Aiming at "Center Pocket"

Do you need to know precisely where center pocket is in order to aim center pocket?

  • Nope. All you need is the general location, but precise locations of OB/CB.

    Votes: 37 39.4%

  • Of course. Anything else defies logic.

    Votes: 57 60.6%
  • Total voters
    94
Neil...Just to clarify something, Mike is EXTREMELY intelligent, and a good instructor to boot. He has posted some amazingly simple, informative video for all to use. He has done the research, and put together THE single best poolroom in the U.S., and possibly the world. Most of the things we may disagree about are merely semantics. Like I've said many times, in many of these threads, if CTE works for you, use it...if not use something else. I think that really says it all...except for the people who just have be in a pissing match with somebody...and we know who those folks are! Mike is certainly not one of them.

Scott Lee
www.poolknowledge.com

Neil said:
Mike, I'm not trying to get in any kind of argument with you here. But, I take the statement below by you to mean just what it said. That saying to don't need to know just where the pocket is exactly is an outrageous claim. In other words, false. Since a number of instructors on here teach that you can do that, then I read it as criticism of what they are teaching. If I am wrong in that, I apologize, but I don't see any way to read it any differently.
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Scott Lee said:
Neil...Just to clarify something, Mike is EXTREMELY intelligent, and a good instructor to boot. He has posted some amazingly simple, informative video for all to use. He has done the research, and put together THE single best poolroom in the U.S., and possibly the world. Most of the things we may disagree about are merely semantics. Like I've said many times, in many of these threads, if CTE works for you, use it...if not use something else. I think that really says it all...except for the people who just have be in a pissing match with somebody...and we know who those folks are! Mike is certainly not one of them.
Scott Lee
www.poolknowledge.com
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I just wish the question was worded a little different to include shots where you aren't trying for center pocket, but more of putting the OB right where you want it.

Like in safety play.

You have to know exactlly where to hit the OB ball to make it go where you want OR make the CB go where you want it, carom, Or the third ball in a 3 ball combo go center pocket. The sound of a well done 3 ball combo is sweet music.

Once you get the level of where "good enough" doesn't cut on a personal level, you will understand what making all types of shots in pool is about. Pool is not all about win/loses.

Its about pushing your limits in shot making.
 
Just following these aiming threads has shown me who not to get a lesson from and you can also tell who the more advanced instructors are...ijs
 
mikepage said:
OK

Let's simplify the question first. Imagine the object ball was the only ball on the table and you were allowed to strike the object ball with the stick --hit it right in the hole.

Now, do you have to know where the center of the hole is to be able to do this? Think about this.

The answer is yes. You don't need to know how far away it is but you DO need to know what direction it is.

Complicating the task by adding the cueball doesn't somehow change this.
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This is so incredibly simple and clear. Why are we even discussing this?
 
Neil said:
Mike has put out some good stuff, no doubt, and never said he hasn't. As to your statement as a whole- :rotflmao1::rotflmao1::rotflmao1::rotflmao1::rotflmao1:
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I take it (from all of the rotflmaos) that you believe that the majority of instructors that are trying to sell products are more articulate and helpful than Mike Page is. I disagree, because I tend to gravitate toward teaching approaches that are well-reasoned and explained with clarity. I came out to defend Mike P. because I felt he was being spoken down to as an instructor - and undeservingly so.

Still, you are entitled to your opinion, Neil, and I to mine.
 
It sounds to me like i can possibly find more instructional information on youtube by the sounds of some of these post im reading from certain people. Choose an instructor wisely :)
 
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Neil said:
... Since a number of instructors on here teach that you can do that, then I read it as criticism of what they are teaching. ...
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Neil, it depends on how an instructor presents CTE.

If he presents it as the holy grail of aiming, as the way to align the stick perfectly to center GB while knowing only the general direction of the target -- without any form of adjustment or "feel" -- then I think that instructor has opened himself to valid criticism.

