About to spend 5k - Diamond, Brunswick - advice welcome!

Looks to be basically the same as GC. Never seen one before so who knows.

The thing I dislike the most about GC's is the corner Irons. Being up an 8th of an inch is a drag and on a 3C Gold Crown if you have to shoot from the corner you better grab a house cue or you'll find a ding in you shaft and for crying out loud if you need a level cue on the shot - forget it.
 
Our local poolroom has the Metros. The pockets are too large, the rails are unusual. The Metro is no comparison to either the GC or the Diamond.

Personally, I own a Diamond, and will never purchase anything else. The play is superb. I will further recommend the tournament blue Simonis. This cloth color really helps the balls stand out and looks great as well.
 
barker said:
Hi - First post, I'll try to make it interesting. It is of the typical "I want to buy a pool table" variety. I have narrowed my choices down to a GC IV (probably used), a Diamond Professional, or a Brunswick Metro. I think all of these should be mainstream durable tables of high playability and longevity. My wife says "If we want furniture, we buy furniture. If we want a pool table, we buy a pool table." I love this woman!

Specific areas of interest:
- preferences among these 3
- obvious similar tables I may have missed
- specific comments on the Metro, since I have no playing time on it, in comparison to the other two
- if one stands out in either 8 ft or 9 ft (have room, haven't decided) in either good or bad ways

My assumptions and observations:
- I prefer the Diamond styling slightly above the other two, but any would be fine.
- The Diamond is all wood, the others are laminates (but so what, and laminates on what?)
- Is the slate on the Diamond Pro leveled by shims? What about the Metro? I know they have leg levelers.
- The Diamond and Metro would be new, the GC IV probably used, to put on an approximately even $$$. I've played on a GC V, but it is 9k in the 9 ft, and too new for sales / hefty discounts (according to the dealer).

I eliminated the Diamond Pro-Am since to me the ball return makes it look like a wooden bathtub, and no drop pocket version is available.

I eliminated the Olhausen Pro and any black laminate straight-apron tables since they are all ugly to my eye (for my home).

I'm talking to a local Brunswick and Olhausen dealer and cruising craigslist and the want ads.

Any advice would be welcome!
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BRUNSWICK.... NO DOUBT!!! They been doin it since 1845... and don't forget Abraham Lincoln owned a Brunswick Table;)
 
Celtic said:
I would trade my 9-foot Gold Crown IV for a diamond in a heartbeat. Gold Crowns are nicer then most but the diamond is the best players pool table that money can buy, they are built way more solid and the pockets play far better.
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Well Corey Duel, Rodney morris and most of the top pros would disagree with you. They prefer GoldCrowns over the Diamonds
 
You really can't go wrong with a GC or a Diamond pro. I own a GC4, and in my opinion they are the best playing tables around period. I really like the Diamonds a lot too. I don't like the looks of the Pro-am either. I think it looks like a big bar-box. The Diamond Pro is a sweet looking table. I like the lines, pockets, and rails better on the GC4 though. The Metro is not in the class of either. Take a look under the GC & Metro. Theres a BIG difference. For me it would come down to the deal you get on either the GC or the Pro. Unfortunatly pool rooms are going belly up at an alarming rate. There are some great deals on used tables. These tables last forever. I got 10 month old GC4 with GC4 light both in perfect shape for $3,000 from Diamonds in Bradenton, FL. It took me 2 years to find my table at that price. Be patient and you will find a deal, and again you can't go wrong with either.
 
You can't go wrong with either table.Both the Diamond and Gold Crown are fine tables.The Metro plays every bit as good as both tables,the base frame on the Metro is not the same as the Gold Crown.But same slate same cushions.I have a new Gold Crown TE with Brazilian slate and it plays as good as I need it to.I purchased a Gold Crown because I like the look and the history.
 
barker said:
Hi - First post, I'll try to make it interesting. It is of the typical "I want to buy a pool table" variety. I have narrowed my choices down to a GC IV (probably used), a Diamond Professional, or a Brunswick Metro.QUOTE]

My Diamond Pro 9 footer with 4 and 1/4" pockets is without a doubt the best table that I have ever played on.
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Referring to tables straight from the factory.... Diamond would be my choice.

Metros will give you a false sense of how well you make a ball. The pockets play HUGE and the rails are strange. If you shoot a ball down the long rail, hit the second diamond on the rail from the pocket you are supposed to miss. Not on a metro.

