Action - EARL VS KEITH!!!

I concur that the spots earl is giving is a bit much.. I guess people are saying "Earl you are a world beater..i need more weight" As my buddy tells me all the time, when i get a bit timid on playing some one who shoots my speed or better ... MAN THE F#*$ UP and Play

Earl can still beat anyone in the world..i truly believe that in my heart. He is by far the best nine ball player in the world when he is on...but the spots i have read he is giving are a bit much to pro level players...playem even earl ..let em earn that cash
 
Does anyone know what the ageed on game is?
10-ball?
Last 3?
Winner breaks?
9-foot table?
10 ahead?
Johnnyt
 
jay helfert said:
It's more than a little strange that all of a sudden Earl is trying to be a money player again, after all these years. I feel like he has to be the underdog in all these match ups with seasoned gamblers. Who knows, maybe he will find his game again.

My read on all this, is that he just needs to find a way to make some money. His tournament fortunes are definitely on the wane. And his sponsorship evaporated long ago. What we may be seeing is someone who is "bottoming" out.
Just speculation, but is it possible that with his Cuetec sponsorship he wasn't allowed to gamble? Maybe now that he's not with Cuetec he can gamble again, and also needs to to make ends meet again.
 
arsenius said:
Just speculation, but is it possible that with his Cuetec sponsorship he wasn't allowed to gamble? Maybe now that he's not with Cuetec he can gamble again, and also needs to to make ends meet again.

That's the story I heard. Johnnyt
 
dimes33 said:
IF,IF,IF earl shows up and plays his "A" game this isnt as out of line as you think.a champion giving up the last 3 playing 10 ball isnt a lot of weight.its less than he gave bj but like i said who knows how he will show up???

The real question is which "speed or gear" each of the players show up in, not just Earl. Believe me, Keith is capable of playing close to Archer speed one week and then play 6 and the last 3 below that the next week. There is no way I could bet on this just because it's a coin toss on which player will show up on both sides...

Saw
 
Varney Cues said:
I like Keiths side. He doesn't make too many bad games.;)

You've obviously never been on the road with him! Trust me, he's a champion at making bad games....

Saw
 
The Saw said:
You've obviously never been on the road with him! Trust me, he's a champion at making bad games....

Saw
lol yea and the few times i watched him play years ago he struggled with these real good players(champions).
 
Come on now....thetre must be a few on here from NC that know if this game is on and what they agreed to. Thank you. Johnnyt
 
I dunno

But how many times do you think that Earl would turn over the 7,8, or 9 to Keith to shoot? Not hardly any, if that. When you get to a certain speed, which both are, getting the tail end balls of the rack just doesn't count for much because you never get to shoot at them.

Another way to look at it, is how many times do you think that Keith would miss after making the 6 ball and not get to the 9 ball if there was no spot?

I think the 6-8 balls are pretty irrelevant for A+ players and above. I would prefer to have games on the wire, which is a sure win, rather than a possibility of a win, depending on how good your opponent shot, and if you got to get a shot at a spotted ball to begin with.

It's pretty obvious you are not going to shoot at all, or get 1 trip to the table in this matchup per game.

I thought Earl was being sponsored by a cuemaker now? But, yeah, gambling can 'Shock' you back into your game pretty fast, providing the motivation that tournaments don't do after awhile.
 
????????

Keith went off twice to Chris Bartram at DCC last year. It was sad he looked helpless at times but he would come back with more money an do a repeat. I believe if Earl gets where he can knock off 3 or 4 of these shortstops in a row giving up weight I believe his game will jump up big time. Earl didn't used to be good he used to be great an I believe Earl still has a little left in the tank.
Pinocchio
 
Snapshot9 said:
But how many times do you think that Earl would turn over the 7,8, or 9 to Keith to shoot? Not hardly any, if that. When you get to a certain speed, which both are, getting the tail end balls of the rack just doesn't count for much because you never get to shoot at them.

Another way to look at it, is how many times do you think that Keith would miss after making the 6 ball and not get to the 9 ball if there was no spot?

