloth.

And before I was a USAF spokesmodel I was a 5,000 mile sniper. That would be the distance between a Great Falls, Montana Minuteman silo in India Flight to downtown Moscow. Pulled just over 200 alerts minding the keys to 10 of those bad boys.

Lou Figueroa
 
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Not sure if a European Diamond is the same as a USA Diamond cause the side pocke6ts appear to be different. Like I said, I could be wrong and just an idiot.

Diamond only builds one model of 9ft ProAms, sold in Europe, the middle east, Japan, the Philippines, the US, or anywhere else in the world, it's manufactured the exact same.Diamond does on special request, make tighter pockets now, but wouldn't offer that option in the past, trust me when i say Greg is committed to 4 1/2" ProCut corner pockets and 5" side side pockets, and has been for years, no matter who's buying the Diamond tables. It's only been recently that Greg even gave in to producing tables with tighter pockets. In fact, I produced the 4 1/8" fatboy' rails that SVB and Alex played on at the tar studio, which were later replaced by a set of rails that Diamond produced with 4 1/8" corner pockets, which played much tighter than the fatboy rails did, and we're later replaced with the standard ProCut pocket stock rails.
 
The table is the same for both sides
The crowd was nothing anyone didn't expect I'm sure this was part of the reason Mark chose the players he did and didn't choose others
It's sour grapes from the loosing side
We need to man up and overcome
Go team USA

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The table is the same for both sides
The crowd was nothing anyone didn't expect I'm sure this was part of the reason Mark chose the players he did and didn't choose others
It's sour grapes from the loosing side
We need to man up and overcome
Go team USA

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I don't really have sour grapes and didn't mean to give that impression. In fact, Billy I. once called me the best third base coach he had ever seen. I'll have to talk to Mark to see if he wants to stake me to Vega$ next year to be in the crowd and give a little back. I would be worth a game or two for sure.
 
I think the fans are rude and annoying. Drunk for sure ... maybe it's a Europe thing. I just turn off the volume and it's fine. I do feel for the refs though.
 
First - major props for bringing an exciting event to pool. You have proven that a race to 5 can be just as exciting and riveting as a race to 11. It is a great four hours of pool production each day. That is plenty to watch and keep people interested. And bringing back professionalism to American pool with instilling Mark Wilson as this year's captain. I could go on and on with what is right about this year's Mosconi Cup, but you already know that.

But there are things you need to fix. I saw you fixed the capitalization of Shane's last name after I pointed it out, so it makes me think you are listening so here it goes.........

1. The table. Why choose a Diamond if it is going to be setup to play like a bar table? Diamond is the class of the class of tables in the market today. It is a fair table but one that you have to have a standard of skill level to master. I understand that TV lights will ease up a table but the brand new cloth and what seems (I could be wrong) side pockets cut wide open and this table is simply too easy. Sure it provides run out pool as no one wants to see players struggling. but these guys are all professionals and can still impress under tighter conditions. In the same respect, no one wants to see a ball hit between the second and third diamond and still go in.

2. The break. The 9 ball on the spot simply isn't working in the game of 9 ball. The players already figured it out and went to the cut break, making the one in the side more than ever. You need to move the spot DOWN on the table which obviously moves the rack DOWN on the table, about two spots in distance. Than rack the one of the spot. The wing balls won't go and the one ball will be very difficult to make in the side.

3. The shot clock. I love the shot clock cause no one likes slow play. However, when it gets down to 5 seconds and the shot clock is going off with each second like Defcon 5 has just arrived, with this loud thunderous beeping, no one is going to be successfully be able to shoot under those conditions. The drunk English fans are a big enough distraction. One normal toned beep at 5 seconds remaining is good enough. If the player doesn't shoot then in 5 seconds or ask for an extension, so be it. Give the captain the right to call out extension as well so his player isn't charged a foul if he loses track of time. Put a shot clock(s) around the time in view for the players if it is that much of an issue as well.

4. The fans. I like that the fans are in to it. Reminds me of the final tables of the WSOP. Good clean fun. But there is a time and place for everything. And when referees warning has to take place cause it isn't working. If the crowd can't be respectful when a player is down shooting, security should escort them out. I bet after the first one, it won't happen again. If they want to hoot and holler after each game, let them have it. Tennis takes less concentration and they don't allow it. Also, if alcohol sales is going to be present, don't sell them bottles. Either put their beer in a plastic cup or sell plastic bottles. It is ridiculous to hear during a magnificent production such as thing, beer bottles clanging as they are dropped to the floor.

5. The announcers. I hear that the announcers in the booth are given small monitors or a poor view of the table. If so, fix that. Give them a 55 inch screen to watch or a better seat in the house. There are too many missed calls and it makes the announcers appear they don't know the game. If that is not the case, then fix the announcers (I am available by the way).

