A moment of revelation

Agree with everything except Ali Nejad being a good commentator :)

But Jay, if you enjoyed that match. They are actually streamed live on https://www.pokergo.com/

Phil has won the last 7 heads up duels (3x vs Esfandiari, 3x vs Negreanu, and 1x vs some sports analyst)

He's scheduled to play again on 8/25 against Tom Dwan.
People must be watching just to see Phil lose ( hoping ).
 
But, think of it like this, guys. If you can teach the pool "pros" how to play poker, you wouldn't have to move those cumbersome, heavy ol' tables around any more. Poker tables are light, and you don't have to hire a bunch of Prima Donna mechanics to set them up. Think it through.
 
jay
this is an aside
you mentioned in gradys rule the ball closest to the head rail got spotted.
how do you play in a regular game if someone scratches with no ball to spot and all the balls are in the kitchen
which ball gets spotted?
the one closest to the head line?
if more than one equal distance shooters choice?
the ball closest to the head rail?
 
And furthermore, you can get 8 to a table. Everybody is sitting still! Super camera angles, lots of glib chitty-chat. Oh, did I fail to mention the purses????? You win one of those gigs, and you won't have to go to Micky D's for a while.
 
The popularity of Minnesota Fats attests to the benefits of talking during the match.

And I think a huge part of the popularity of Phil Helmuth is that people are waiting for him to blow up. Is he the Earl Strickland of pool? It’s a mistake for promoters to just want quiet players with perfect sportsmanship.
 
jay
this is an aside
you mentioned in gradys rule the ball closest to the head rail got spotted.
how do you play in a regular game if someone scratches with no ball to spot and all the balls are in the kitchen
which ball gets spotted?
the one closest to the head line?
if more than one equal distance shooters choice?
the ball closest to the head rail?
Yes, the ball closest to the end rail (not the head string!) would be spotted. I'm not sure how the above scenario would be possible though if all the other balls had already been pocketed, then both players would have balls on their side. Remember there can never be more than four balls behind the line (in the kitchen) at any one time during the game. Perhaps you could explain this more clearly to me.
 
People must be watching just to see Phil lose ( hoping ).

Someone should make a compilation mix of Phil and Earl's blowups.

I think Phil loses this next one though. Tom is light years ahead of any of the previous 3 players Phil has faced.
 
One thing not considered is that the economics of running a pool hall are getting mostly seven foot tables put in new pool halls and older ones are getting nines pulled out and seven footers put in. Any game taking over pool is going to have to be at least playable on a seven foot table even if the big boys play it on nine footers.

Not what I want, I like ten foot tables. Maybe we are already seeing what is coming, the chinese eight ball tables. Might be the game too, I haven't looked at either one closely. I have thought for years that we might have to go to a snooker style table to keep the difficulty level up when playing on seven foot tables. I know that seven foot snooker tables have been around a long time, what do they play on them? I don't think they put twenty-one balls on a seven foot table. Sixteen might be doable.

I don't know. Let's break out the maces and go back outside!

Hu
 
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Yes, the ball closest to the end rail (not the head string!) would be spotted. I'm not sure how the above scenario would be possible though if all the other balls had already been pocketed, then both players would have balls on their side. Remember there can never be more than four balls behind the line (in the kitchen) at any one time during the game. Perhaps you could explain this more clearly to me.
What do you think about playing out the whole rack. In other words play like a three rack set first to 23. One of the best parts of one pocket is the end game when there's only a few balls on the table.
 
Btw, chess is considered a big sport in many countries as you know .
They are huge because the chess titles are freaking coveted by hundreds of millions of people .
Nothing can be more boring than chess, yet youtube channels with chess themes are extremely popular .
There is nobody in pool that will ever have 1 million subscribers .
Several tubers have million and up subbers in chess .
venom has over 1 million subscribers on YouTube.
 
I like the idea of mic'ing them up....especially on a 1P event, but,
For me, it all about the individual at the table. Top players are ALL at the approximate same level, but it's the character of the players that entertain me. the back and forth banter.
It's not golf, so why treat it as such. When you get two guy's like Chip and Tony, it can get slow, I want to see some emotion.

