Aiming Systems - The End Justifies the Means

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Make your adjustments with speed, not be changing your aim.

I get that, but don't I also have to compensate for a thicker aim somehow? You are correct, I would be aiming while standing behind the ball, as I approach the cue ball I would in theory be lined up center ball and center pocket. If I just fade to the inside a bit, wouldn't I still be aiming center pocket, and need to adjust my aim to the edge of the pocket to allow for the technique to work?

Scott

Yes, and you always have to calibrate your angles and how the object ball is hitting the pocket. Try this - Practice for an hour and MAKE SURE to hold your position after you hit the cue ball into the object ball, and WATCH where the object ball hits the pocket EVERY TIME.

Just be concerned with the object ball after contact and make adjustments according to where the OB is hitting the pocket. If it's hitting the side your aiming at then hit it more firmly and this will make it deflect slightly more into the center of the pocket. Make your adjustments with speed, not by changing your aim.

If you're over cutting (which is rare) slow down your speed a hair and it will contact fuller with the "Touch" of Inside.
 
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We are a team.
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wow.

We wait. We are bored. (We are the world?) We are the one's that try and make sense. No, don't protest, we are bored to death, there's no denying it. Good. A diversion comes along and what do we do? We let it go to waste... In an instant all will vanish and we'll be alone once more, in the midst of nothingness!

Lou Figueroa
with apologies to
Samuel Beckett
 
wow.

We wait. We are bored. (We are the world?) We are the one's that try and make sense. No, don't protest, we are bored to death, there's no denying it. Good. A diversion comes along and what do we do? We let it go to waste... In an instant all will vanish and we'll be alone once more, in the midst of nothingness!

Lou Figueroa
with apologies to
Samuel Beckett

What is your purpose or point! Dam go heckle somewhere else. Your not asking or trying to learn, your just harassing CJ . Please leave it alone or at least this thread
 
What is your purpose or point! Dam go heckle somewhere else. Your not asking or trying to learn, your just harassing CJ . Please leave it alone or at least this thread

He can't beat CJ so he has to out word-smith him. Lou might was well invite CJ to play Words With Friends and really prove his dominance.

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wow.

We wait. We are bored. (We are the world?) We are the one's that try and make sense. No, don't protest, we are bored to death, there's no denying it. Good. A diversion comes along and what do we do? We let it go to waste... In an instant all will vanish and we'll be alone once more, in the midst of nothingness!

Lou Figueroa
with apologies to
Samuel Beckett

"We are all born mad. Some remain so."
samuel-beckett.jpg
 
great shot making and consistant ball pocketing is great body alignment

I want to give my personal experience with "aiming systems". It seems like there's many ways to aim one ball at another, just like there's many ways to aim a basketball at a hoop... a golf ball at a target... a football at a wide receiver...etc....However, there's one thing that's consistent about shooting a bow/arrow or rifle at a target.....that's the SIGHTS....without sights it would be VERY DIFFICULTY for even a master marksman to hit the target like they do. I feel like the same thing is true with my shotmaking in pool...if I don't give myself reliable Sights, I won't be a consistent ball pocketer simply because my relationship with what I'm shooting (cue ball) and the target will be slightly inconsistent.

So with this being said "What is the main issue with why the aiming system controversy seems to be such a paradox?" The main reason, in my opinion is there are two aiming LINES, one is done visually (Aiming System) and the other is done with the body (kinesthetically)" in something I will refer to as the ( ALIGNMENT SYSTEM). Some of you are using systems with two visual lines and THESE SYSTEMS DO WORK.....however, they still need to address the issue of body alignment....if your body's not in the same place every time (relative to the line of the shot) it's going to give a slightly different visual perspective....It's my opinion that the body position must FIRST be in a consistent position, to ALLOW the head to be in a consistent position, to ALLOW the visual lines you see to be consistent. Personally, this is the only way I can get the ultimate aiming system I use to be consistent as well.....I do this by using my feet as SIGHTS ... just like archery and rifle "sharpshooters", I'm very particular about feet position to give myself the best chance of hitting the target EVERY time.

The visual one is the easiest because anyone with reasonably good eyesight can connect a point of the cue ball to a point on the object ball that is correct...that means you can aim the contact points, the edge, the "ghostball", the center, a quarter, an eighth...at the object ball's quarters (or like I recommend using the cue ball quarters for your exact connection point and only aiming at the edge or center of the object ball)....and these systems like CTE does an excellent job in teaching how to do this and getting down on the ball IF the body's sights are in the same place.

I was told one time that there were like 47 aiming systems and I wouldn't doubt it. You see, the visual aiming is not the problem with why some players don't improve and find the true connection to the line of the shot. It's because they've been told that the main thing is SEEING the line of the shot when the most important thing is they feel it through a Systematic Alignment Routine.