6. The players entrance. Have their cues already down by their chair. No one can see what type of playing cue they are using as they enter anyways if they are thinking the sponsors might want it. I understand they are coming off the practice table in the back somewhere, but you could have some staff member be responsible for securely getting their cues table side. I can see some cue getting caught up in some drunk fan or a players nerves getting the best of him and tripping holding his cue, breaking and then what? Daz gonna borrow a cue from the crowd to play with? And without their cues in hand, the the players can make an even bigger entrance, high fiving more fans. Pumping their fists like they are on Jersey Shore. The whole 9 yards.

Great first two days. Thanks for bringing it to the fans.

Signed,
Watchez (is the Teacher)

p.s. If I think of anything else, I will let you know.
I agree with everything you posted here. Yet another post in a completely unrelated thread by someone who did not chime in on the other thread in regards to the table taking in balls it shouldnt.

I like your idea about moving the spot and the rack back as opposed to up. Will take out the 1 in the side and the wings in the the corner. Can also see it creating more collisions after the break, since it is closer to the back rail, instead of a clean scatter which would also lead to more clusters making run outs harder.

I must spread reputation around before giving it to you again.
 
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1. The table is fine, it just needs to be broken in. Matchroom should be smart enough to not put brand new cloth out there.

Lou Figueroa

I think they should seriously consider a 'played in' table as you suggest Lou.

While this table plays easy for soft shots down rails, it is a nightmare for executing a lot of stroke shots with english, which means we get a simplified version of the game.

Toward the end of yesterday, Bergman scratched and Appleton ran into the 8 on the rail when their inside english shots didn't grip as they usually do on a played in table.

I know the best deal with such conditions the best, but why play under conditions that no one can afford to practice under, as they'd need new cloth on the table and rails every week.

Also - Large Monitors for the commentators is a must. I feel sorry for them. They can't see half of what the viewers are seeing.

Colin
 
Fixes always create new problems that need to be fixed. I can think of many examples in our sport. Enough for those headaches. As much as it is fun to critique and anylize the event, I prefer to just kick back be entertained by the specticle. I think the Mosconi Cup is just fine.
 
4. The fans. I like that the fans are in to it. Reminds me of the final tables of the WSOP. Good clean fun. But there is a time and place for everything. And when referees warning has to take place cause it isn't working. If the crowd can't be respectful when a player is down shooting, security should escort them out. I bet after the first one, it won't happen again. If they want to hoot and holler after each game, let them have it. Tennis takes less concentration and they don't allow it. Also, if alcohol sales is going to be present, don't sell them bottles. Either put their beer in a plastic cup or sell plastic bottles. It is ridiculous to hear during a magnificent production such as thing, beer bottles clanging as they are dropped to the floor.

5. The announcers. I hear that the announcers in the booth are given small monitors or a poor view of the table. If so, fix that. Give them a 55 inch screen to watch or a better seat in the house. There are too many missed calls and it makes the announcers appear they don't know the game. If that is not the case, then fix the announcers (I am available by the way).

6. The players entrance. Have their cues already down by their chair. No one can see what type of playing cue they are using as they enter anyways if they are thinking the sponsors might want it. I understand they are coming off the practice table in the back somewhere, but you could have some staff member be responsible for securely getting their cues table side. I can see some cue getting caught up in some drunk fan or a players nerves getting the best of him and tripping holding his cue, breaking and then what? Daz gonna borrow a cue from the crowd to play with? And without their cues in hand, the the players can make an even bigger entrance, high fiving more fans. Pumping their fists like they are on Jersey Shore. The whole 9 yards.

4. I sort of agree with you, however I kind of feel like this is maybe what pool needs. Let people cheer and get into it. Remove people for arguing, bad mouthing or cursing directly at players.

5. Announcing has been terrible. Several mistakes with players names, who's shot it is. What ball they are on, or are trying to get on.

6. I agree 150%, seeing random people touching/hitting players cues seems bad and looks terrible. Let the players high five, slap hands whatever.
 
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I just want them to fix the scoring. They have the Americans sitting on the left but their score is on the right. Any idiot should be able to figure out how to fix that.
 
The stats don't support a problem with the tables or the rack. More importantly, both teams are playing on the same table and using the same racking rules. If the rack is so important, perhaps the USA players need to spend some time practicing their lagging skills.

I agree on the other points, especially the fans. Yes, they should be allowed to have fun. However, I see no reason they cannot be quiet and respectful when a player is shooting. A home court advantage is one thing but this is ridiculous. I also agree with one poster who suggested a couple of obnoxious fans should be escorted out early on to set an example. I don't know the situation with the announcers so I have no opinion one way or the other. Given these guys have done a decent job in the past, it stands the reason there are outside problems causing their mistakes. Blame the problem, not the person.
 
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