Remember the Scott/Alex match where Alex went off on Scott, because he wouldn't shut his mouth? "Face it man, I'm better than you"
Or, when Keith would yell out "Bar the doors Katie".
When Earl would look across the room, and say to someone " I can hear you eating"., or, walking over and grabbing Efren's hand, and holding it up, after the Z-shot.
Sigel talking to his designated yes man....


Fatty was the best at it. and Alex, to me, could entertain people tossing quarters.


There just aren't enough "characters" anymore. Let them talk, it'll make for some great entertainment.
 
What do you think about playing out the whole rack. In other words play like a three rack set first to 23. One of the best parts of one pocket is the end game when there's only a few balls on the table.
That's an interesting idea. Never thought of that one. I don't profess to know all the answers. In fact I like the questions this is prompting on here. Let me make one thing clear. I have no meetings planned and no sponsors lined up. No big shots are knocking at my door either. I'm just a guy whistling in the wind right now and I know it. But everything begins with an idea and I know that too.
 
This is going to sound strange and many of you might disagree with me, but that's okay, I can take the criticism.

I was watching a Heads Up poker match last night between two of the big names in poker - Phil Hellmuth and Antonio Esfandiari. They were both mic'd for sound and there were two excellent commentators, Nick Schulman and Ali Nejad. Poker is a far simpler game than pool and yet there is complexity to the betting patterns and infinite possibilities on the outcome of each hand. That makes it interesting, plus the fact that you can get lucky and win even if you've misplayed the hand. All this combines for good television viewing. NBCSN was the network airing this show. For two hours might I add.

My observation was the banter between the players before, during and after each hand was very entertaining. The thought processes that went into the playing of each hand was always well explained and analyzed by the coms. The show kept my attention for the entire two hours and I was left wanting more. Sad to say that watching two mostly quiet and stoic pool players play a rack (or ten) of 9-Ball is not nearly as interesting. And usually the commentary is equally uncompelling. Now, for my point.

9-Ball has been the go-to game for pool on TV for a long time and it's gone no where. Even diehards like us get tired of watching it. The racks are too routine for the most part and it's easy to connect the dots to see where the next shot is going. You almost don't need commentary to watch it. I began to think how could pool capitalize on what I was seeing here, and it struck me. The much maligned game of One Pocket is the answer! Yes I said ONE POCKET! Now you will ask me why I came to that conclusion. First of all it is a very cerebral game where a lot of thought goes into each shot and the options are limitless. This fact alone opens the door for discussion between the commentators and also allows the contestants (opponents) to engage in conversation as well. In most games of One Pocket there will be banter between the players, and that can only add interest to the match, IF you can hear it.

I think new viewers might be turned on by what they are seeing, not just another game of boring 9-Ball. It's an opportunity to challenge your audience and grab their attention. They might actually learn something about the intricacies of playing pool if they watch this show. Believe it or not, there are a lot of intelligent people who watch TV and are looking for new and interesting content to view. That's the people I want to watch a show like this. They would see pool in a whole new way. We would not just have to depend on the One Pocket geeks to have an audience.

One more thing. In case you didn't notice (I have), it is the big One Pocket matches that draw the most viewers on PPV streams. Can you imagine Scott Frost and Tony Chohan jawing away, while they make one astounding shot after another. I'd like to give a TV audience a dose of that. And who knows, maybe some day I will. ;)
I think 14.1 would be a better choice over 1P if 8B isn't an option. It's a nice mix of checkers and chess that most people could wrap their heads around and I think more closely matches your poker analogy. If's far more entertaining to watch than 9B/10B yet not quite as mind numbing as 1P. With the right commentary educating the viewer and mic'd up players, it could be entertaining.
 