If you look at how golf is taught you will see what I'm talking about. The line of the eyes/ball/target are ALWAYS DIFFERENT from the line created by the body. I learned how this works in detail working with Hank Haney (Tiger Wood's swing coach for 5 years) and did it with outstanding results. Then, when I left the game for a number of years it left me so recently I've had to go to great efforts to learn EXACTLY how it's done (so I can teach other's to do it). The key to my great shot making and consistant ball pocketing is great body alignment. I don't win/lose matches because of my eyes.

If you want to see an example of how this is taught in golf (even though there's several key differences) you can check it out at http://www.free-online-golf-tips.com...alignment.html/

I hope this is "food for thought" with those of you that want to get on the "fast track" in improving as quickly as you would like. You see I'm not reinventing the wheel, I'm just teaching what all other sports emphasize...just applying it to pocket billiards amplified by the teaching systems I learned in golf, tennis and martial arts.

The SYSTEMATIC ALIGNMENT ROUTINE is going to be included in my next DVD 'CJ's Advanced Pool Secrets'....however, I may speed up the process if there's enough interest and get it out right away (on line).
 
"We are all born mad. Some remain so."
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Wisdom comes with age... but sometimes age comes alone.

CJ, you are becoming increasingly cryptic and -- while I could keep this up forever -- there is no point to this babble. I asked you, a couple of times, a simple question: who are the "we" you keep referring to? (Sorry, but there is no team here.)

I thought you were here to participate in serious discussion but now see that that is not so. When asked legit questions and you can't come up with a logical answer you resort to nonsensical fortune cookie babble. I had higher hopes for you... but I'll get over it. Aloha.

Lou Figueroa
 
The SYSTEMATIC ALIGNMENT ROUTINE is going to be included in my next DVD 'CJ's Advanced Pool Secrets'....however, I may speed up the process if there's enough interest and get it out right away (on line).


Systematic Alignment Routine = Pre-Shot Routine. No?

Lou Figueroa
 
CJ,

I've used your alignment method in your dvd. I liked that. I'm right handed and right eye dominant. It made sense. Any more alignment info would be a great help. There's an interest.

Best,
Mike
 
Wisdom comes with age... but sometimes age comes alone.

CJ, you are becoming increasingly cryptic and -- while I could keep this up forever -- there is no point to this babble. I asked you, a couple of times, a simple question: who are the "we" you keep referring to? (Sorry, but there is no team here.)

I thought you were here to participate in serious discussion but now see that that is not so. When asked legit questions and you can't come up with a logical answer you resort to nonsensical fortune cookie babble. I had higher hopes for you... but I'll get over it. Aloha.

Lou Figueroa

You are clever, everyone can clearly see that....most people, Lou, don't know nearly as much about pool as they think they do.
 
I am loving this thread and the other one as well. The reason is because we FINALLY have a champion player bringing together the mechanics of the game with the feeling of the game from his perspective. Not only that CJ was a champion with the road victories and tournament victories to prove it but he was also a successful entrepreneur. For me this means he has brawn and brains.

Yes some champions are wrong about the actual physics. But there is a very good reason why scientists study world class athletes and not the other way around. World class athletes actually do the amazing physical actions that scientists would like to understand and explain. The only reason we as humans bother to break down every human action into it's component parts is so that we can someday duplicate it mechanically or figure out how to program ourselves or each other into doing it.

Why do we invent drugs to regulate mental states? Because we think that there is an "optimal" state of being that is conducive to performance and if we modulate our brain into that optimal state we can then achieve peak performance.

So with that in mind scientists study both behavior and performance to attempt to understand and categorize WHY things happen and how they happen. Using this information engineers then attempt to recreate the results.

So I personally am glad that CJ is here and attempting to describe how it feels to play pool from a champion's perspective. Almost none of us who have been here a long time have ever been championship caliber nor do we know what it feels like to look at pool from that level. Sure we can see the patterns, we know the strategies, we understand the physics, we know what we SHOULD do. But we are not battle hardened, we have not competed against other world class players in long sessions for more money than teachers make in a year, we have not prevailed time and again against full fields of champions in short set formats.

No, we occasionally dabble in gambling and we occasionally enter tournaments where we occasionally play champions and we MOSTLY get out asses handed to us by those champions and we occasionally eke out a victory against one of them. So it's fair to say that we definitely DO NOT know what it means to see a shot like a pro, we definitely do not know what it means to hit a shot like a pro because, WE ARE NOT PROS. Now we can act like there isn't much difference because after all we all put our pants on the same and we all have to shit no matter who you are.

But in fact the difference is probably an order of magnitude rather than a few percentage points. As in a professional player is not just 10% better than a very good amateur, he is 10x better. This is a bitter pill to swallow for players who are pretty good, players who are the top in their league, who hold their own gambling against most locals, who fare decently in regional events, it's a great wound to pride to think that another player isn't just two balls better but is 6 balls better in reality.

