******** Amazing Ginacue with Big Gambling History********

jmurphy

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Here is your Chance to own an amazing Ginacue with Big Time Gambling History. This is Archie "The Greek" Karas's Ginacue. Archy made Las Vegas history by winning & losing Millions Dollars playing Poker and Craps. Archy went on the Beat Poker Great & Casino Executive Bobby Baldwin out of more than 1 Million Dollars with this very Ginacue.

Archie's History

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Archie_Karas

PS: Mr. "X" = Bobby Baldwin :thumbup:

OK to the Ginacue

Weights & Measurements

Cue: 58"
Butt: 15.2oz / 29"
Shafts:
1. 4.0oz. / 12.75mm / Ivory Ferrule / 29"
2. 3.9oz. / 12.63mm / Ivory Ferrule / 29"

Description

This cue is in the Blue Book of Cues valued at $7,500
I'll let the photos speak for the rest.

Price:
$7,500 including 2 X 4 George case Price reduction $6,900
 

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I remember Archie Karas, I recall a story where he had every single $1000 chip (not positive of the denomination) of a casino in his safe deposit. They had to contact him and cash some of his stash to accomidate other patrons.
 
What an ultra cool Gina............would look nice next to a couple of mine, but I am buying a house.

JimmyK
 
This Gina is very beautiful. I have a question. The design looks old school but it seems to have a modern Gina logo. Was this cue redone by Ernie?

Thanks!

--Jeff
 
Masirib5 said:
This Gina is very beautiful. I have a question. The design looks old school but it seems to have a modern Gina logo. Was this cue redone by Ernie?

Thanks!

--Jeff
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As far as I know this cue is 100% original condition. I believe this cue was made around 1990.
 
jmurphy said:
As far as I know this cue is 100% original condition. I believe this cue was made around 1990.
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Yes, I think you are right. Ernie made a few of these barbell cues in his 2nd generation (with the present logo like Archie's cue has) as a cue maker. This cue is ever so slightly different from the first generation barbell Ginas, Ernie ran the veneers deeper into the dots in his more modern variety, like they are on Archie's cue.

Also the earlier models (pre-CNC) the maple butt blocks were actually each 3 pieces, shaped to surround the inlays and dropped in like jig-saw pieces. In Archie's cue, Ernie was probably looking out the window while his super-trick CNC drilled out the channels (not really, he hovers over that CNC like a hawk with his hand on the "stop" button).

I suppose you could look inside the joint at the butt end and PM me the numbers (or call Ernie yourself) and we could know for sure, but 2nd generation and around 1990 sounds right to me.

Here's a first generation (1960s) example so you can see the difference (minutia I know, but cue collecting is all about the details isn't it?):

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Great cue,

Kevin
 
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kvinbrwr said:
Yes, I think you are right. Ernie made a few of these barbell cues in his 2nd generation (with the present logo like Archie's cue has) as a cue maker. This cue is ever so slightly different from the first generation barbell Ginas, Ernie ran the veneers deeper into the dots in his more modern variety, like they are on Archie's cue.

Also the earlier models (pre-CNC) the maple butt blocks were actually each 3 pieces, shaped to surround the inlays and dropped in like jig-saw pieces. In Archie's cue, Ernie was probably looking out the window while his super-trick CNC drilled out the channels (not really, he hovers over that CNC like a hawk with his hand on the "stop" button).

I suppose you could look inside the joint at the butt end and PM me the numbers (or call Ernie yourself) and we could know for sure, but 2nd generation and around 1990 sounds right to me.

Here's a first generation (1960s) example so you can see the difference (minutia I know, but cue collecting is all about the details isn't it?):

praise2.jpg


Great cue,

Kevin
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Thanks Kevin. Your cue is a beauty also.

--Jeff
 
kvinbrwr said:
Yes, I think you are right. Ernie made a few of these barbell cues in his 2nd generation (with the present logo like Archie's cue has) as a cue maker. This cue is ever so slightly different from the first generation barbell Ginas, Ernie ran the veneers deeper into the dots in his more modern variety, like they are on Archie's cue.

Also the earlier models (pre-CNC) the maple butt blocks were actually each 3 pieces, shaped to surround the inlays and dropped in like jig-saw pieces. In Archie's cue, Ernie was probably looking out the window while his super-trick CNC drilled out the channels (not really, he hovers over that CNC like a hawk with his hand on the "stop" button).

I suppose you could look inside the joint at the butt end and PM me the numbers (or call Ernie yourself) and we could know for sure, but 2nd generation and around 1990 sounds right to me.

Here's a first generation (1960s) example so you can see the difference (minutia I know, but cue collecting is all about the details isn't it?):

praise2.jpg


Great cue,

Kevin
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Hey Kevin thanks for the information :thumbup:
 
I remember meeting Archie before his big win
he tried to match up with me for $500 pr game,
at the time he was sleeping in his car

After his first score and subsequent dice play,i heard he was playing every day at the horseshoe for $1,000,000 each time

I remember thinking ,how long can this go on before he is broke again

The last time I ran into him at Freddie's Cuetopia,he was trying to get me to stake him to play craps with the added benefit that he would show me how to play

I noticed that his sleeping quarters sported a liscence plate

Since then I occasionally hear stories about Archie that stretch the imagination,
but it reminds me of the dangers of gambling

When John Wright won his first $20,000 playing the slots,I warned him of the future consequences and repeatedly scolded him for continuing to play,right up to the last when family and fortune had been squandered

This cue ,while nice enough on its own,takes on a certain historic place in the annals
of pool and gambling lore,mixed with myth and hyperbole, the truth and the search for truth behind the saga of Archie should provide years of conversation to its new owner

best wishes with your sale
 
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I'm assuming (so please tell me if I'm wrong on any of this)

that Archie is alive

and that you are selling this cue for him ?

The problem with "famous cue" provenance is so many players used multiple cues and then sold them as "theirs". Mosconi comes to mind, the guy would get cue makers to give him cues so the great Mosconi would use their product. He'd show up to exhibitions with a different cue each time and then sell "his" cue to a fan, and of course, pocketed the money. Because of actions like this, famous guy cues often don't hold as much allure to collectors as sporting equipment from other venues.

Again, assuming Archie is alive and has a stake in this sale, I think his cause might be much advanced if he was willing to have a picture taken with the cue and write a letter stating this was the cue he used to pound 1.2M out of Bobby Baldwin and start his incredible run to glory.

This is a great cue.

Thanks

Kevin
 
kvinbrwr said:
I'm assuming (so please tell me if I'm wrong on any of this)

that Archie is alive

and that you are selling this cue for him ?

The problem with "famous cue" provenance is so many players used multiple cues and then sold them as "theirs". Mosconi comes to mind, the guy would get cue makers to give him cues so the great Mosconi would use their product. He'd show up to exhibitions with a different cue each time and then sell "his" cue to a fan, and of course, pocketed the money. Because of actions like this, famous guy cues often don't hold as much allure to collectors as sporting equipment from other venues.

Again, assuming Archie is alive and has a stake in this sale, I think his cause might be much advanced if he was willing to have a picture taken with the cue and write a letter stating this was the cue he used to pound 1.2M out of Bobby Baldwin and start his incredible run to glory.

This is a great cue.

Thanks

Kevin
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Archie is alive and well :thumbup:
I will pass on a request that he write a letter up, have it notarized and take a photo with the cue.
 
jmurphy said:
Archie is alive and well :thumbup:
I will pass on a request that he write a letter up, have it notarized and take a photo with the cue.
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While you are at it, having the girl in your avatar deliver the cue, the letter and the photo might also help the sale.

Kevin
 
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