Thanks again. I'm waiting for the mailman as we speak.
Aiming With Feel - The "Visual Touch" System
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Thanks again. I'm waiting for the mailman as we speak.
There's another eyesight issue--there are players who struggle because they stand in the wrong place while erect to gauge the next shot. You can point it out to them and without proper drills they still stand to one sight and pick the wrong aim target--they are in a bad way before they even bend to shoot.
The best starting point is to establish a consistent reference between the cue ball and object ball. Center (cue ball) to Center (object ball) and Center (cue ball) to Edge (on the same side you're contacting the shot) is ideal from my experience.
All "aiming systems" use the center and edge for reference points although they utilize them differently. Body alignment is the key in every way, shape and form.
CJ you must have written a million words since you came on here and I must have scratched my head a thousand times reading them, but the way you just worded this post a light just came on. I think I understand where this whole CTE thing points to now, and I can definitely see how you can apply TOI to this concept, and how it applies to the way I've always shot as well.
Off to the table now to check some stuff out.
1) Willingness to believe 2) Belief through experience 3) Faith
Once you start "clicking" with TOI you will gain the necessary momentum. Learning, like many things in life, takes a positive start. The problem with trying to learn something you may not believe is there's a serious mental "road block" that usually can't be avoided.
The rule is we must "be willing to believe" before we can actually believe something works....that's why some of my "dislikers" will never "real eyes" the benifits of my more advanced techniques.
The process to learn ANYTHING new in life is:
1) Willingness to believe
2) Belief through experience
3) Faith
There are few exceptions to this process, and as stated, this applies to nearly all new learning in any imaginable category.
'The Game is Our Teacher'
CJ you must have written a million words since you came on here and I must have scratched my head a thousand times reading them, but the way you just worded this post a light just came on. I think I understand where this whole CTE thing points to now, and I can definitely see how you can apply TOI to this concept, and how it applies to the way I've always shot as well.
Off to the table now to check some stuff out.
Once you start "clicking" with TOI you will gain the necessary momentum. Learning, like many things in life, takes a positive start. The problem with trying to learn something you may not believe is there's a serious mental "road block" that usually can't be avoided.
The rule is we must "be willing to believe" before we can actually believe something works....that's why some of my "dislikers" will never "real eyes" the benifits of my more advanced techniques.
The process to learn ANYTHING new in life is:
1) Willingness to believe
2) Belief through experience
3) Faith
There are few exceptions to this process, and as stated, this applies to nearly all new learning in any imaginable category.
'The Game is Our Teacher'
The secret is dominant position.......
Not right over the stick!
The only way your eye should be right over the stick is if you have ocular vision. Shoot with only one eye.
Sounds like you are probably left eye dominant and didn't know it. By trying to keep your right eye over the stick your making things as bad as they can get. Lucky for you that your left eye if dominant, is over riding your manual malfunction.
I'd bet money on it.
If your counting on the pointing or circle test to decide which eye is dominant it doesn't work. Your eye doctor will tell you that also.
Doc Hutch that shoots in New Orleans with JoeyA helped me really understand the complete picture about all this eye business and how it all works from a medical standpoint.
Better yet give me a call and I will help you find out what eye is dominant for sure and when we get done you will know for sure to because you will see it with your own eyes.
I will also do the Perfect Aim phone lesson with you for FREE. Just be by a pool table and call me after 2:00 PM central and before 6:00 PM.
I will show you the most important thing you will ever learn in your life in regards to shooting pool.
All I ask is that you share this info with some of your local friends and help them also.
Fair enough. 715-563-8712 Looking forward to your call.........
Not right over the stick!
The only way your eye should be right over the stick is if you have ocular vision. Shoot with only one eye.
Sounds like you are probably left eye dominant and didn't know it. By trying to keep your right eye over the stick your making things as bad as they can get. Lucky for you that your left eye if dominant, is over riding your manual malfunction.
I'd bet money on it.
If your counting on the pointing or circle test to decide which eye is dominant it doesn't work. Your eye doctor will tell you that also.
Doc Hutch that shoots in New Orleans with JoeyA helped me really understand the complete picture about all this eye business and how it all works from a medical standpoint.
Better yet give me a call and I will help you find out what eye is dominant for sure and when we get done you will know for sure to because you will see it with your own eyes.
I will also do the Perfect Aim phone lesson with you for FREE. Just be by a pool table and call me after 2:00 PM central and before 6:00 PM.
I will show you the most important thing you will ever learn in your life in regards to shooting pool.
All I ask is that you share this info with some of your local friends and help them also.
Fair enough. 715-563-8712 Looking forward to your call.........
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Very true....
Unless they really think it will help they will fall back to the old way of doing it real quickly.
Like CJ says you have to believe that it will help.
Once they really understand that they have to do this to play better they might make the effort on a regular basis.
Unless they really think it will help they will fall back to the old way of doing it real quickly.
Like CJ says you have to believe that it will help.
Once they really understand that they have to do this to play better they might make the effort on a regular basis.