I think the 6-8 balls are pretty irrelevant for A+ players and above. I would prefer to have games on the wire, which is a sure win, rather than a possibility of a win, depending on how good your opponent shot, and if you got to get a shot at a spotted ball to begin with.

It's pretty obvious you are not going to shoot at all, or get 1 trip to the table in this matchup per game.

I thought Earl was being sponsored by a cuemaker now? But, yeah, gambling can 'Shock' you back into your game pretty fast, providing the motivation that tournaments don't do after awhile.


I think Earl needs to hook his backer up with Billy Incardona. These games seem to be out of line in favor of the opponents. I would like Earl to be playing even up 9 ball and even up 10 ball. These spots, especially when you aren't used to giving up the weight can be disconcerting and he doesn't need that extra baggage.

What about some of the "gamblers" playing him some even 9 rocket?
Who wants to get into the box? Who need Billy Incardone? :D

Maybe someone like CJ would like to get in the box playing some even 9 rocket or 10 ball. Both he and Earl have been absent from the gambling arena and maybe this would be a chance for them to strengthen their individual games.

WHO ELSE WANTS TO GET IN THE BOX WITH EARL? COME ON, BELLY-UP TO THE TABLE LIKE A MAN!!!!!! WHO WANTS SOME OF EARL EVEN UP FOR $2,000 OR $10,000? (shades of JM :D )

JoeyA
 
Pinocchio said:
Keith went off twice to Chris Bartram at DCC last year. It was sad he looked helpless at times but he would come back with more money an do a repeat. I believe if Earl gets where he can knock off 3 or 4 of these shortstops in a row giving up weight I believe his game will jump up big time. Earl didn't used to be good he used to be great an I believe Earl still has a little left in the tank.
Pinocchio

I agree but I think he needs to knock them off without giving weight at least the first time.

JoeyA
 
JoeyA said:
IThese spots, especially when you aren't used to giving up the weight can be disconcerting and he doesn't need that extra baggage.
JoeyA
If you think about it, Earl is really used to giving up huge spots. Every time he misses, he rakes the table, so this shouldn't be too different.
 
if it was just a matter of Cuetec saying no gambling, then I like Earl's chances

Earl can give up greater spots to guys better than keith, come to think of it, I really like Earl's chances
 
Okay I just woke up to find that I did leave out a few KEY details...


It is going to be played on a 9-footer and the game is 9-ball. It is not going to be at Little Reno. It will be at a new pool room called Kings Street Billiards that is VERY close to Little Reno. Keith is going to be the House Pro out of Kings Street in some type of capacity. I'm sure he's been playing on the table for probably two months.

If anyone knows "Skibo" from North Carolina I know that he wants to match up with Earl on the barbox if Earl is interested. He plays real sporty on the box. Not sure if that is the correct spelling.

I'm leaning towards making some side bets on Keith but Saw's comments do have me a little apprehensive about doing so.
 
DeadPoked said:
Okay I just woke up to find that I did leave out a few KEY details...


It is going to be played on a 9-footer and the game is 9-ball. It is not going to be at Little Reno. It will be at a new pool room called Kings Street Billiards that is VERY close to Little Reno. Keith is going to be the House Pro out of Kings Street in some type of capacity. I'm sure he's been playing on the table for probably two months.

If anyone knows "Skibo" from North Carolina I know that he wants to match up with Earl on the barbox if Earl is interested. He plays real sporty on the box. Not sure if that is the correct spelling.

I'm leaning towards making some side bets on Keith but Saw's comments do have me a little apprehensive about doing so.

Keep it coming, DP. You brought lots of good stuff to this forum with Earl's last money match.

Here's the advice Earl Heisle used to give me a long time ago when I asked if I should bet. He said, "Look, why don't you keep the bet small and if you like the game, maybe next time you can boost it up a little".

You don't have to make a killing on this match or any other. The blood can run rather quick even on a small sweat wager. :D

Good luck and thanks!
JoeyA (keeps DP on AZ, on speed-surf)
 
I just got word that the match has been postponed until this Saturday. Which sucks because I go to work at 7pm on Saturday. I could go in later on but the UFC is also showing for free on TV that night and I am looking forward to seeing that as well. Sucks either way... I'll keep you guys up-to-date.
 
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