Now, maybe I am just projecting my own feelings onto this but somehow I doubt it. My friend Ilona Bernhardt, probably the greatest female player to give up the game, once said to me that most players way overestimate their ability. They think of themselves as good as their best day and not as what their average is. I can agree with that even though I certainly have no proof to back it up.

With that in mind professional players are the top dogs who are ALWAYS looking down because they are at the pinnacle. They describe the world from a place most of can never go and will never go even if we had the time to try. So I am grateful when they stop by and give us some insight from that perspective in exactly the same way I devour what leaders in business have to say and what the best leather workers have to say.

And I am particularly grateful to CJ Wiley for sticking it out and fading the heckling. It's hard to sift through to find the actual instruction and this post won't help on that score but I want to express my opinion anyway.

Yesterday I played with the inside touch more and with the aiming away from center pocket, I use CTE to line up and then adjust ever so slightly coming into the shot. I have to say that I can only imagine that this is how Efren must feel because in all honesty it FEELS like this opens the pocket up hugely. Just using CTE I feel like I am always lined up for a center pocket shot but as I have said before this carries with it the downside that ANY stroke error is huge and it becomes very easy to throw the ball OFF the center pocket line. So the aim is dead on and your stroke MUST be perfect.

With CJ's method I feel that I don't have to be dead perfect on the stroke because I have just increased the size of the target. Whether or not this is geometrically true or not the perception as you coming into the shot and the results speak for themselves. So I don't really care if the "math" is right. I don't play using math. I play by seeing a shot and taking it. I use any method that I learn to do this and if I like that method I keep it and make it second nature. So with that in mind I am so glad that CJ has been willing to give it up because if it works for him it's worth it for me to try. And so far this one is a keeper.

Thank you CJ, hopefully someday our paths will cross and I can buy you a wheatgrass smoothie!
 
I aim at different sides of the pocket by adjusting my left foot

CJ,

I've used your alignment method in your dvd. I liked that. I'm right handed and right eye dominant. It made sense. Any more alignment info would be a great help. There's an interest.

Best,
Mike

What I've noticed being overlooked is to properly align our bodies to a Pocket Billiard shot we have to recognize we have TWO sides to our bodies. Most people that I've worked with understand how to set the right side of their bodies (in right handed), but neglect the left side.

The only way to set a foundation for both sides is to concentrate on feet position. I firmly believe it's best to set the left foot parallel to the "Line of the Shot". This is the only way to set it precise enough to get sense of how you can connect the "Line of the Shot" to the body.

I aim at different sides of the pocket by adjusting my left foot INSTEAD of my upper body. Changing or tampering with upper body angles is NOT something I would recommend. Once you create the proper upper body angles for YOUR stroke I would suggest you make a commitment to instilling them "in stone".
 
Based on this post I will share something that happened early in my pool career. When I started I teamed up with a very good local player who taught me the game. Early on we both went to the US open for my first exposure to professional pool to see these players in action. When I asked him what I should observe, he told me, to watch their feet, that I would learn more by seeing how pros setup to the shot with their feet than anything else.

That was many many moons ago, and it is good to see that he placed me on the right path then.

Thanks CJ for your insights to this game.

What I've noticed being overlooked is to properly align our bodies to a Pocket Billiard shot we have to recognize we have TWO sides to our bodies. Most people that I've worked with understand how to set the right side of their bodies (in right handed), but neglect the left side.

The only way to set a foundation for both sides is to concentrate on feet position. I firmly believe it's best to set the left foot parallel to the "Line of the Shot". This is the only way to set it precise enough to get sense of how you can connect the "Line of the Shot" to the body.

I aim at different sides of the pocket by adjusting my left foot INSTEAD of my upper body. Changing or tampering with upper body angles is NOT something I would recommend. Once you create the proper upper body angles for YOUR stroke I would suggest you make a commitment to instilling them "in stone".
 
It was a Game. The Master Game!

I am loving this thread and the other one as well. The reason is because we FINALLY have a champion player bringing together the mechanics of the game with the feeling of the game from his perspective. Not only that CJ was a champion with the road victories and tournament victories to prove it but he was also a successful entrepreneur. For me this means he has brawn and brains.

Yes some champions are wrong about the actual physics. But there is a very good reason why scientists study world class athletes and not the other way around. World class athletes actually do the amazing physical actions that scientists would like to understand and explain. The only reason we as humans bother to break down every human action into it's component parts is so that we can someday duplicate it mechanically or figure out how to program ourselves or each other into doing it.

Why do we invent drugs to regulate mental states? Because we think that there is an "optimal" state of being that is conducive to performance and if we modulate our brain into that optimal state we can then achieve peak performance.

So with that in mind scientists study both behavior and performance to attempt to understand and categorize WHY things happen and how they happen. Using this information engineers then attempt to recreate the results.

