A Question For All The Cue Sellers

[FAST_N_LOOSE]

I'm Not Sure If This Belongs In This Section, But I Feel This Discussion Belongs In This Section Of The Forum.........

Here Is Some Thing I've Been Thinking About, That Bothers Me About The Cue World. It Has Happened To Me In The Past And I Ma Sure It Has Happened To Others As Well.

You Offer A Cue For Sale To Another Person Or A Dealer. You Send Them Pictures A Full Description, And Your Asking Price. They Tell You That They Have To Think About It. That Person, Without Your Permission, Takes Your Photos And Description, Puts A Percentage On Top Of Your Asking Price, And Shops The Cue To Their Buyers, Without Ever Paying You For The Cue.

I Understand The Situation Is Different If The Reseller Has Permission. I'm Talking About When You Don't Know It's Being Done.


Has This Happened To Anyone Else? Does It Bother Other People As Much As It Bothers Me?

I'm Not Directing This At Any One Dealer/person, I'm Just Curious. I Would Appreciate, That Any Replies Also Wouldn't Mention Any Specific Person. I'm Not Looking To Start A War, So I Would Like To Keep The Conversation As General As Possible.

 

[cubswin]

personally annoys me more when they say they are going to think about it, and get back to you the next day and then you never hear from them again.

Shopping something they don't own isn't right either. Maybe put your pictures in a format that isn't something easily copied. Seems like one of the share your photo's web sites let you do galleries that make it hard for others to copy.

 

[FAST_N_LOOSE]

personally annoys me more when they say they are going to think about it, and get back to you the next day and then you never hear from them again.

Shopping something they don't own isn't right either. Maybe put your pictures in a format that isn't something easily copied. Seems like one of the share your photo's web sites let you do galleries that make it hard for others to copy.

I'M IN RETAIL, SO I'M ACCUSTOMED TO PEOPLE SAYING THAT THEY'LL GET BACK TO YOU, AND THEN DISAPPEARING, SO THAT DOESN'T BOTHER ME AS MUCH, BUT I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.


I SHOULDN'T HAVE TO MAKE MY PICTURES HARD TO COPY. PEOPLE SHOULD UNDERSTAND THAT YOU CAN'T SELL SOMETHING UNTIL IT IS YOURS, UNLESS THERE IS AN AGREEMENT IN PLACE. I HAVE BROKERED CUES FOR SELLERS, THAT I NEVER OWNED, BUT THEY KNEW WHAT I WAS DOING.

 

[ahh2bme]

It only bothers me when they try to haggle on the price the next day or so...so that they can increase 'their' profit. I have nothing against people making money. So long as i make mine first! I once sent pics of a cue to someone, and never heard from them again. The following year the pics were on Ebay...MY pics. I still had the cue!! The potential buyer did not listen to my warnings, and he got burnt for about 2500....

 

[ahh2bme]

I broker cues all the time...I only make money if the cue sells; even then I only get a commission. A small one at that. But i love doing it. And it keeps me busy & i meet alot of interesting people.

 

[Danktrees]

yea i dont like when ppl do that. if u're not willing to take the risk of buying the cue first before u sell it then u dont deserve to make any profits from it. whenever i buy a cue with intention or even a slight possibility of selling it, i always let the seller know beforehand so that there are no misunderstandings. i find that most ppl wont just increase their selling price to u if u say u're trying to flip it nor do they care, so it really doesnt hurt to let them know in advance.
and trying to shop a cue thats not urs is annoying to the potential buyer too as they have to wait even longer to get the cue. i just think it's a crappy way to do business by spreading ur risk on to other ppl, even if u dont end up going thru with it and no risk is involved, u still waste ppls time which is annoying.

of course, if u made everything clear beforehand then its ok.

 

[FAST_N_LOOSE]

I broker cues all the time...I only make money if the cue sells; even then I only get a commission. A small one at that. But i love doing it. And it keeps me busy & i meet alot of interesting people.

AND THERE IS NOTHING WRONG WITH THAT, BUT THE OWNER OF THE CUE, HAS GIVEN YOU THE AUTHORITY TO SELL THE CUE FOR HIM. THAT'S THE DIFFERENCE. YEARS AGO I ACTUALLY RECEIVED AN E-MAIL FROM A CUE BROKER, TRYING TO SELL ME ONE OF MY OWN CUES, THAT I HAD OFFERED TO HIM THE DAY BEFORE....I GUESS HE FORGOT TO TAKE MY NAME OF THE MAILING LIST FOR THAT ONE. LET'S JUST SAY I NEVER DID BUSINESS WITH HIM AFTER THAT.

 

[cuetrip]

Ok, how about this:
On your images, add your AZ username or email, the date, and your asking price transposed onto the images themselves. This will prevent someone from preselling the cue before they buy it. They'll have to buy it and take their own pictures in order to show it.
-Rob

 

[Hidy Ho]

Marcus, I know where you are coming from.

