all i wanna know is ..why????

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lorider

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i am goinna try this again because no body is addressing the question in particular.

i don't wanna know you don't like slop.. understandable

i don't wanna know about sandbagging...goes on in every league

i don't wanna know about rules... to each his own

i just wanna know why every time an issue comes up about apa every one comes out bashing every thing about the entire organization but yet the same issue " or worse" comes up on here about bcapl no body and i mean nobody on here says shit about it.

all i wanna know is why no body says anything when shit happens in bcapl but yet you jump all over apa when shit happens in it.

why ??
 
bcapl sucks as well.... As a matter of fact, I thought APA was better then BCAPL, but overall they all suck ass.

You should create another thread asking this... just in case...
 
Icon of Sin said:
bcapl sucks as well.... As a matter of fact, I thought APA was better then BCAPL, but overall they all suck ass.

You should create another thread asking this... just in case...
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nah ... i am good . 2 for me today is a lot. if people had answered that question in the other thread instead of saying everything under the sun why they don't like apa i woulda never started this one.
 
lorider said:
i am goinna try this again because no body is addressing the question in particular.

i don't wanna know you don't like slop.. understandable

i don't wanna know about sandbagging...goes on in every league

i don't wanna know about rules... to each his own

i just wanna know why every time an issue comes up about apa every one comes out bashing every thing about the entire organization but yet the same issue " or worse" comes up on here about bcapl no body and i mean nobody on here says shit about it.

all i wanna know is why no body says anything when shit happens in bcapl but yet you jump all over apa when shit happens in it.

why ??
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well, I don't know anything about bcapl or napa...can't help you here, sorry. I only know that I do not like the rules of play for apa and therefore am not a member.
 
lorider said:
all i wanna know is why no body says anything when shit happens in bcapl but yet you jump all over apa when shit happens in it.

why ??
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Because most people that have been long time players feel that they have played in leagues and grown tired of playing the same people for years and have the invariable situation that they do not like a lot of the people in those leagues.... it's inevitable.

The format is for beginners in APA (any pocket anytime) so its an easy target for ridicule and scorn. It serves beginners... people know this and yet they harp on it ad infinitum. If you are an APA League Operator, you take crap constantly, not only from people that have grown jaded and weary of the format, but from newbs that have no clue what they are talking about.

I sincerely believe that there are more people than one might logically and reasonably believe, that actually join leagues so they can be a pain in the arse to everyone... it is their destiny. This does not help to improve the situation at all.

SO there ya go. That is why there is an instant conflagration any time someone wants to have a discussion about unicorns, flying ponies or Leagues.

Champagne wishes and caviar dreams!

Lesh
 
Pool Leagues In General

I live in Maryland and I've seen a few rooms close in the past 2 years. Without Leagues be it APA, BCA TAP or whatever League we would probably have nearly no pool rooms in Maryland. People can bad mouth them all they want but...They Keep Rooms Open...with their business be it the rooms share of the weekly fees, food and beverage sales, or whatever! Sure they have their flaws but they are good for pool and also bring new people into the sport in my opinion!

Wedge
 
It stands to reason that you will hear more complaints about the APA than the BCAPL simply because of the numbers involved. There are more APA players out there so there will be more people to state their opinion, bad or otherwise. But, you will find often in life people speak of the bad more than the good.
 
lorider said:
i am goinna try this again because no body is addressing the question in particular.

i don't wanna know you don't like slop.. understandable

i don't wanna know about sandbagging...goes on in every league

i don't wanna know about rules... to each his own

i just wanna know why every time an issue comes up about apa every one comes out bashing every thing about the entire organization but yet the same issue " or worse" comes up on here about bcapl no body and i mean nobody on here says shit about it.

all i wanna know is why no body says anything when shit happens in bcapl but yet you jump all over apa when shit happens in it.

why ??
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Personally, I love all the pool leagues in the USA :thumb up:
I just don't play in any of them...
 
apa

you must be an apa operator or something because it seems you're taking this personally ...