So I personally am glad that CJ is here and attempting to describe how it feels to play pool from a champion's perspective. Almost none of us who have been here a long time have ever been championship caliber nor do we know what it feels like to look at pool from that level. Sure we can see the patterns, we know the strategies, we understand the physics, we know what we SHOULD do. But we are not battle hardened, we have not competed against other world class players in long sessions for more money than teachers make in a year, we have not prevailed time and again against full fields of champions in short set formats.

No, we occasionally dabble in gambling and we occasionally enter tournaments where we occasionally play champions and we MOSTLY get out asses handed to us by those champions and we occasionally eke out a victory against one of them. So it's fair to say that we definitely DO NOT know what it means to see a shot like a pro, we definitely do not know what it means to hit a shot like a pro because, WE ARE NOT PROS. Now we can act like there isn't much difference because after all we all put our pants on the same and we all have to shit no matter who you are.

But in fact the difference is probably an order of magnitude rather than a few percentage points. As in a professional player is not just 10% better than a very good amateur, he is 10x better. This is a bitter pill to swallow for players who are pretty good, players who are the top in their league, who hold their own gambling against most locals, who fare decently in regional events, it's a great wound to pride to think that another player isn't just two balls better but is 6 balls better in reality.

Now, maybe I am just projecting my own feelings onto this but somehow I doubt it. My friend Ilona Bernhardt, probably the greatest female player to give up the game, once said to me that most players way overestimate their ability. They think of themselves as good as their best day and not as what their average is. I can agree with that even though I certainly have no proof to back it up.

With that in mind professional players are the top dogs who are ALWAYS looking down because they are at the pinnacle. They describe the world from a place most of can never go and will never go even if we had the time to try. So I am grateful when they stop by and give us some insight from that perspective in exactly the same way I devour what leaders in business have to say and what the best leather workers have to say.

And I am particularly grateful to CJ Wiley for sticking it out and fading the heckling. It's hard to sift through to find the actual instruction and this post won't help on that score but I want to express my opinion anyway.

Yesterday I played with the inside touch more and with the aiming away from center pocket, I use CTE to line up and then adjust ever so slightly coming into the shot. I have to say that I can only imagine that this is how Efren must feel because in all honesty it FEELS like this opens the pocket up hugely. Just using CTE I feel like I am always lined up for a center pocket shot but as I have said before this carries with it the downside that ANY stroke error is huge and it becomes very easy to throw the ball OFF the center pocket line. So the aim is dead on and your stroke MUST be perfect.

With CJ's method I feel that I don't have to be dead perfect on the stroke because I have just increased the size of the target. Whether or not this is geometrically true or not the perception as you coming into the shot and the results speak for themselves. So I don't really care if the "math" is right. I don't play using math. I play by seeing a shot and taking it. I use any method that I learn to do this and if I like that method I keep it and make it second nature. So with that in mind I am so glad that CJ has been willing to give it up because if it works for him it's worth it for me to try. And so far this one is a keeper.

Thank you CJ, hopefully someday our paths will cross and I can buy you a wheatgrass smoothie!

I appreciate what I just read and I'm glad that you feel I'm helping you connect to the Game in a different way.
 
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Wisdom comes with age... but sometimes age comes alone.

CJ, you are becoming increasingly cryptic and -- while I could keep this up forever -- there is no point to this babble. I asked you, a couple of times, a simple question: who are the "we" you keep referring to? (Sorry, but there is no team here.)

I thought you were here to participate in serious discussion but now see that that is not so. When asked legit questions and you can't come up with a logical answer you resort to nonsensical fortune cookie babble. I had higher hopes for you... but I'll get over it. Aloha.

Lou Figueroa
It would take too long to get into the WE on CJ'S side. Your side, not that long.
 
JB Cases:
I don't really care if the "math" is right.
What math? You keep mentioning it, but I haven't seen any. If you're calling appeals to simple reason "math", then I think you're creating a strawman to gain the sympathy of those who dislike math.

The only math-like content I've seen is the claim of increasing the margin of error, which is pseudo-math.

pj
chgo
 
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an easy, reliable way to sychronize this consistently in your "pre shot routine"

Systematic Alignment Routine = Pre-Shot Routine. No?

Lou Figueroa

You do it "pre shot", and it emphasizes the body's connection to the Game through relationships. I show an easy, reliable way to sychronize this consistently in your "pre shot routine".

I call this the "Systematic Alignment Routine". Feet, legs, hips, for the lower body foundation and chest, shoulders, arms and wrist for upper body synchronization. The result is your full body synchronized to the cue, which transfers to Cue Ball, which is reflected into your Game. Hitting the Cue Ball accuratly every time is a result of a chain reaction of positive habits....physical and mental. 'The Game is the Teacher'
 
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