This has happened to me at least one time. I offered a cue to a person and he stalled. So I'm working on a trade with someone else and offer him the same cue in trade only to find out my cue has already been offered for a trade by the person who doesn't even own the cue.

Of course, I thought this person's action is really unethical ...

 

[ribdoner]

I'm Not Sure If This Belongs In This Section, But I Feel This Discussion Belongs In This Section Of The Forum.........

Here Is Some Thing I've Been Thinking About, That Bothers Me About The Cue World. It Has Happened To Me In The Past And I Ma Sure It Has Happened To Others As Well.

You Offer A Cue For Sale To Another Person Or A Dealer. You Send Them Pictures A Full Description, And Your Asking Price. They Tell You That They Have To Think About It. That Person, Without Your Permission, Takes Your Photos And Description, Puts A Percentage On Top Of Your Asking Price, And Shops The Cue To Their Buyers, Without Ever Paying You For The Cue.

I Understand The Situation Is Different If The Reseller Has Permission. I'm Talking About When You Don't Know It's Being Done.




Has This Happened To Anyone Else? Does It Bother Other People As Much As It Bothers Me?

I'm Not Directing This At Any One Dealer/person, I'm Just Curious. I Would Appreciate, That Any Replies Also Wouldn't Mention Any Specific Person. I'm Not Looking To Start A War, So I Would Like To Keep The Conversation As General As Possible.

What really pisses (not many things do) me off is when I've offered a cue to several people and then one of them is offering it to some of the same people before a deal is consumated. The last time this occured was just a couple of months ago..... I explained the situation to the affected parties at the expense of the offending cue pimp.

 

[cornerstone]

I'm Not Sure If This Belongs In This Section, But I Feel This Discussion Belongs In This Section Of The Forum.........

Here Is Some Thing I've Been Thinking About, That Bothers Me About The Cue World. It Has Happened To Me In The Past And I Ma Sure It Has Happened To Others As Well.

You Offer A Cue For Sale To Another Person Or A Dealer. You Send Them Pictures A Full Description, And Your Asking Price. They Tell You That They Have To Think About It. That Person, Without Your Permission, Takes Your Photos And Description, Puts A Percentage On Top Of Your Asking Price, And Shops The Cue To Their Buyers, Without Ever Paying You For The Cue.

I Understand The Situation Is Different If The Reseller Has Permission. I'm Talking About When You Don't Know It's Being Done.


Has This Happened To Anyone Else? Does It Bother Other People As Much As It Bothers Me?

I'm Not Directing This At Any One Dealer/person, I'm Just Curious. I Would Appreciate, That Any Replies Also Wouldn't Mention Any Specific Person. I'm Not Looking To Start A War, So I Would Like To Keep The Conversation As General As Possible.

People that whore around pictures without concent of the the person is wrong. and this has pissed me off more than a few time ethics ,that is what we need in this industry. I have even agreed to buy cues and found out they do not own them until later! i believe you have all the right in the world to have a notion to hold these people accountable! You cant sell what you dont own! unless your on ebay with 0 feedback ,IMO all the same

 

[cigardave]

Although I don't do it myself, I personally see nothing wrong with doing what you suggested.

It's just some guy/girl trying to turn a buck if they forecast the value of your cue higher than what you are asking. If you sell it, why do you care whether the buyer is going to be the end-user... or a middleman? If you sell it, you sell it... right?

I guess I don't see the difference.

 

[Danktrees]

Although I don't do it myself, I personally see nothing wrong with doing what you suggested.

It's just some guy/girl trying to turn a buck if they forecast the value of your cue higher than what you are asking. If you sell it, why do you care whether the buyer is going to be the end-user... or a middleman? If you sell it, you sell it... right?

I guess I don't see the difference.

its cuz the dont always find a buyer in which case u dont end up selling it. this basically means u just wasted all ur time and maybe lost potential buyers since u stopped looking, thinking that u were going to sell it. of course u can keep looking even when talking to that guy but then if he ends up wanting it, do u sell to him or a new buyer who's interested? if u end up selling to the initial person then u basically shopped ur cue around only to tell ppl that u're not selling it to them which is wrong. but honestly, i wouldnt mind selling it to someone looking to flip it but if they waste all my time knowing that they wont buy the cue anyways then there is a problem with that.

 

[paulybatz]

I have head of certain dealers...

doing this. When I was at Valley Forge someone told me of someone doing this to them.
Pauly

 

[BillYards]

Let's face it, whenever money is involved things get.... distasteful.

I guess as long as you get the money you were looking for out of the cue, then you should be satisfied, regardless of what happens to the cue after that. If someone shops the cue around to get you the money you were asking for, then that is good for you.

However, they are the ones taking a big risk with their own reputations when they fail to follow through on a sale when they shop a cue but end-up not being able to buy that cue.

 

[FAST_N_LOOSE]

Although I don't do it myself, I personally see nothing wrong with doing what you suggested.