However, if the instructor presents CTE as just one of many possible aiming methods, one that some people find useful for reasons X, Y, and Z, then there is no problem.

I'm ignorant of what instructors have been teaching for CTE for the past few years and how they have been presenting it. Presumably it is/was related to Hal Houle's cryptic prescription for CTE and is/was without Stan's structure of specific secondary alignment points and bridge lengths. It is understandable that an instructor would want to be -- and would want to appear to be -- up to date, fashionable, au courant. CTE has been the hottest new thing in aiming for the past several years. It's proper for instructors to learn CTE so they can (1) answer any questions about it that their students raise and (2) present it to the extent they think it could help any of their students.

A problem arises only if they are ignorant of what is really happening with CTE and, irresponsibly, present it as the gods' gift to pool players. I have no evidence of that occurring.
 
ThePoliteSniper said:
This is so incredibly simple and clear. Why are we even discussing this?
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It's really not all that simple. He said that the answer has to be a no brainer, if you were just using the cue to drive the ball at the pocket. The claim that you have to "know where the center of the pocket is" to be able to drive a ball using the aiming system "center pocket aim"...is quite redundant. I mean wouldn't you think its obvious that the center of anything, especially a pocket, is already known? That said, I don't think the op was trying to be a jackass when he started this thread by use of word play. I think he was trying to find out if a certain system was able to show proof of its claim that knowledge of the center of the pocket is unnecessary, when your aim is to get the ball there.
 
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If the location of the pocket is known, yes then you can send the objectball into the pocket. I don't know why it has to be the center of the pocket. It doesn't matter where you want the objectball to go. If you want to hit something (center pocket, left side of pocket, first diamond, second diamond or just any spot) you need to know where it is.
 
The question of center pocket....

ThePoliteSniper said:
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If the location of the pocket is known, yes then you can send the objectball into the pocket. I don't know why it has to be the center of the pocket. It doesn't matter where you want the objectball to go. If you want to hit something (center pocket, left side of pocket, first diamond, second diamond or just any spot) you need to know where it is.
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The whole thing about center pocket has thrown a lot of people off.

What was intended by the use of the term "center pocket" was precise OB control, not really "center pocket"

Because a pocket is bigger than the ball, there are many shots that will go regardless of whether or not you hit precisely where you meant to.

A better way of wording the question would be to say, do you need to know precisely where you want an OB to go, to get it there?

The answer to that is YES, you need to know precisely where you want the ball to get it there.

The answer is NO if you only want to be able to pocket the ball on a standard cut brunswick for the majority of the shots, you'll encounter.

Jaden
 
Neil said:
Mike, I'm not trying to get in any kind of argument with you here. But, I take the statement below by you to mean just what it said. That saying to don't need to know just where the pocket is exactly is an outrageous claim. In other words, false. Since a number of instructors on here teach that you can do that, then I read it as criticism of what they are teaching. If I am wrong in that, I apologize, but I don't see any way to read it any differently.
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If an instructor teaches that the target doesn't need to be located to the same degree of accuracy as the shot needs to be made (i.e., a center pocket shot doesn't require locating the center of the pocket), then they should be criticized for teaching things that defy the natural laws of the universe and that they clearly don't understand.

If that offends you, take a pill (and a high school logic class).

pj
chgo
 
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All the counterarguments are from the side of those who don't know the difference between implicit/explicit concepts. Knowing of something is all a matter of structure of concepts.

If I take my beagle to a fox hole and say "get em Pepe!". He's gonna get the fox. It may be from start of the fox-hole or in the middle of the fox hole, where I would have to dig another starting point, he's gonna get the sucker.

What defies your high school level common sense type of logic is that the idea that my cueball is like that of my dog pepe's ability to always find things which aren't directly in front of my nose. Of course I'm aware of the fox, but do I need to know of its exact location?

So, do you need to know of the pocket's center? If you play like a fish, yes.

It's kinda like the idea that the earth is round when the eyes sees flatness.
 
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