A Question For All The Cue Sellers

[classiccues]

Marcus,
Now that you've been around a while, it doesn't look pretty. But I will tell you, we have had it offered to us by both the actual owners and sometimes just people who want to trade up, using a cue they don't own as TRADE bait.

But there are flip sides to everything. All the dealers consign, what do you do after you've taken the pics, put the cue up and then the owner or his friend sell the cue, and ask you to return it? IOW, it got sold out from under you. You did the work, gave the cue the exposure, you were basically used as a photography studio. I'll say this, when a dealer does it, he is a scumbag. We had a dealer recently do this to us, instead of calling us to say he might have a buyer, can we do something. He went behind our back, now its partially our customers fault, but the dealers just a nitbag and a sh*thead.

But this is how people are. You cannot cover all your bases. Now only for certain people when we consign we let them hold the cue. Most times cue has to be in hand.

JV

 

[Hal]

Let's face it, whenever money is involved things get.... distasteful.

Not with hooters...

Hey by the way how do you put the text in the pictures like the guy did on page one?

 

[Kid Dynomite]

I UNDERSTAND YOUR POINT. I ALWAYS HAVE GUYS ON THE LOOK OUT FOR CUES FOR ME. DIFFERENCE IS, IF YOU HAVE A POTENTIAL BUYER, TELL ME THAT. DON'T OFFER MY CUE TO HALF OF THE CUE WORLD, AND THEN TELL ME KNOW. IF I OFFER A CUE TO A DEALER, AND HE SAYS, I MAY HAVE A BUYER, I'LL LET YOU KNOW, I CAN RESPECT THAT. BUT DOING IT BEHIND MY BACK, AND TO NUMEROUS BUYERS JUST ISN'T RIGHT. I HAVE OFFERED CUES TO DEALERS, AT GREAT PRICES KNOWING THEY HAVE A BUYER, AND THAT THEY CAN MAKE MONEY. I KNOW THAT'S HOW IT WORKS, THAT IS WHY I HAVE PEOPLE WILLING TO HELP ME FIND CUES, BECAUSE I DO FAVORS FOR THEM.

This is a very important statement. You are doing a favor for them. They do not appreciate the favor and it hurts! They do not have a buyer as stated to you and do not want to walk away from "FREE MONEY" They tell you they have a buyer and don't "They lied" and then hunt for one to keep the difference between the purchase price and sales price. This practice is called arbitrage in business school and done between currency fluctuations in various markets. Pretty un cool! You can shop the cue yourself and make the full amount. You just offered it because they expressed and interest or a desire to own it! I have differnent prices for a friend versus EBAY. I think we all do and to exploit that discount is really un-ethical!!!!!

BUT THOSE GUYS, WOULDN'T OFFER MY CUE FOR SALE WITHOUT MY KNOWLEDGE.

Read above!

Sincerely,
Kid
Dynomite

 

[matcase]

Glitch. double post.

 

[matcase]

Yes, how do you put the text on the pics. I think this is a great idea. Really though, your deal is with the person you have contact with. If you are happy with the money you get, that should be your focus. Worrying about what someone else does after your sale will just aggravate you. One thing you might take solace in is that these people, who hustle off stuff they don't have, usually have complications and get burned. FASTNLOOSE. I wish you good dealings in the future.

 

[cuetrip]

Yes, how do you put the text on the pics. I think this is a great idea. Really though, your deal is with the person you have contact with. If you are happy with the money you get, that should be your focus. Worrying about what someone else does after your sale will just aggravate you. One thing you might take solace in is that these people, who hustle off stuff they don't have, usually have complications and get burned. FASTNLOOSE. I wish you good dealings in the future.

I used Paint Shop Pro to insert the text in the image on page one. Here's a link to a older free version. It says it's a 30 day trial but it keeps working past that.
http://www.oldversion.com/download.php?idlong=5b0534f1cd3d0944b187656fb017bb 8f
-Rob

 

[asiasdad]

A CAR DEALER CAN'T SELL YOUR TRADE IN, BEFORE YOU HAVE YOUR DEAL DONE ON THE NEW CAR.

I MAY BE OVERREACTING TO THIS A BIT, BUT THIS SITUATION, EALLY GETS UNDER MY SKIN.

Marcus,

I've been in the car business 23 years, and yes there are idiots in
the car business pretending to be "sales managers" that have actually
sold the trades prior to the parent deal clearing.