It's just some guy/girl trying to turn a buck if they forecast the value of your cue higher than what you are asking. If you sell it, why do you care whether the buyer is going to be the end-user... or a middleman? If you sell it, you sell it... right?

I guess I don't see the difference.

THIS IS WHAT I SEE AS THE DIFFERENCE......

I OFFER THE CUE TO PERSON A, THEY TELL ME THEY HAVE TO THINK ABOUT IT. I AM THEN CONTACTED BY PERSON B REGARDING MY CUEI I TELL THEM, I AM WAITING TO HEAR BACK FROM BUYER A. DURING THIS TIME BUYER A HAS SHOWED MY CUE TO ALL MY OTHER POTENTIAL BUYERS. THEREFORE DIMINISHING MY CHANCE OF MOVING THE CUE. I JUST DON'T FEEL IT IS RIGHT TO SHOP SOMETHING THAT ISN'T YOURS WITHOUT PERMISSION.

A CAR DEALER CAN'T SELL YOUR TRADE IN, BEFORE YOU HAVE YOUR DEAL DONE ON THE NEW CAR.

I MAY BE OVERREACTING TO THIS A BIT, BUT THIS SITUATION, EALLY GETS UNDER MY SKIN.

 

[FAST_N_LOOSE]

Ok, how about this:
On your images, add your AZ username or email, the date, and your asking price transposed onto the images themselves. This will prevent someone from preselling the cue before they buy it. They'll have to buy it and take their own pictures in order to show it.
-Rob
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I DON'T FEEL THAT I SHOLD HAVE TO DEGRADE THE QUALITY OF MY PICTURES, TO STOP THIS. I MAY SHORTLY START DOING THIS, BUT I REALLY PREFER NOT TO.

THIS IS ONE OF THE REASONS THAT I NO LONGER FLIP CUES ON A REGULAR BASIS. I JUST CAN'T SEE HOW A PERSON CAN FEEL THAT DOING THIS IS PROPER BUSINESS.

 

[FAST_N_LOOSE]

What really pisses (not many things do) me off is when I've offered a cue to several people and then one of them is offering it to some of the same people before a deal is consumated. The last time this occured was just a couple of months ago..... I explained the situation to the affected parties at the expense of the offending cue pimp.

THIS IS ALMOST EXACTLY WHAT I AM REFERRING TO. THIS HAS HAPPENED TO ME NMEROUS TIMES, AND IT SUCKS. I'M GLAD I'M NOT THE ONLY ONE THAT IS BOTHERED BY THIS.

 

[cigardave]

its cuz the dont always find a buyer in which case u dont end up selling it. this basically means u just wasted all ur time and maybe lost potential buyers since u stopped looking, thinking that u were going to sell it. of course u can keep looking even when talking to that guy but then if he ends up wanting it, do u sell to him or a new buyer who's interested? if u end up selling to the initial person then u basically shopped ur cue around only to tell ppl that u're not selling it to them which is wrong. but honestly, i wouldnt mind selling it to someone looking to flip it but if they waste all my time knowing that they wont buy the cue anyways then there is a problem with that.

I understand, Danktrees. I would sell it to the first person with my asking price. If nobody offered my asking price, then I would have to decide if I had been offered enuf money for me to want to sell it.

If a potential buyer told me... "I want to buy it but need time to think about it... and I'll let you know tomorrow.".... well, I would tell them that if someone comes along before you get back to me and offers me my asking price or something close to it, then I will sell it right then and there... in other words, I'm not going to hold it for you until you get back to me... tomorrow or otherwise.

In online selling, there's no downpayment... for the seller to hold it for the buyer until the buyer gets the rest of the money into the hands of the seller... and therefore, I wouldn't hold a cue for anyone... be it for a couple of hours... or for overnight.

My approach as a seller... Buy it now... or risk it being already sold if you wait.

 

[Danktrees]

My approach as a seller... Buy it now... or risk it being already sold if you wait.

but the issue is someone is trying to sell something that isnt theirs. i realize i kinda sidetracked from that but my point, or the one i was trying to make was that they are selling something that doesnt belong to them and wasting ur time while doing it. yea u can go ahead and sell it to someone else but what if u get lower offers do u still go ahead an sell it knowing u're getting ripped off or do u wait until he's found someone to buy a cue that doesnt even belong to him before u make a decision? if they told u from the start what they were doing and u agreed to it then there's no problem. but if they're wasting ur time and stalling u saying they'll pay u tomorrow, then the day after and so on then thats just wrong. ur approach only considers a clear situation, which is if he doesnt buy it and someone else sends money, it goes to the second person. it doesnt consider that he said he'd buy it then logs off. i mean, maybe u dont hold cues for ppl but if they said they're buying it but arent online when u want ur payment, i would think that u'd wait for them. they can hide when they're online as well so sometimes its hard to tell. they might stall u for a few hours then a few more and so on. obviously if they keep doing it then u just tell them to screw off but in some situations u will end up going along with their stalling.