That is actually the APA rule.
am i being a dousche
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That is actually the APA rule.
You make a lot of assumptions here. I think your understanding of the situation sounds a little...argumentative to say the least.
Couple of things to be aware of: This is not the BCA he was talking about. The rules of who can play or not are different. There is a ghost rule in some areas. He already pointed out the the other captain was unwilling to play the match at all. We don't know if they covered the idea of playing some of the matches and making the rest up later. Maybe they talked about this. Maybe no one though about it. He waited until 8:15 (45 minutes) to give the guy a chance to decide what to do. They could have had matches going in that time. As for his tag line, I always thought that poster was funny. He probably did too. You have no idea if that represents his attitude toward pool. Do you know the OP? I doubt you do. In any case, importance is a relative term, by definition. You may not think league pool is important. You don't have to. But it is a big deal for some people. Maybe that's the funnest thing they have going on in their life, and they really love it. For some people, league pool *is* important, whether or not you wish to respect that.
You should get more info and perhaps consider you viewpoints before you hammer someone with an under-informed post like yours. Also, just FYI, I have observed in life that people who tell other people what things are or are not important are typically self centered people. I don't know if you are, but I could easily make that assumption from your post.
KMRUNOUT
douchey?
hey why have rules if you are not going to honor them. bad weather? well the captain could have called you and just postponed. of course you could have had a compromise with him when his people didnt show but at that point rules is rules and if you stick to your side of "right" you'll be known as the hardass "*****" or some other pseudonym. so pick your options. i dont know what i would have done b/c i wasnt there, but i do believe in the policies that govern leagues - unfortunately most of us tend to bend those rules over and over thus diluting what those rules are about; essentially maintaining a level playing field for all to compete. discipline, honor, and respect go along with the rules. IMHO
hey why have rules if you are not going to honor them. bad weather? well the captain could have called you and just postponed. of course you could have had a compromise with him when his people didnt show but at that point rules is rules and if you stick to your side of "right" you'll be known as the hardass "*****" or some other pseudonym. so pick your options. i dont know what i would have done b/c i wasnt there, but i do believe in the policies that govern leagues - unfortunately most of us tend to bend those rules over and over thus diluting what those rules are about; essentially maintaining a level playing field for all to compete. discipline, honor, and respect go along with the rules. IMHO
Did snow knock out the guys phone? Is there *any* reason the captain couldn't have just said they can't come and will need to do a make up match before like 7pm? The weather is totally irrelevant. This is not about whether or not he had a justifiable reason to cancel. This is about the irresponsible way he chose to deal with this situation. If there is anything at all that might interfere with my teams ability to show up on time for our match, I call the other captain or the club they play at, and let them know. This is adult 101 type stuff. Don't get distracted by the red herring of the snow storm. It doesn't matter. If all phones and cell phones were rendered inoperable, that would be a different story. That was likely not the case. We haven't heard yet if the original poster or his opponent thought of or considered with each other any possible resolutions to the situation on site. Either way, though, acting like a responsible adult should not be too much to ask of a league that requires its members to be over the age of 21.
KMRUNOUT
You make an important point here. If the weather is too bad to come to pool, wouldn't it be EXTRA important to make sure the other team knew ahead of time that you were not going to play, so they didn't have to risk their safety coming out in the bad weather?
Sorry but there is just no reasonable way to take the other side in this.
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KMRUNOUT
Thanks for the support here
KMRUNOUT
Thanks for the support here
Because this isn't a pro sports team. Its a bunch of guys getting together to compete and have a good time. Perhaps it would have been better handled if either captain checked with the other, but neither did, so why does one have to rely on winning by default. Winning on the merits is much more credible.
Perhaps it is taken too seriously?
Why? What is "too seriously" to you? Is that just because you are "better than a league player"?
I take my commitement to my team seriously, enough to make it a point to be there or make sure they know about it in plenty of time to account for it. It's completely dis-respectful of the other players on your own team, and the players on the team you are about to face. It says their time isn't as valuable as your own. People make plans, arrange for child care, arrange work schedules.... any number of different reasons. Not necessarily just sitting around saying "should I play league tonight or stay home?"
I take league seriously enough to avoid all that. I look forward to it all week. If you're aren't committed to doing something, why do it at all?
I bet the weather was just as bad for the people on the OP's team as it was for his opponent. Yet The OP's team somehow made it.
- Play the 3 players that showed up. Reschedule the remaining matches.
- Win on the table not by the rule book.
- If you are going to demand a forfeit during a snow storm, does the person who unfortunately dies in an automobile accident on the way to league in the middle of a snow storm get an automatic win?
- Finally, no pool game is worth someone's life.
- Life is easier when one develops and uses common sense.
When in doubt see #2 and #4. If it's still not clear apply #5
Just my opinion.
True on all accounts.
Add #6: In the event of bad weather, communicate with the other team to make sure the match is still on. Apply Numbers 1 through 5 at that point.
