American Rotation on Accu-Stats

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Later today (Monday June 24) Accu-Stats will be showing an American Rotation match.

Where: Tunica - southern classic
What: Accu-Stats live streaming
Game: American Rotation
Time: 1 pm EST start until about 3:45 PM

Accu-Stats will be having a match playing American Rotation.
Ths is the game of the new American Billiard Club League (ABC League).
This is a new concept brought to you by Joe Tucker and CSI.

The players will be announced tomorrow - they will be top flight players.

This is part of the PPV feed that Accu-Stats is doing this week.
This is a good game - 15 ball rotation - call shot.
Each ball is worth 1 point- 11 thru 15 are worth 2 points. A total of 20 points each rack.

Everyone who has played the game has really liked it. It is not an easy game.

Hope you can tune in to watch.
It will also be posted on YouTube in near future.

Mark Griffin
 
It's a pretty cool game really. Players that play all games well and rotation players that play Chicago, Pay Ball, Money Ball, and the like, will be the favorites IMO. I can't see why this American Rotation won't grow into something big. Johnnyt
 
It is truly an interesting game. I like the fact that it uses the same pool balls numbered 1 through 15, allowing pool rooms around the world to play, without having to purchase new equipment. :p

Interestingly, most know that Filipinos grew up playing 15-ball rotation. Jose Parica said when he came to the States and saw 9-ball rotation played on pristine equipment, he had no problem competing in tournaments whatsoever. It's a heck of a lot easier to run out to 9 than 15 was Jose's thinking. ;)

Here's a snippet of the rules:

American Rotation is an improved combination of traditional pocket billiard games.
AR (American Rotation) is played in rotation with balls numbered 1-15. Balls 1-10 receive a point value of 1 point each and balls 11-15 receive a point value of 2 points each for a total rack worth 20 points every time.

Play continues until one player reaches the predetermined required score to win the match, 50, 75, 100 & 150 is a typical pro length match.


To see the complete rules for American rotation, check them out on Joe Tucker's website ---> HERE

I must say that I love the name of this game. :)
 
I like the ball-in-hand after the break. Takes some of the luck of the break out of it, but is better than a push. I'm curious, for those who have seen it played, how often can top players run a full rack?
 
To answer the question of running a ful rack. . . .

When Joe Tucker and I went to Amsterdam Billiards after the Expo (April 2013), Joe was showing Thorsten the game and the rules.

Thorsten did run the first table.
It can happen with his level of play.
It is not gonna happen very often unless you are a top flight player.

This is a great game.
Tune in and watch -

It will be shown on Youtube in the near future _ the Accu-Stats stream is a PPV.
This is a filler for them and is in between the Banks and one packet (I think).

Mark Griffin
 
Mark Griffin said:
Later today (Monday June 24) Accu-Stats will be showing an American Rotation match.

Where: Tunica - southern classic
What: Accu-Stats live streaming
Game: American Rotation
Time: 1 pm EST start until about 3:45 PM

Accu-Stats will be having a match playing American Rotation.
Ths is the game of the new American Billiard Club League (ABC League).
This is a new concept brought to you by Joe Tucker and CSI.

The players will be announced tomorrow - they will be top flight players.

This is part of the PPV feed that Accu-Stats is doing this week.
This is a good game - 15 ball rotation - call shot.
Each ball is worth 1 point- 11 thru 15 are worth 2 points. A total of 20 points each rack.

Everyone who has played the game has really liked it. It is not an easy game.

Hope you can tune in to watch.
It will also be posted on YouTube in near future.

Mark Griffin
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I am being told it will take place tuesday @ noon edt.
 
Hi Guys.....

They threw us some curves on the schedule because of the Bigfoot 10ball on the 10 footers so we had to move things around some....

The American Rotation match is set for 1pm Eastern Standard on Tuesday June 25th.... We are looking at likely a race to 100-125ish and I'll grab the 2 best players we have available to us.... Hopefully we will get a Pinoy and an American player or Euro....

The game is interesting to say the least and I am hoping everyone enjoys it....

We are looking at trying to stream it for free or for under 2bucks if you already didn't purchase the Tuesday stream.. If you bought the stream you will already have it included.... We are checking our bandwidth allocations/usages and will make the PPV/Free decision sometime today...