This usually costs the dealer serious money when the parent deal
falls apart and they cannot retrieve the trade.

The cue pimps that play the same game generally suffer once they've
been found out, and this forum has had no problems lifting the rocks so
the AZ members can see these bugs crawling underneath.

Danny

 

[FAST_N_LOOSE]

Marcus,

I've been in the car business 23 years, and yes there are idiots in
the car business pretending to be "sales managers" that have actually
sold the trades prior to the parent deal clearing.

This usually costs the dealer serious money when the parent deal
falls apart and they cannot retrieve the trade.

The cue pimps that play the same game generally suffer once they've
been found out, and this forum has had no problems lifting the rocks so
the AZ members can see these bugs crawling underneath.

Danny

I'M GLAD YOU BROUGHT THIS THREAD BACK TO THE TOP. IT HAD SOME GOOD DISCUSSION IN IT.

 

[DJKeys]

I think this is, unfortunately, very common, and is the reason a lot of deals fall through. There are some traders that enjoy the buying and selling of cues, and others who need to make (or need to think they are making) money on each transaction. Nothing wrong with making a few bucks, but a lot of deals become very fragile contingency-based transactions.

 

[Guerra Cues]

I really don't care as loong as my price is met and the payment clears.

 

[Pii]

I'M NOT REFERRING TO A BUYERS AGENT. IF I KNOW WHAT SOMEBODY IS DOING, I DON'T CARE. BUT A BUYERS AGENT DOESNT SEND THE INFORMATION TO AN ENTIRE LIST OF PEOPLE, HE SENDS THE INFO TO THE PERSON LOOKING.

I hope you took that email list and resent the email yourself to them all and letting them know what was up.

 

[Purdman]

I'm Not Sure If This Belongs In This Section, But I Feel This Discussion Belongs In This Section Of The Forum.........

Here Is Some Thing I've Been Thinking About, That Bothers Me About The Cue World. It Has Happened To Me In The Past And I Ma Sure It Has Happened To Others As Well.

You Offer A Cue For Sale To Another Person Or A Dealer. You Send Them Pictures A Full Description, And Your Asking Price. They Tell You That They Have To Think About It. That Person, Without Your Permission, Takes Your Photos And Description, Puts A Percentage On Top Of Your Asking Price, And Shops The Cue To Their Buyers, Without Ever Paying You For The Cue.

I Understand The Situation Is Different If The Reseller Has Permission. I'm Talking About When You Don't Know It's Being Done.


Has This Happened To Anyone Else? Does It Bother Other People As Much As It Bothers Me?

I'm Not Directing This At Any One Dealer/person, I'm Just Curious. I Would Appreciate, That Any Replies Also Wouldn't Mention Any Specific Person. I'm Not Looking To Start A War, So I Would Like To Keep The Conversation As General As Possible.

My .02 on the subject.
You most likely won't agree.
This forum was created for pool players. When pool players were the ones selling cues on this forum, it was fine. Now you have a forum full of people who are trying to make a living selling cues. The result, your for sale post is gone after 15 minutes. It is not like it use to be by a long shot. I think professional cue dealers should have their own site. They have ruined this one. JMHO
In answer to your question, as long as you are getting what you want for the cue, who cares who sold it for what. It is like being a drug dealer. You can have all the best of everything and no customers. That is when you sell to the guy that has the demand / buyers. JMHO
Peace, Purdman

 

[FAST_N_LOOSE]

My .02 on the subject.
You most likely won't agree.
This forum was created for pool players. When pool players were the ones selling cues on this forum, it was fine. Now you have a forum full of people who are trying to make a living selling cues. The result, your for sale post is gone after 15 minutes. It is not like it use to be by a long shot. I think professional cue dealers should have their own site. They have ruined this one. JMHO
In answer to your question, as long as you are getting what you want for the cue, who cares who sold it for what. It is like being a drug dealer. You can have all the best of everything and no customers. That is when you sell to the guy that has the demand / buyers. JMHO
Peace, Purdman

I AGREE THAT DEALERS SHOULDN'T USE THIS SITE TO SELL CUES, BUT SOMETIMES IT'S HARD TO TELL THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN A DEALER AND A NON DEALER...... I DON'T CONSIDER MYSELF A DEALER, BUT I SELL ALOT OF CUES AT CERTAIN TIMES. DOES THAT MEAN I SHOULDN'T SELL HERE?

