American 14.1 Straight Pool Championship (Oct 24-29), Norfolk, Winner $10K

Welder84

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Did someone say, Peter Ebdon? Many of today's players are quick except in really tough situations. Like Ronnie. Compare and contrast:


As for 14.1, it's possible to use a shot clock. Maybe they should.
The player on the right appears to be slow playing his opponent on purpose. I can understand looking at a couple different shots, but chalking doesn't take 60 seconds. 😂
 

arnaldo

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I'm happy for them to talk about the players' options and the pros and cons of different patterns, but they do seem to love the phrasing of "he'll do X next" and then are very often wrong.
Interesting to we'uns old enough to remember, when any 14.1 commentator -- possessed with a Grady-level of experience -- would say "he'll do x next" referring to one of that era's full-fields of competitively well-seasoned 14.1 players at the table . . . he'd be absolutely correct more than 90 percent of the time.

Can't reliably predict what even world-class rotation players will do most of the time until the unique, essential, and optimal logic of 14.1 has fully entered their fund of rack navigation instincts. And with good reason, that can't happen when they're only exposed to major 14.1 competitions once or twice a year. The quite understandable mindset is "Why practice 14.1 intensely when the prize money lies elsewhere (in many dozens of tempting rotation tournaments)".

Arnaldo
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JusticeNJ

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Interesting to we'uns old enough to remember, when any 14.1 commentator -- possessed with a Grady-level of experience -- would say "he'll do x next" referring to one of that era's full-fields of competitively well-seasoned 14.1 players at the table . . . he'd be absolutely correct more than 90 percent of the time.

Can't reliably predict what even world-class rotation players will do most of the time until the unique, essential, and optimal logic of 14.1 has fully entered their fund of rack navigation instincts. And with good reason, that can't happen when they're only exposed to major 14.1 competitions once or twice a year. The quite understandable mindset is "Why practice 14.1 intensely when the prize money lies elsewhere (in many dozens of tempting rotation tournaments)".

Arnaldo
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Johnny Ervolino was absurdly good at this in his commentary for the West v Zuglan match at the 92 US Open.

He called Dallas pattern like 8 balls ahead.

But Johnny is gone and Dallas’ style of play is not what you’ll see most likely.
 

lfigueroa

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Johnny Ervolino was absurdly good at this in his commentary for the West v Zuglan match at the 92 US Open.

He called Dallas pattern like 8 balls ahead.

But Johnny is gone and Dallas’ style of play is not what you’ll see most likely.

I took a 14.1 lesson from Dallas several years back.

I asked him to coach me through numerous racks of 14.1 and I was probably wrong in my initial shot selection 50% of the time, lol. I learned a lot but once inside his thinking I could see his logic and still use it to this day. Things are different now but his thinking is still stout and worth deploying.

Lou Figueroa
 

AtLarge

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Here's a YouTube video with the Deuel/Appleton match. The debated point is at about 51:55. Anyone see anything meriting Karl's call?
 

westcoast

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Johnny Ervolino was absurdly good at this in his commentary for the West v Zuglan match at the 92 US Open.

He called Dallas pattern like 8 balls ahead.

But Johnny is gone and Dallas’ style of play is not what you’ll see most likely.
Ervolino had the most gravelly voice I've ever heard!
 

JusticeNJ

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Here's a YouTube video with the Deuel/Appleton match. The debated point is at about 51:55. Anyone see anything meriting Karl's call?
Not me. Best I can tell is it looked like Karl thought he hit an object ball with the cue.
 
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skip100

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Everyone loves long exhibition runs but as sjm so astutely posted, it's even better to see a group of top pros in one place playing in a competitive tournament. This is what 14.1 is all about.
 

PoolBum

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Johnny Ervolino was absurdly good at this in his commentary for the West v Zuglan match at the 92 US Open.

He called Dallas pattern like 8 balls ahead.

But Johnny is gone and Dallas’ style of play is not what you’ll see most likely.
The first time I ever saw Ervolino play was at Chelsea Billiards in NYC. He was supposed to play some young kid at 9-ball, and he was warming up on a back table. He waited a long time for the kid to show up, and when he finally did he walked right up to Ervolino and said "You're gonna get a game tonight Johnny!" I was expecting some awesome action, but instead the kid walked halfway across the room, sat down and ate a sandwich. Ervolino was getting more and more pissed off as the kid wasn't coming over to play, and he starting cussing and slamming the balls. After a while I turned to the guy next to me and asked if they were actually going to play, and he said yeah, just not tonight. Apparently the kid was playing mind games with Ervolino and trying to get into his head for when they did play. The kid eventually just got up and walked out of the room. I wish I knew who the kid was but I never did find out or get to see them play.
 

spartan

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Surprise is big name golden boy shooter Gorst facing early exit. Gorst has tough final must win match v undefeated group leader Morra (5 wins out of 5). If he loses, Max and Biado are basically through unless he loses 123-125 or 124-125 v Morra and Max thrashes Biado 125-0 or 125-1 in their final match. :LOL:
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Rockstar Filler is on track to retain his title with best performance so far 5 wins out of 5 and huge winning margin of 372 points (excluding additional 91 points above 125 in his 216 high run v Mika )
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