Am I correcting for squirt without knowing it?

cjssecrets4u2 said:
There's ways to apply english other than cuing the ball to one side of center or the other.....there's a shot I've made in competition where I cut the ball at a 30* angle to the right and make the cue ball go straight left after contact. Maybe I should show that one on my first AZ BILLIARDS Video...anyone interested?
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yep.......
 
cjssecrets4u2 said:
There's ways to apply english other than cuing the ball to one side of center or the other.....there's a shot I've made in competition where I cut the ball at a 30* angle to the right and make the cue ball go straight left after contact. Maybe I should show that one on my first AZ BILLIARDS Video...anyone interested?
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nothing wron with that

Sloppy Pockets said:
That may be a valid point, but I never aim in the conventional sense so it would be hard to check. In fact, even ghost ball messes me up. I look at the pocket, the OB, see the shot line and try to get down on it correctly (that's where I blow it I suspect). After that I only see the OB as the intersection of two lines, kinda like the pin in a door hinge. I focus on those lines and try to hit the CB exactly where i want to hit it (I'm pretty sure I look at it last). I have no idea how this works. There may be better ways, but I never learned them and now they'd only confuse me. Feel works best for me, but I won't malign others who believe in and use aiming systems. It's only a freaking game after all.

The whole idea of using the diamond to aim at is that it is a physical point that I can sight, not like a contact point on the OB. From my perspective, I hit it dead on. I should have close to half an inch of CB deflection (yes, CJ, I hate "squirt", but everybody uses it here) over that distance. Seems I'd see that pretty easily.

Besides, I have done that MOFU-whatever drill hundreds of times. Left, right or center ball hit, I always hit the center diamond on the foot rail without consciously adjusting for squirt. I'm sure I do it, but I don't know how or when I do it.

The human brain is simply amazing, eh?
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Yes the human brain is like a super computer.You aim with your brain,your brain takes input from your eyes and tells your arm what to do.Also it takes feedback from your arm and eyes(assuming your eyes are open hehe).

Nothing wrong with you aiming system or non-system or non aiming system.If I had never picked up a Predator I would be pocketing balls the same way you do.

Some custom cues with 1 piece shaft have much less deflection then say a production cue with a 1 piece maple.This is true at least for softer shots in my experience.
 
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Neil said:
yep.......
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I'm just kidding, cutting the ball to the right and making the cue ball go left would happen naturally ;) I'm going to cut the ball to the right and make the cue ball go RIGHT immediately (without touching anything but air/bed cloth)....this would be much more impressive, don't you agree? :idea:
 
cjssecrets4u2 said:
I'm just kidding, cutting the ball to the right and making the cue ball go left would happen naturally ;) I'm going to cut the ball to the right and make the cue ball go RIGHT immediately (without touching anything but air/bed cloth)....this would be much more impressive, don't you agree? :idea:
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Right of what, the tangent line? Or are you talking about making it almost look like it went straight through the ob and basically stayed on the same course it was on? Even I can do that one.

What I want to see is you hitting on the left side of the cb and getting right spin on it. Or hitting dead center on the cb and getting left or right spin on it.
 
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Neil said:
Right of what, the tangent line? Or are you talking about making it almost look like it went straight through the ob and basically stayed on the same course it was on? Even I can do that one.

What I want to see is you hitting on the left side of the cb and getting right spin on it. Or hitting dead center on the cb and getting left or right spin on it.
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I'm sure you've read my last post by now....and yes, I'll show you how to hit in the exact center and produce left OR right spin on it....these things I believe will make interesting topics for my new 'The Game is the Teacher' series...I obviously can't show these things in writing, but AZ is giving me the opportunity to do it all ON VIDEO.....stay tuned, it's coming soon :thumbup:
 
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cjssecrets4u2 said:
I'm sure you've read my last post by now....and yes, I'll show you how to hit in the exact center and produce left OR right spin on it....these things I believe will make interesting topics for my new 'The Game is the Teacher' series...I obviously can't show these things in writing, but AZ is giving me the opportunity to do it all ON VIDEO.....stay tuned, it's coming soon :thumbup:
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Careful, CJ. I've posted some strokes like this I learned from pros like you and the townspeople came after me with torches and pitchforks! :D Blasphemy...the science guys will not be pleased.