If we stream it for free I hope noone gets offended that already paid because without Mark Griffin and Joe we wouldn't have anything to stream until the Bigfoot Started at 3pm....

Hope everyone tunes in and checks it out.....

Chris Renfro
 
I read the rules (from Joe's website) and there's one aspect that doesn't seem quite right to me.

The rules state that on the first rack of the match, if the opening player fails to pocket a ball on a legal break, the opponent comes to the table with the option of calling a shot, playing safe or pushing out from the current position... and if he pushes out, "A ball pocketed during a push will be rewarded to the player that takes the shot".

What is to prevent this player from calling for a push out and then simply pocketing one of the 11 through 15 balls for a 2-point reward?

That just doesn't seem right to me. Makes more sense to restore it to its original position (as much as possible).

I'm interested in why the rule is the way that it is.
 
cigardave said:
I read the rules (from Joe's website) and there's one aspect that doesn't seem quite right to me.

The rules state that on the first rack of the match, if the opening player fails to pocket a ball on a legal break, the opponent comes to the table with the option of calling a shot, playing safe or pushing out from the current position... and if he pushes out, "A ball pocketed during a push will be rewarded to the player that takes the shot".

What is to prevent this player from calling for a push out and then simply pocketing one of the 11 through 15 balls for a 2-point reward?

That just doesn't seem right to me. Makes more sense to restore it to its original position (as much as possible).

I'm interested in why the rule is the way that it is.
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Hi all, sorry for any delayed responses, got home last night from that 42 day bender and my son woke me at 5:30 this morning for his golf tournament so I'm in a lil coma. But glad to be :)

As for the pushout rule; if you do simply pocket a ball BUT I take the shot you pushed out too, I would get the easy 2 points. So you would have to pocket a ball and put the cb in a position where I would give it back to you before you get the easy 2, not that easy.
 
Joe T said:
As for the pushout rule; if you do simply pocket a ball BUT I take the shot you pushed out too, I would get the easy 2 points. So you would have to pocket a ball and put the cb in a position where I would give it back to you before you get the easy 2, not that easy.
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Got it, Joe. Thanks.

What wasn't obvious to me was what was meant by "the player that takes the shot".

I was thinking that it referred to the player making the 2-point ball in my example... but your explanation makes it clear it means the player that takes the shot following the push out.

Make complete sense now. :wink:
 
seems like it would be better to have the push out rule state that you can not make a ball.

Seems odd that a match could be affected by hooking someone and forcing them to shoot just so the roll out person doesn't get points.

Maybe I am missing something.

If A pushes in 15 ball and hooks B on 1 then B has to shoot at the 1 to keep A from getting 2 points (possibly the game winning points)?

Is the above right?
 
Right. Or maybe spot any ball made during a push. In 9-ball if you push and make the 9, it would be spotted. Here, since you get points for each ball made, I'd think the same rule would apply to every ball.
 
frankncali said:
seems like it would be better to have the push out rule state that you can not make a ball.

Seems odd that a match could be affected by hooking someone and forcing them to shoot just so the roll out person doesn't get points.

Maybe I am missing something.

If A pushes in 15 ball and hooks B on 1 then B has to shoot at the 1 to keep A from getting 2 points (possibly the game winning points)?

Is the above right?
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Frank you're absolutely right. I don't mind except if it did come down to game winning situation BUT it won't because we only have to worry about the pushout rule for the very first rack of the match ;)
 
American rotation on accu-stats

Jump a reminder.

Tuesday at 1 pm EST.
Until about 4pm

A chance to watch a coupe of good players - and learn a really good game.

Mark Griffin
 
Mark Griffin said:
Jump a reminder.

Tuesday at 1 pm EST.
Until about 4pm

A chance to watch a coupe of good players - and learn a really good game.

Mark Griffin
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It sounded like in last night's stream they said it would be Corey vs Efren. Is this still the plan for today's rotation match?
 
Okay Phil & Jason are getting a quick lesson and they're going to play soon. Matt Tetrault is there helping with the rules, good luck Matt and Thanks. Actually thanks to all involved.
 
Accu stats and all involved did a great job showcasing a game they knew nothing about. We'll have it up on youtube in a day or two? Thanks guys :)
 
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