I stated quite clearly in my response to your other post why apa is so bad (they really do bring it on themselves) but i'll expound on my answer here to try and help you understand these complaints...

you're right other leagues have issues too....BUT...

when there's an issue with bca or pioneer or the other leagues they are usually incidental in other words they are individual occurrences that happen from time to time...that are usually addressed and fixed.

the problems with apa are systemic in nature...they are the same problems that occur over and over again and are completely ignored by those with the power to fix them.

In my apa region for example, the league operation continuously manipulate player ranks so that his favorite teams always get to vegas,,,doesn't pay the people running the league matches for him...and other things of that dirt bag nature...and our complaints to the national office fall on deaf ears.....

so i say to apa if you want to look for the reason you get bashed on a daily basis you need only look in the mirror,,,
 
The APA is a business, for $15,000 you could have your own league and run it in the ground like some APA LO's. Or you could operate one that does great! Dairy Queen is also franchised and one that is closest to me is shit. Does that mean all are? (Maybe) The problem is with guidance from the home office in how to effectively run one. It is the largest pool league in the nation and makes money, that is what is important to corprate and the LO's. Why should they care about pool players when the bottom line is the dollar?
 
I can tell you why, but I bet you already know the answer to your question, at least subconsciously.

Mostly, it's just posturing.

It's the "act pro" mindset that causes people puff up their chests and proclaim
how superior they are to other people. Applies to many topics on many forums all over the internet.
It's personal insecurity manifesting itself as an AZB post.

See if you spot a pattern - the same guys who bash APA as a kiddie league for
casual players... are often the guys who dumped 8-ball as a kiddie game and always
play 9-ball, because supposedly it's just too easy to run out in 8-ball.
Even though they can't do it even 10% of the time.

And I'm sure several of them moved on to 10-ball, because 9-ball was just too easy,
even though they can't run out more than twice a night.
They're also the guys who tell you that we need a bigger table and smaller pockets,
because pool is just so easy that they've mastered it, and they're starting to get bored.

Those are the guys who need their league to be SO PRO.
Or think all leagues are for children.

A few people maybe just had a bad experience. But I can almost guarantee that's
because they came into it with a poor understanding of what they were getting into.
They had the wrong mindset.

Wrong mindset = "We will make the most powerhouse team we can, play serious matches
with other strong players, hopefully dominate, win back all the weekly dues we paid,
go to vegas, and have a shot at making thousands."

Better (or more realistic) mindset = "I am doing this as a form of personal entertainment.
Once a week I hang out with all my friends and we can play pool that is slightly more serious
than just hitting balls with my buddies. There's a small and completely random chance
we'll get lucky and win back some money but either way, 8-12 bucks for a night out
with friends is OK."
 
This OP has a problem and its not in the form of any of these questions. So keep asking whywhywhy as it wont answer your question.

Also how do leagues with NO-handicap sandbag?
 
warriorpoet62 said:
you must be an apa operator or something because it seems you're taking this personally ...

I stated quite clearly in my response to your other post why apa is so bad (they really do bring it on themselves) but i'll expound on my answer here to try and help you understand these complaints...

you're right other leagues have issues too....BUT...

when there's an issue with bca or pioneer or the other leagues they are usually incidental in other words they are individual occurrences that happen from time to time...that are usually addressed and fixed.

the problems with apa are systemic in nature...they are the same problems that occur over and over again and are completely ignored by those with the power to fix them.

In my apa region for example, the league operation continuously manipulate player ranks so that his favorite teams always get to vegas,,,doesn't pay the people running the league matches for him...and other things of that dirt bag nature...and our complaints to the national office fall on deaf ears.....

so i say to apa if you want to look for the reason you get bashed on a daily basis you need only look in the mirror,,,
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no i am not an apa lo.

as for the frequency of issues arising let me say there are 4 times as many apa members than there are bcapl members so its logical that apa could have more issues arising. how ever if you take into consideration the point i am trying to make the ratio could be skewed as far as this forum goes.