Best,
Mike
 
cjssecrets4u2 said:
There's ways to apply english other than cuing the ball to one side of center or the other.....there's a shot I've made in competition where I cut the ball at a 30* angle to the right and make the cue ball go straight left after contact. Maybe I should show that one on my first AZ BILLIARDS Video...anyone interested?
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It is well known that if you play a 30-degree cut shot with "good" draw the cue ball will (curve some and then) go along a line perpendicular to the cue stick. I assume you mean something else, but that appears to be what you are saying above.

(Dr. George Onoda wrote about this in 1989 in a article in this set of his articles: http://www.sfbilliards.com/onoda_all_txt.pdf )
 
cjssecrets4u2 said:
... I'm going to cut the ball to the right and make the cue ball go RIGHT immediately (without touching anything but air/bed cloth)....this would be much more impressive, don't you agree? :idea:
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Yes, to do it consistently is very impressive. I think Caudron is one of the best on this shot. He shoots it without hesitation and with perfect speed control.

Perhaps the most impressive single shot I've seen like this was by someone shooting a spot shot. He managed to make the object ball and drew the cue ball straight back up the center of the table (along the long string, which is often partially marked for spotting balls) about a foot.
 
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bob, can you draw that one on cuetable or something? I'm baffled. The way it reads is, he's shooting a spot shot from the kitchen, makes it, and after contacting the OB, the cue ball travels directly north along the centerline.

About the best I managed without masse is to not touch the foot rail and whip the CB to the side rail and back towards the head spot or a little below.
 
Bob Jewett said:
Yes, to do it consistently is very impressive. I think Caudron is one of the best on this shot. He shoots it without hesitation and with perfect speed control.

Perhaps the most impressive single shot I've seen like this was by someone shooting a spot shot. He managed to make the object ball and drew the cue ball straight back up the center of the table (along the long string, which is often partially marked for spotting balls) about a foot.
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Who is "Caudron" ?.... I've never even heard that name, is he a trick shot shooter or professional player?

I found him....yes, very impressive http://www.caudron.info/english/index.php
 
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CreeDo said:
bob, can you draw that one on cuetable or something? I'm baffled. The way it reads is, he's shooting a spot shot from the kitchen, makes it, and after contacting the OB, the cue ball travels directly north along the centerline.
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For an examples of 1/2-ball-hit (and other angle) draw shots, see the diagrams in the following article:
"Draw Shot Cue Ball Directions" (BD, December, 2011)​

The CB changes direction by 90 degrees (i.e., takes a pure right or left turn) with a 1/2-ball hit, good action draw shot.

I hope that helps,
Dave
 
dr_dave said:
For an examples of 1/2-ball-hit (and other angle) draw shots, see the diagrams in the following article:
"Draw Shot Cue Ball Directions" (BD, December, 2011)​

The CB changes direction by 90 degrees (i.e., takes a pure right or left turn) with a 1/2-ball hit, good action draw shot.

I hope that helps,
Dave
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Are you elevating your cue to achieve this action? If so, what angle?
 
dr_dave said:
No, but again, the 90-degree turn is relative to the CB's original line, not the centerline of the table.

Regards,
Dave
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Hmmm, then you're not talking about making the cue ball take the opposite path as what appear's natural. In other words you're not cutting the ball to the right and making the cue ball go right as well?
 
dr_dave said:
CJ,

I'm not sure what shot you are referring to, but here are two ways I know how to have the CB go in the same direction as the cut OB:

A level-cue draw shot is not one of them.
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FYI, the following two videos show examples of these types of shots:

Regards,
Dave
 
CreeDo said:
bob, can you draw that one on cuetable or something? I'm baffled. The way it reads is, he's shooting a spot shot from the kitchen, makes it, and after contacting the OB, the cue ball travels directly north along the centerline.

About the best I managed without masse is to not touch the foot rail and whip the CB to the side rail and back towards the head spot or a little below.
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The way you read it is correct. It was a masse or half-masse shot. Efren is said to be able to shoot a spot shot and get the cue ball to stop dead near the spot.

I think the easiest situation to learn the "cue ball goes the wrong way" technique is with Mosconi's ring-around-the-side draw drill. See Diagram 1C in http://www.sfbilliards.com/articles/2001-04.pdf
 
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dr_dave said:
FYI, the following two videos show examples of these types of shots:

Regards,
Dave
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Yes, it's the "after collision" Masse' ....I've never heard that term, but still getting used to the word "squirt" :smile: ....this type of Masse' can be useful to learn, and like many things there's a trick to it "begin with the end in mind" is how Steven Covey would describe it.
 
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