"If it feels right, it's probably wrong"
I definitely agree with you on proper head position....the problem I see most often is players not understanding how to go from upright to "down on the ball" position without changing the angle of the head/vision.....this is what takes the most practice and patience. From my experience the feet must be in the same position relative to the line of the shot to set the upper body angles properly....and this isn't "natural".
"If it feels right, it's probably wrong"
I definitely agree with you on proper head position....the problem I see most often is players not understanding how to go from upright to "down on the ball" position without changing the angle of the head/vision.....this is what takes the most practice and patience. From my experience the feet must be in the same position relative to the line of the shot to set the upper body angles properly....and this isn't "natural".
"If it feels right, it's probably wrong"
Something that I now has as a help is a image of a seabird or a plane that goes in for landing. Nose up and tail low. Do a search on Youtube etc to get the image if you have a hard time picture it in your head.
See 3 lines, 2 sides and 1 in the middle = Center to Edge or Center to Center, like a road.
See the shot from above, "see the angles" and go down into the shot holding the head up and let the butt "back" into the posture and let the head follow it down. In this position I get to see both the angle and the contact point.
For me I see the similarities in many instructions that lead to the easiest way to get down, look for the "inside" angle when you are getting down.
There is so many ways to get the feel of it, see who is doing it, if you know what to look for imo. CJ has said this in so, so many ways - cred to you CJ for doing and trying your hart out to find a way to explain the way you see/feel it. Geno you are in my book also.
Do take a look at the "oldies", Fats, Mosconi etc, take a look at the 3 c guys, Snooker. See how they "aim" and how they go down (or stand straight up, (search for Fats old instructional vid on Youtube) for the shot.
I still have a lot to learn about this game - "thank god" :smile:! But when "I´m in the mood for it" I can play the game so, so easy. No shot is hard if you think of it as easy....
Let´s face it, even a stopshot when you begun was hard, now it´s easy - why? We have trained to do it. Same as a "hard" cut shot. The portion of the CB that hits the OB is the same.
Load your mind with possible things and you will see a great impact in your game, impossible - well just another way of possible things you can chose from, don´t lead to much growing though...
TOI, imo is a system, - just like CJ says. There are many pieces of a puzzle and each piece is just as important. TOI (or CJ´s explanations) in my case has helped me to "connect the dots" in several ways. Ways that I have been aware of but didn´t look at them in the same way, like deflection. Use it, be friends with it. - It will always be there....
I have no tournament record to show my skills or similar, I do however enjoy this game to the fullest and "when I want to" - I can play preeeeettttttty handy
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Win - loose, miss - hit. fall - walk... Enjoy the road and know that you can always learn from everything.
Please do comment, ask if there is something I might have a answer to. I´m no instructor "by the book" but pool and everything that you need to learn has it´s similarities and when you see that you already have a looooooot of knowledge yourself and can "connect the dots" I am more than positive that you will find a way to make this game a lot more easy to play.
Take care
Chrippa
See 3 lines, 2 sides and 1 in the middle = Center to Edge or Center to Center, like a road.
See the shot from above, "see the angles" and go down into the shot holding the head up and let the butt "back" into the posture and let the head follow it down. In this position I get to see both the angle and the contact point.
For me I see the similarities in many instructions that lead to the easiest way to get down, look for the "inside" angle when you are getting down.
There is so many ways to get the feel of it, see who is doing it, if you know what to look for imo. CJ has said this in so, so many ways - cred to you CJ for doing and trying your hart out to find a way to explain the way you see/feel it. Geno you are in my book also
.Do take a look at the "oldies", Fats, Mosconi etc, take a look at the 3 c guys, Snooker. See how they "aim" and how they go down (or stand straight up, (search for Fats old instructional vid on Youtube) for the shot.
I still have a lot to learn about this game - "thank god" :smile:! But when "I´m in the mood for it" I can play the game so, so easy. No shot is hard if you think of it as easy....
Let´s face it, even a stopshot when you begun was hard, now it´s easy - why? We have trained to do it. Same as a "hard" cut shot. The portion of the CB that hits the OB is the same.
Load your mind with possible things and you will see a great impact in your game, impossible - well just another way of possible things you can chose from, don´t lead to much growing though...
TOI, imo is a system, - just like CJ says. There are many pieces of a puzzle and each piece is just as important. TOI (or CJ´s explanations) in my case has helped me to "connect the dots" in several ways. Ways that I have been aware of but didn´t look at them in the same way, like deflection. Use it, be friends with it. - It will always be there....
I have no tournament record to show my skills or similar, I do however enjoy this game to the fullest and "when I want to" - I can play preeeeettttttty handy
.Win - loose, miss - hit. fall - walk... Enjoy the road and know that you can always learn from everything.
Please do comment, ask if there is something I might have a answer to. I´m no instructor "by the book" but pool and everything that you need to learn has it´s similarities and when you see that you already have a looooooot of knowledge yourself and can "connect the dots" I am more than positive that you will find a way to make this game a lot more easy to play.
Take care
Chrippa
it's like "the tail wagging the dog
Yes, the "butt hand" should control the tip ....or it's like "the tail wagging the dog".