Wow yeah. If u don't live here you don't know the weather its was bad but stoughton is fanatical about sbow removal so the road were more then adaquet for driving. Being lazy and wanting to stay home by the fire shouldn't be the reason this whole thing starts.
I agree to disagree with you. Good luck on your league night. Play hard!!
I play a town away in Brockton and the entire league stayed home last night. It wasn't safe everywhere. You're making assumptions by saying they are lazy.
Kerry, you do make some good points but, this is league pool and stuff does happen. It's happened to me before too. I just rescheduled and we played a double-header on a different night. If people don't feel safe I am not going to bash their heads in because I chose to get in my car and drive.
I practiced for a couple of hours and called it a night.
But hey, that's just me.
I agree with this post 100%
Play what you got and re-schedule the rest.
In our area, that is what we do all the time when weather becomes an issue. The only exception is in the final week or playoffs.
Leagueguy
on time
I dont care what the weather is like, you know if you are not going to be able to make it on time if at all, I am not talking about emergencies either those come up and we can not control them but a lack of communication between the captain and his team does not constitute me giving him anything especially if he wants to act like an @ss...
I dont care what the weather is like, you know if you are not going to be able to make it on time if at all, I am not talking about emergencies either those come up and we can not control them but a lack of communication between the captain and his team does not constitute me giving him anything especially if he wants to act like an @ss...
I was taught a long time ago that the unwritten rules is that if you have to ask, then you've already answered your own question.
Situations arise when you have to deal with people, and some of those people are going to do the unexpected at the worst time. That's life. When you have the balls to make a decision - or if you are in a position where you have the responsibility to make decisions, chances are that not everybody will agree with it. Unavoidably, you will eventually end up getting called a douche. I look at it like this, being a douche isn't always a bad thing, its an occupational hazard.
What is your leagues' rules on forfeitures, doubling up, and re-scheduling matches?
Please correct me if I get the situation wrong.
As team captain, one of your responsibilities is to get enough people to play the matches. Its not your responsibility to follow-up on the other team members to show up on a scheduled match time. As courtesy, the other team captain could've told you before the start of the match. It doens't sound like he extended that courtesy, and then tried to shift his failure to you.
After 75 minutes past the the scheduled match time of 7 PM, the other captain asked to re-schedule. As captain its you're duty to evaluate the offer, review against the league rules and protect your team's interest. In my league, forfeiture is the penalty for being 20 minutes late past the scheduled match. If my league if people show up, then you're required to play, otherwise its a match forfeiture.
When he didn't get his way, he chose not to play the 3 matches and left? If there are no league penalties, then it was a smart decision on his part. Otherwise, its another bad decision and he was being the douche by misplacing guilt and blame on you. That's bad sportsmanship in my book.
Please correct me if I get the situation wrong.
As team captain, one of your responsibilities is to get enough people to play the matches. Its not your responsibility to follow-up on the other team members to show up on a scheduled match time. As courtesy, the other team captain could've told you before the start of the match. It doens't sound like he extended that courtesy, and then tried to shift his failure to you.
After 75 minutes past the the scheduled match time of 7 PM, the other captain asked to re-schedule. As captain its you're duty to evaluate the offer, review against the league rules and protect your team's interest. In my league, forfeiture is the penalty for being 20 minutes late past the scheduled match. If my league if people show up, then you're required to play, otherwise its a match forfeiture.
When he didn't get his way, he chose not to play the 3 matches and left? If there are no league penalties, then it was a smart decision on his part. Otherwise, its another bad decision and he was being the douche by misplacing guilt and blame on you. That's bad sportsmanship in my book.
Why ask if you are being a douche and then every time someone says you are, you feel the need to interject some contrary opinion.
Shut up and shoot? reall classy yes, you're being a douche. God bless you if you never ever have a problem in the future with anything.
And lastly in the great words of Dufunny, "What'll make ya laugh, ull make ya cry" Just remember that for the time when you need a saver.
Shut up and shoot? reall classy yes, you're being a douche. God bless you if you never ever have a problem in the future with anything.
And lastly in the great words of Dufunny, "What'll make ya laugh, ull make ya cry" Just remember that for the time when you need a saver.
I think most people would agree that it is common courtesy to let the other team know if you will be short players. I always try to call the other captain if I know ahead of time that we will be short players.
With that being said, I have only seen a couple forfeits ever, and it was always taken by the biggest nits/douches....just saying.
It's funny, because it seems that the better the player, the less they care about all the nit picking rules and whatnot. Don't get me wrong, there are some real douches out there that play good, but I see a lot more lower level players complaining about rules and such.
Should the OP maybe be upset at the situation...yes. Would I make the same post asking if I was a douche...no.
With that being said, I have only seen a couple forfeits ever, and it was always taken by the biggest nits/douches....just saying.
It's funny, because it seems that the better the player, the less they care about all the nit picking rules and whatnot. Don't get me wrong, there are some real douches out there that play good, but I see a lot more lower level players complaining about rules and such.
Should the OP maybe be upset at the situation...yes. Would I make the same post asking if I was a douche...no.