Of course all three are better than the current american trend of play everything on a bar box.
 
Barker,

If the table is mostly going to be a recreational tool for you and your friends, who are casual type players(ie not very good) then the GC maybe the ticket because they may enjoy running a few balls...LOL...and your friends may come back a second time. If you and your friends want your game put on 'red alert' for nearly everyshot you have then go with the Diamond Pro as it is the new standard for profession level play. Simply put the Diamond Pro is the 'players' table; well built, well designed, and very demanding.
I played for six hours yesterday on a Diamond Pro against one of my nemesis and it was pure joy and purely mentally exhausting. If I never played on anything but a Diamond for the rest of my pool life it would just fine with me...:)
In regards to your leveling questions, the Diamond I played yesterday was set-up by a good table mechenic five yrs ago and it plays like day one so have your table done right the first time, you will never regret it...enjoy
 
cheesemouse said:
casual type players(ie not very good) then the GC maybe the ticket
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This perfectly sums it up. Diamonds are tougher tables and are not for ball bangers. Ask a solid local player how they would play the ghost on a Diamond v. a GC. The player will tell you it is not the same game.
 
iba7467 said:
This perfectly sums it up. Diamonds are tougher tables and are not for ball bangers. Ask a solid local player how they would play the ghost on a Diamond v. a GC. The player will tell you it is not the same game.
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So what you are saying is - "Gold Crown's are for banger's and Diamonds are for "real" players"??
 
Diamond ProAm - low setup cost because of the one-piece slate, best bang for the buck and has a ball return, a $600 extra on a Brunswick.

But for the long haul - and more money - Gabriels Signature Pro - thicker slate, steel, no wood to warp rot or split. Also sold by Diamond.

Both Diamond and Gabriels use Artimis cushions.
 
thebighurt said:
Well Corey Duel, Rodney morris and most of the top pros would disagree with you. They prefer GoldCrowns over the Diamonds
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Reeeeeeeeeealllly, now? I'll have to ask Rodney the next time I see him why he had a Diamond Pro when he was in Spring Hill, FL, then.

:D :D :D

Russ
 
Russ Chewning said:
Reeeeeeeeeealllly, now? I'll have to ask Rodney the next time I see him why he had a Diamond Pro when he was in Spring Hill, FL, then.

:D :D :D

Russ
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Go ahead seeing how I asked Corey and Rodney the night before they played for king of the hill at the Hardrock in the final Florida tour. Rodney was a little more diplomatic about it instead of Corey but both did not really care for them. There is a difference between which table you would prefer to play on and which one would you want to practice on because they are being used in tournaments more and more.
 
Uh huh. I've personally PLAYED on Rodney's Diamond Pro at Capone's in Spring Hill. Seems like it would a little silly of him to actually buy the table if he doesn't like them.

But...whatever... :D :D :D

Russ
 
Another Brunswick Vs.Diamond pissing match.So answer this what make's one table better then the next?
China Vs. Usa..... Brazil Vs.Italian......
 
These posts ARE getting old...........:mad:

BOTH are great tables. I have played plenty on both and they both play extremely well.

YOU CAN'T GO WRONG WITH EITHER ONE..........PROVIDED THEY ARE SET UP CORRECLTY !!!!!!!!!!!!!

Some people like blondes and some like brunettes............:)


Russ........
 
My first table was a Brunswick. Nothing wrong with it except it wasn't a Diamond Pro. I never stopped wishing I'd bought the Diamond in the first place so I sold the Brunswick and bought the Diamond Pro. Never looked back. Never a second thought. Never a regret since. I absolutely love my Diamond Pro. It's a perfect pool table.. imo.

Do it right the first time because I'll betcha you'll look back with a wistful eye and say.... " I wish....... " :)
 
Gold Crown IV vs Diamond Pro-Am

I have a Diamond Pro-Am with Pro-Cut pockets (4 9/16 inch) in my house but play on Gold Crown IV's with 4 3/4 inch pockets in some pool rooms in my area. I like the Diamond better myself (just my $.02).

One thing I did notice is that the Gold Crowns are about a inch or so lower than the Diamond Pro-Am. Occasionally, I get a little back pain after playing for some time on the Gold Crowns.

Hope this helps.

Stephen
 
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