Yes, the "butt hand" should control the tip ....or it's like "the tail wagging the dog".
Something that I now has as a help is a image of a seabird or a plane that goes in for landing. Nose up and tail low. Do a search on Youtube etc to get the image if you have a hard time picture it in your head.
See 3 lines, 2 sides and 1 in the middle = Center to Edge or Center to Center, like a road.
See the shot from above, "see the angles" and go down into the shot holding the head up and let the butt "back" into the posture and let the head follow it down. In this position I get to see both the angle and the contact point.
For me I see the similarities in many instructions that lead to the easiest way to get down, look for the "inside" angle when you are getting down.
There is so many ways to get the feel of it, see who is doing it, if you know what to look for imo. CJ has said this in so, so many ways - cred to you CJ for doing and trying your hart out to find a way to explain the way you see/feel it. Geno you are in my book also
Do take a look at the "oldies", Fats, Mosconi etc, take a look at the 3 c guys, Snooker. See how they "aim" and how they go down (or stand straight up, (search for Fats old instructional vid on Youtube) for the shot.
I still have a lot to learn about this game - "thank god" :smile:! But when "I´m in the mood for it" I can play the game so, so easy. No shot is hard if you think of it as easy....
Let´s face it, even a stopshot when you begun was hard, now it´s easy - why? We have trained to do it. Same as a "hard" cut shot. The portion of the CB that hits the OB is the same.
Load your mind with possible things and you will see a great impact in your game, impossible - well just another way of possible things you can chose from, don´t lead to much growing though...
TOI, imo is a system, - just like CJ says. There are many pieces of a puzzle and each piece is just as important. TOI (or CJ´s explanations) in my case has helped me to "connect the dots" in several ways. Ways that I have been aware of but didn´t look at them in the same way, like deflection. Use it, be friends with it. - It will always be there....
I have no tournament record to show my skills or similar, I do however enjoy this game to the fullest and "when I want to" - I can play preeeeettttttty handy
Win - loose, miss - hit. fall - walk... Enjoy the road and know that you can always learn from everything.
Please do comment, ask if there is something I might have a answer to. I´m no instructor "by the book" but pool and everything that you need to learn has it´s similarities and when you see that you already have a looooooot of knowledge yourself and can "connect the dots" I am more than positive that you will find a way to make this game a lot more easy to play.
Take care
Chrippa
CJ... I'd think running the cue through your fingers, as you turn into the shot, is a good way to align your body. As you turn, the cue alignment along the line of the shot, becomes apparent.
When the cue aligns up with both balls.. both your feet.. and your head.. are almost in the same position every time. It seems to work for me... but then, maybe you do it much differently.
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understanding your feet position relative to the "line of the shot"
That's a great way to establish your upper body position, however, you can do that from various stances......I always recommend understanding your feet position relative to the "line of the shot" as well. The feet are the foundation of each and every shot so it's advantageous to consistently place them (when possible).
That's a great way to establish your upper body position, however, you can do that from various stances......I always recommend understanding your feet position relative to the "line of the shot" as well. The feet are the foundation of each and every shot so it's advantageous to consistently place them (when possible).
you're definitely on one side or the other.
It's tough to see the exact center every time, that's another reason to favor the inside (or outside) of the cue ball.....it's easier to see you're definitely on one side or the other.
It's tough to see the exact center every time, that's another reason to favor the inside (or outside) of the cue ball.....it's easier to see you're definitely on one side or the other.
.it's just easier and "easy" equates to more consistency.
Of course I can find center, just like I can find the center of the highway......however, I still favor the right or left lane.....it's just easier and "easy" equates to more consistency. 'The Game is the Teacher'
Of course I can find center, just like I can find the center of the highway......however, I still favor the right or left lane.....it's just easier and "easy" equates to more consistency. 'The Game is the Teacher'
CJ.. Just wondering about what you recommend for someone to understand their feet position.
Do you think your rear foot should be directly below the cue, when it's on the "line of the shot?"
make sure that the left side of your body is set properly and consistently
Usually the point is more toward the center of the right foot (with the foot at 45 degrees to the "line of the shot").
Equally important is to set the left side of your body consistently, and this done using your left foot - I recommend aligning it parallel to the line of the shot at first. You can close it a bit if it's uncomfortable, however, make sure it's at that angle EVERY DAY....this is to make sure that the left side of your body is set properly and consistently. I see a LOT of players haphazardly setting their left foot and they don't "real eyes" that it effects their entire body (relative to the line of the shot), and their upper body angles are unstable.
Usually the point is more toward the center of the right foot (with the foot at 45 degrees to the "line of the shot").
Equally important is to set the left side of your body consistently, and this done using your left foot - I recommend aligning it parallel to the line of the shot at first. You can close it a bit if it's uncomfortable, however, make sure it's at that angle EVERY DAY....this is to make sure that the left side of your body is set properly and consistently. I see a LOT of players haphazardly setting their left foot and they don't "real eyes" that it effects their entire body (relative to the line of the shot), and their upper body angles are unstable.