American 14.1 Straight Pool Championship (Oct 24-29), Norfolk, Winner $10K

Bob Jewett

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FB stream are just bad compared to YT. Horrible player, cannot rewind while live stream, chats difficult to read, url does not work for public if not set properly, no easy playlist etc etc
That's all true, plus all the scam artists that infest the cesspit that is FaceBook. But what are you going to do? People insist on streaming on it.
 

pwd72s

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That's all true, plus all the scam artists that infest the cesspit that is FaceBook. But what are you going to do? People insist on streaming on it.
Maybe go back to youstream? I quit streams when it required signing up to faceplant...I get enough anal probing from a prostate exam.
 

7stud

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Why can I not go back and find the 1st part of Corey and Darrens match?
I look and can only find it starting at 64 - 36 Corey.
You can watch the entire match on facebook:


You are able to rewind the replays--just not the live stream for some reason.

In the early stages, watch for Cory shooting a below the rack break ball with draw that jumps off the table without touching the break ball.
 

The_JV

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What foul do you see?
I don't bother sweating ref calls. Sometimes they go in your favour. Other times they do not.

I understand the subject matter on AZB generally revolves around "what's the best tip" and "What cue has the best feel" so something like a ref being horrible and screwing Corey over would be more entertaining.
 

westcoast

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I don't bother sweating ref calls. Sometimes they go in your favour. Other times they do not.

I understand the subject matter on AZB generally revolves around "what's the best tip" and "What cue has the best feel" so something like a ref being horrible and screwing Corey over would be more entertaining.
what's interesting is that the call kind of screwed Darren more than Corey considering he would have likely ran that rack out and who knows what more beyond that.

I agree- call is over with and not really worth debating, but quite odd
 

Bob Farr

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What time do they start today? And PLEASE, Where is the link to watch the matches?
Thank you very much in advance!
 

SmoothStroke

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I would agree generally, but alternating between reds and colours makes snooker easier for casual fans to follow. With 14.1, if you don’t know the game, it can look a bit haphazard and random. It doesn’t help when commentators struggle to predict the players patterns. And that is common, because I feel like many commentators are trying to apply classical 14.1 thinking to 9 ball players who have a more unorthodox approach. Personally, I’d hate to commentate 14.1. because the players would make me sound silly.

The 1950's are over. Todays players are running balls like water, combining old school and a lot of new school.
They move the cue ball with no fear. They play end racks and key balls which many consider bad play, reckless,
unorthodox. They get on balls from anywhere on the table, I think they laugh when they hear the ''Triangle".
!!Oh!!, and their patterns suck according to the experts, they are doing it wrong.

The short strokers are playing a different style compared to the mid/long strokers and that's obvious, they always did always will. I've noticed the long strokers have been shortening it up the last few years, they're learning.
I don't know how many matches remain but I would bet not many old schoolers are in the mix.
I'm partial to short strokers as I think that is the best way to strike the cue ball.

I credit Thorsten for the style of play we are seeing today, to me he is overall the best at the game.
There are 100 monsters popping off high runs with many saying they don't know how to play, maybe they don't.
The new players who don't know how to play are kicking the ass of players who play the old game.
It's a new world of straight pool, the commentators should let go of yesterday and move on.
It's great they know the traditional game, so do I, whoopy do.
That and a nickel gets you on a ferry in 2022, they're looking like fools on the stream.
 

JusticeNJ

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I don't follow Euro pool that closely - isn't 14.1 part of the Eurotour (or some other regular event in Europe)?

I thought Niels mentioned that a lot of the European contingent have a soft spot for 14.1 because they are used to playing it in competition somewhat regularly.

Whereas in the US, there's one 14.1 tournament per year - at most.
 

The_JV

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what's interesting is that the call kind of screwed Darren more than Corey considering he would have likely ran that rack out and who knows what more beyond that.

I agree- call is over with and not really worth debating, but quite odd
I was going to add exactly that. Corey was not the victim in this situation
 

JusticeNJ

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The 1950's are over. Todays players are running balls like water, combining old school and a lot of new school.
They move the cue ball with no fear. They play end racks and key balls which many consider bad play, reckless,
unorthodox. They get on balls from anywhere on the table, I think they laugh when they hear the ''Triangle".
!!Oh!!, and their patterns suck according to the experts, they are doing it wrong.

The short strokers are playing a different style compared to the mid/long strokers and that's obvious, they always did always will. I've noticed the long strokers have been shortening it up the last few years, they're learning.
I don't know how many matches remain but I would bet not many old schoolers are in the mix.
I'm partial to short strokers as I think that is the best way to strike the cue ball.

I credit Thorsten for the style of play we are seeing today, to me he is overall the best at the game.
There are 100 monsters popping off high runs with many saying they don't know how to play, maybe they don't.
The new players who don't know how to play are kicking the ass of players who play the old game.
It's a new world of straight pool, the commentators should let go of yesterday and move on.
It's great they know the traditional game, so do I, whoopy do.
That and a nickel gets you on a ferry in 2022, they're looking like fools on the stream.
The commentary on Ortmann's matches in the 1980s would make you think he was the absolute worst 14.1 player the world had ever seen.

Except the commentary is about a match where he beat the Miz to win the US Open.
 

jay helfert

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Things are happening in the Norfolk pool scene right now, with the International 9-Ball Open just around the corner. I will be there for the last three days. Please come up and say hi if you see me there. Just tell me your screen name so I know who you are ;).
 

skip100

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The commentary on Ortmann's matches in the 1980s would make you think he was the absolute worst 14.1 player the world had ever seen.

Except the commentary is about a match where he beat the Miz to win the US Open.
Most of these commentators should watch, learn, and reflect on what they're seeing along with the rest of us rather than try to read the players' minds.

Mike Sigel's commentary was an interesting contrast. Instead of trying to pigeonhole the player into one preferred (old school) runout, he talked about the pros and cons of different options. When the player hit a great shot, he told us why it was a great shot rather than immediately trying to predict the next one.

There is more to 14.1 commentary than what balls the player are going to hit next.
 

jay helfert

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Johnny Ervolino was absurdly good at this in his commentary for the West v Zuglan match at the 92 US Open.

He called Dallas pattern like 8 balls ahead.

But Johnny is gone and Dallas’ style of play is not what you’ll see most likely.
Johnny was a pool genius. He knew shots that other pros were completely unaware of. His knowledge of playing balls out of the pack is unmatched in my lifetime. He could absolutely "read" the pack and see where balls were going depending on how he hit it. The best Straight Pool player out of New York, and even the mighty Miz wouldn't play him for any serious cash.
 
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