ABOUT THE RESPONSE TO MY ORIGINAL QUESTION..... I DON'T CARE IF SOMEONE MAKES MONEY ON A CUE I SELL THEM, BUT IF I'M TRYING TO SELL IT, AND THEY FLOOD THE MARKET WITH PICS AND A PRICE AND THEN I SHOW IT TO THE SAME PEOPLE A FEW DAYS LATER, IT MAKES IT LOOK LIKE I'M TRYING TO SELL THEIR CUE, NOT MY OWN. OR EVEN WORSE, PEOPLE THINK "OH, HE BOUGHT THAT CUE, AND IS NOW RESELLING IT RIGHT AWAY, THERE MUST BE SOMETHING WRONG WITH IT"........ THOSE ARE MY ISSUES WITH PEOPLE OFFERING CUES FOR SALE THAT THEY DON'T OWN/OR EVEN HAVE IN THERE POSESSION.

 

[Purdman]

I AGREE THAT DEALERS SHOULDN'T USE THIS SITE TO SELL CUES, BUT SOMETIMES IT'S HARD TO TELL THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN A DEALER AND A NON DEALER...... I DON'T CONSIDER MYSELF A DEALER, BUT I SELL ALOT OF CUES AT CERTAIN TIMES. DOES THAT MEAN I SHOULDN'T SELL HERE?

That is not what I said.

ABOUT THE RESPONSE TO MY ORIGINAL QUESTION..... I DON'T CARE IF SOMEONE MAKES MONEY ON A CUE I SELL THEM, BUT IF I'M TRYING TO SELL IT, AND THEY FLOOD THE MARKET WITH PICS AND A PRICE AND THEN I SHOW IT TO THE SAME PEOPLE A FEW DAYS LATER, IT MAKES IT LOOK LIKE I'M TRYING TO SELL THEIR CUE, NOT MY OWN.

Uh, wouldn't your price for said cue be lower? You could explain the situation.

OR EVEN WORSE, PEOPLE THINK "OH, HE BOUGHT THAT CUE, AND IS NOW RESELLING IT RIGHT AWAY, THERE MUST BE SOMETHING WRONG WITH IT"........ THOSE ARE MY ISSUES WITH PEOPLE OFFERING CUES FOR SALE THAT THEY DON'T OWN/OR EVEN HAVE IN THERE POSESSION.

Why would they think that? You think they are going to think you paid more for it than you are trying to sell it for? Just doesn't make any sence to me.
Peace, Purdman

PS: You don't need to yell. I hear/read just fine.

 

[FAST_N_LOOSE]

Why would they think that? You think they are going to think you paid more for it than you are trying to sell it for? Just doesn't make any sence to me.
Peace, Purdman

PS: You don't need to yell. I hear/read just fine.

I PROMISE I'M NOT YELLING, THE CAPS ARE ALWAYS ON SO I CAN SEE WHAT I'M TYPING.


I GUESS WE'LL JUST HAVE TO AGREE TO DISAGREE....... WE JUST HAVE DIFFERENT OPINIONS. I CAN'T STAND WHEN SOMEONE TRIES TO SELL SOMETHING THEY DON'T OWN, WITHOUT THE OWNER KNOWING ABOUT IT.

P.S. I WASN'T SAYING THAT YOU THOUGHT I SHOULDN'T SELL HERE. MY POINT WAS, THE DEALER/NON DEALER LINE CAN BE A FINE ONE. AND THAT IT'S TOUGH TO TELL THE DEALERS FORM THE NON-DEALERS SOMETIMES.

 

[classiccues]

Well I respect Purds opinion and that is why I post FS very lightly and always have. Unless it's a real deal or something very special, like a major update. I realize I get a lot of site hits just from my signature. So I respect that. Now as far as calling a dealer a dealer, or sub dealer, IMHO you move more than 10 cues in a year, your a dealer. People shy away from calling themselves dealers because they don't want to be lumped in as a "dealer", but if you are doing it to make money, even if it's minimal, you're a dealer.

As far as this board and blaming your post disappearing because of dealers, I disagree. Posts disappear because of the banter in each add, they disappear because there are a lot of members selling everything from cues to chalk to cue finger condoms. It's just alot of traffic.