I think 14.1 would be a better choice over 1P if 8B isn't an option. It's a nice mix of checkers and chess that most people could wrap their heads around and I think more closely matches your poker analogy. If's far more entertaining to watch than 9B/10B yet not quite as mind numbing as 1P. With the right commentary educating the viewer and mic'd up players, it could be entertaining.
Even less people like straight pool
 
Agree with everything except Ali Nejad being a good commentator :)

But Jay, if you enjoyed that match. They are actually streamed live on https://www.pokergo.com/

Phil has won the last 7 heads up duels (3x vs Esfandiari, 3x vs Negreanu, and 1x vs some sports analyst)

He's scheduled to play again on 8/25 against Tom Dwan.
Dwan is still alive? Man, he just disappeared.

I can't think of his name right now, but a poker player is selling a Anniversary table by Gregory in Atlanta area. I thought his name sounded familiar and when I googled it he was a poker player. Josh Areah, something like that. We traded emails for a while Nice table, just not ready to pull the trigger yet, but if someone else is, take a look on Ebay ;)
 
Btw, chess is considered a big sport in many countries as you know .
They are huge because the chess titles are freaking coveted by hundreds of millions of people .
Nothing can be more boring than chess, yet youtube channels with chess themes are extremely popular .
There is nobody in pool that will ever have 1 million subscribers .
Several tubers have million and up subbers in chess .
Heck, they made a series about chess, The Queen's Gambit, and it was very good. They took a game, that many folks heard of but doubtful many play it, nor play at a decent level, but made a great series that was quite entertaining. I liked it a lot.
 
I’ve thought the same thing for awhile. One pocket is the most complete pool game. No one ever wins a one pocket match because of lucky rolls. Not really anyways. Casual viewers are smart enough to notice when watching nine ball on the highest level that the match is usually decided by opportunity. One pocket is a game where you can create opportunities every turn at the table and matches are dog fights and not breaking contests.
One pocket you get great shot making, kicks, multi rail banks, and creative shots rarely seen in nine ball. Way more exciting than connect the dot run outs.
Snooker isn’t exciting and can be somewhat tedious to watch but attracts a huge audience because the fans and causal viewers can see the difficulty and nuances of the game.
I think if more casual pocket billiard fans worldwide got exposed to one pocket they would develop an appreciation for it the way snooker fans appreciate snooker because it’s way more complex and difficult game compared to nine ball.
With that said 8 ball is probably the game that should of been on tv for awhile for the game to really grow. Everyone understands 8 ball and you see players make decisions and personal playing style comes into the light way more than routine connect the dots 9 ball. Biggest problem is commentary. Most all commentary on pool matches is someone explaining what players are doing and how before they do it and then criticizing or second guessing if the player didn’t do what they thought they should. How many people would want to watch a football game where Joe Buck nobody explained the play before it happened? Would get old pretty fast like 95% of pool commentary. No causal viewer wants to watch something where the outcome is being explained to you before hand. What other sport has “how to” commentary 98% of the time? No excitement there. But that’s a whole different topic.
 
Yes, the ball closest to the end rail (not the head string!) would be spotted. I'm not sure how the above scenario would be possible though if all the other balls had already been pocketed, then both players would have balls on their side. Remember there can never be more than four balls behind the line (in the kitchen) at any one time during the game. Perhaps you could explain this more clearly to me.
my question was in the grady rules its the ball closest to the head RAIL
but in a REAL GAME (no grady rules) is it not the ball closest to the HEAD STRING that gets spotted?
 
FWIW, I had never watched a 1-pocket game until couple of weeks ago. After I kind of figured out what the rules were and how to play the basic game, in the end, I found myself bored. I think it was safety play that got to me. Shot after shot. Just one opinion here but I do watch quite a lot of youtube pool. Mostly 9-ball so far, some 10-ball, 8-ball.
 
Dwan is still alive? Man, he just disappeared.

I can't think of his name right now, but a poker player is selling a Anniversary table by Gregory in Atlanta area. I thought his name sounded familiar and when I googled it he was a poker player. Josh Areah, something like that. We traded emails for a while Nice table, just not ready to pull the trigger yet, but if someone else is, take a look on Ebay ;)
I remember him. I think he took 3rd in the main event the year Raymer won. I've heard he was decent at pool.
 
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