like i have stated you bring up on this forum an apa issue it causes a firestorm. you bring up a bcapl issue on here and not much is said. so if you take 40 pages of an apa captain cheating at the nationals vs 4 pages of a bcapl lo cheating at the nationals it stands to reason more people will hear of an apa incident than a bcapl incident which was a more serious incident due to a lo involved.

let me give you an example of the point i am trying to make.

jayden comes on here with a negative experience involving big daddys. the owner of big daddys responds back in a negative way. several posters defend big dady because they like him..never mind he was in the wrong.

now i have come on here praising the owner of hi pockets quite a few times .if he had responded to a jayden in that way i would have told him he was wrong even though i like him a lot and think he is the best room owner ever. i said as much in that thread.

what has that got to do with this thread you ask ? same situation as what i see going on in apa vs bcapl.

if a room owner you like or happen to frequent does something wrong stand up and say so.

if a league you play in or like does something wrong stand up and say so. don't turn a blind eye to things that go wrong in your league and bash another when the same incident happens in it.
 
btown said:
This OP has a problem and its not in the form of any of these questions. So keep asking whywhywhy as it wont answer your question.

Also how do leagues with NO-handicap sandbag?
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yea i got a problem.:grin:

its pretty much a known fact that the majority of posters on this forum who play league prefer bcapl over apa. that in itself is not a problem. my self.. i like all leagues including bcapl.

it gets tiring that these posters jump in any thread that has apa in its title and bash away but yet turn a blind eye and don't say shit when the same or worse happens in their league.
 
well i guess i proved my point. no one wants to address the hypocrisy that goes on this forum concerning certain leagues.

no one wants to state why they will contribute to 40 pages of an apa captain cheating at the nationals .. YET SAY NOTHING WHEN A BCAPL LO CHEATS AT THEIR NATIONALS.

no one wants to state why they add a chit load of pages to an apa issue of an apa captain telling a player to add a few innings ... YET SAY NOTHING WHEN A BCAPL CAPTAIN FALSIFIES A SCORESHEET ON A MATCH THAT DID NOT HAPPEN.

i could give more incidents but whats the point. you can't debate with crickets who will not address the issue.
 
lorider said:
yea i got a problem.:grin:

its pretty much a known fact that the majority of posters on this forum who play league prefer bcapl over apa. that in itself is not a problem. my self.. i like all leagues including bcapl.

it gets tiring that these posters jump in any thread that has apa in its title and bash away but yet turn a blind eye and don't say shit when the same or worse happens in their league.
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I believe it is because of Mark Griffin. He often addresses issues right here on the forums so you have a clear idea why Mark makes the decisions he makes. I might not agree with all his views but I respect how much he seems to care for the game. He is the face of the bcapl.

The APA has little to no presence here. There is no one from APA corporate that identifies themselves and discusses any issues so members are left to speculate and assume why decisions are made. There is no face of the APA on the forums.
 
CB Jones said:
I believe it is because of Mark Griffin. He often addresses issues right here on the forums so you have a clear idea why Mark makes the decisions he makes. I might not agree with all his views but I respect how much he seems to care for the game. He is the face of the bcapl.

The APA has little to no presence here. There is no one from APA corporate that identifies themselves and discusses any issues so members are left to speculate and assume why decisions are made. There is no face of the APA on the forums.
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i have the utmost respect for mr. griffin my self.

maybe you are correct about his appearance on this forum combined with the respect a lot of people have for him makes them afraid to speak out when things go wrong with bcapl.

the truth of the matter is mr. griggin does not have the authority over the goings on at the local level as much as apa has from the national office over the local lo's.

mr. griffin himself stated on here that lo's can pretty much run the leagues any way they want as long as the dues are paid.

what are the negatative consequences to that you ask. it leaves the door wide open for him to ensure his team makes the nationals.

take this scenario. a bcapl lo is allowed to play on a team in playoffs and at the national level. at the local level bcapl allows 2 masters on a team but not at the nationals.

apa lo's are not allowed to play in playoffs or nationals. 2 masters are not allowed on a team... at least not in my area.

again my gripe is not about any particular league vs another. my gripe is about posters on here who throw stones living in a glass house.
 
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