JV

 

[Cuemaster98]

I'm Not Sure If This Belongs In This Section, But I Feel This Discussion Belongs In This Section Of The Forum.........

Here Is Some Thing I've Been Thinking About, That Bothers Me About The Cue World. It Has Happened To Me In The Past And I Ma Sure It Has Happened To Others As Well.

You Offer A Cue For Sale To Another Person Or A Dealer. You Send Them Pictures A Full Description, And Your Asking Price. They Tell You That They Have To Think About It. That Person, Without Your Permission, Takes Your Photos And Description, Puts A Percentage On Top Of Your Asking Price, And Shops The Cue To Their Buyers, Without Ever Paying You For The Cue.

I Understand The Situation Is Different If The Reseller Has Permission. I'm Talking About When You Don't Know It's Being Done.


Has This Happened To Anyone Else? Does It Bother Other People As Much As It Bothers Me?

I'm Not Directing This At Any One Dealer/person, I'm Just Curious. I Would Appreciate, That Any Replies Also Wouldn't Mention Any Specific Person. I'm Not Looking To Start A War, So I Would Like To Keep The Conversation As General As Possible.

I can't see why this would bother anyone...especially if you get full asking price for your cues. Does it matter if they show it to their friends or local? It's like the person is doing free marketing for you which is great IMO. The only issue that I may have would be that he try to low ball the price etc...to get a bigger profit. But then again if I willing to sell it means I'm happy with the profit that I make. All in all, I wish there were more of these guys or dealer....just more marketing for me. Anyone feel free to upsell my cue to anyone or blanks....just make sure you give me full asking price and make sure you make a profit for yourself while you're at it.... it's not an easy job.

Regards,
Duc.

 

[robertno1pool]

Pre-selling cues

Man - this is a tough question. Has anyone ever bought stock thinking the will put a stock certificate on the wall and never sell it at a profit?

If you are happy with the price when you sold a cue, it is hard to determine what a buyer will do with it. Some people want cue to shoot with, others file them away in a big collection, and some large cue dealers with websites are almost certain to flip it if they can.

I suspect FAST_N_LOOSE is selling a number of cues to help folks wanting to sell cues find a buyer. If I knew someone was looking for a cue, I would try to help them out and match them with a seller. I might let them but me a beer, but would not try to sell the cue and jump in the middle. Too many unknowns and deals gone bad to plan on a cue being exactly as advertised.

For my 2 cents, I do not think it would be right to put someone else's photos out on a cue I did not own. What happens if someone else buys the cue and I have nothing to offer?

I would expect that if I own a cue, I could use someone else's photos of a cue that exist in the public to show off or sell a cue. Difference is all in the timing.

FAST_N_LOOSE - I still like your offer as a knowledgeable seller and buyer to hold a cue as a middleman - and make sure the cash is there - before a cue moves. There is value in this. Tap-Tap.

 

[nick serdula]

I have done it-almost

I'm Not Sure If This Belongs In This Section, But I Feel This Discussion Belongs In This Section Of The Forum.........

Here Is Some Thing I've Been Thinking About, That Bothers Me About The Cue World. It Has Happened To Me In The Past And I Ma Sure It Has Happened To Others As Well.

You Offer A Cue For Sale To Another Person Or A Dealer. You Send Them Pictures A Full Description, And Your Asking Price. They Tell You That They Have To Think About It. That Person, Without Your Permission, Takes Your Photos And Description, Puts A Percentage On Top Of Your Asking Price, And Shops The Cue To Their Buyers, Without Ever Paying You For The Cue.

I Understand The Situation Is Different If The Reseller Has Permission. I'm Talking About When You Don't Know It's Being Done.


Has This Happened To Anyone Else? Does It Bother Other People As Much As It Bothers Me?

I'm Not Directing This At Any One Dealer/person, I'm Just Curious. I Would Appreciate, That Any Replies Also Wouldn't Mention Any Specific Person. I'm Not Looking To Start A War, So I Would Like To Keep The Conversation As General As Possible.

Hay Marcus,
I will show others cues but when I find a buyer I will put them on the seller. No biggie to me. Sooner or later it seems to always come back!
Nick

 

[brianna187]

Marcus,
I would consider you a dealer, anyone buying and selling cues like you or I do, is considered a dealer , and part of dealing is puting sales together thats just good business trying to have a buyer lined up before putting money out is just good business in todays bad economey .