An American disgrace

I think that comment may be misplaced. I get the impression that the Filipinos have well-organized and strong sponsorship from Filipino business organizations.

The billiards industry in America has betrayed American pool. They should be held accountable for it.

Hear, hear. Tap, tap, tap!
 
He should be when 40% of Team USA is second tier. But good luck trying to get him in a money game with those second tier players.

It doesn't seem playing for money is what mika is out to do .
I play these guys and know that 1 guy on USA team is fav over mika in a long set
 
Its a mickey mouse tourney geared toward the euros with the rack in the wrong spot

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I don't think it's a disgrace, lots worse things have happened. It's sad that the
USA did no prep work, maybe they should have had a fund raiser from the AZ forum and their sponsors to get together and practice as a team.

Disappointing yes, disgrace no.

Solutions only fix problems when people are willing to try.

All good players on the USA side, just no team practice or building.

The coach should be a coach not a player, too involved when ur a player
to see the forest.
 
I don't think it's a disgrace, lots worse things have happened. It's sad that the
USA did no prep work, maybe they should have had a fund raiser from the AZ forum and their sponsors to get together and practice as a team.

Disappointing yes, disgrace no.

Solutions only fix problems when people are willing to try.

All good players on the USA side, just no team practice or building.

The coach should be a coach not a player, too involved when ur a player
to see the forest.

Good points. :)
 
Just let us know when any of the Euro players feel like they're ready to play Shane Van Boening, Johnny Archer, or Earl for some $50,000 sets. I'll keep a light on for you. LOL.

hint: not everyone considers random cashgame dares an adequate measurement for being a great pool player

maybe when american pool community realizes this and start treating it as a sport, things will get better
 
I don't think it's a disgrace, lots worse things have happened. It's sad that the
USA did no prep work, maybe they should have had a fund raiser from the AZ forum and their sponsors to get together and practice as a team.

Disappointing yes, disgrace no.

Solutions only fix problems when people are willing to try.

All good players on the USA side, just no team practice or building.

The coach should be a coach not a player, too involved when ur a player
to see the forest.

I feel the same no team feeling on team USA
If they all play singles we match up good with Europe
But Europe plays for each other
Where USA would just rather play each other
 
hint: not everyone considers random cashgame dares an adequate measurement for being a great pool player

maybe when american pool community realizes this and start treating it as a sport, things will get better

America's obsession with money and making a fast buck out of people is part of the problem here.
 
Are you EVER going to answer that question?

Sure. The world class snooker players that played in the MC would have given 9 ball a brief go about 3 days before the match, probably with their girlfriends or children as practice partners.

I thought I made it abundantly clear in the other thread that snooker players view pool as a bit of fun and a game for girls? There is no incentive for them to play pool, so why would they care?

I hope this concept is simple enough for you to understand now, but get back to me if it's not.
 
Just one weak link destroys the chain. Not just in terms of the lost opportunities/points but the loser mentality it instills in the rest of the team that can drag them down mentally. The lucky layouts and lucky rolls came into play more when Shane (don't tell me that Mika didn't slop that win), Johnny, and Earl were playing.

No one should be selected for the team if they aren't Tier 1 and ready to play in top form. Short races are a crapshoot to start with and putting 2nd tier players in the mix is brainless.

You do realise Shane has been as bad as anyone, don't you? Take off the blinkers. Luck has had NOTHING to do with this.
 
You do realise Shane has been as bad as anyone, don't you? Take off the blinkers. Luck has had NOTHING to do with this.


Please stop feeding this troll. He knows little if anything about pool, or snooker. He's here only to be a troll.
 

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Shane, I assume, but I'd take Johnny in that match up. I wouldn't bet Earl but only because he might lose his rudder. If I knew Earl could stay on an even keel and not lose it psychologically I'd take him without a second thought.

Archer would be gambling
Anyone else mika is a big fav over
 
Mika won his match against Shane by slopping in a 4 ball in one game and then closed the "match" by slopping in the 9 on the break. FACT

You're a laughable anti-American. In fact, I think that there must be a lot of snooker players (whom I respect) that must be cringing when they see your childish comments.

lol, sour grapes are sour.
 
Archer would be gambling
Anyone else mika is a big fav over

I'd have to agree. Depends if Johnny shows up with his A game, but I think he could grind him out in a long set. Rodeny, Hatch, get eatin alive. Earl, who knows, that's real gambling...

Just out of curiousity, what would you need from Mika to make a fair game?
 
Mika won his match against Shane by slopping in a 4 ball in one game and then closed the "match" by slopping in the 9 on the break. FACT

You're a laughable anti-American. In fact, I think that there must be a lot of snooker players (whom I respect) that must be cringing when they see your childish comments.

I'm pro-American and using lucky rolls is such a weak excuse. Dennis was up 4-2 against Ralph, he made 2 nines on the break and yet still lost. He choked.
 
I'm pro-American and using lucky rolls is such a weak excuse. Dennis was up 4-2 against Ralph, he made 2 nines on the break and yet still lost. He choked.

This. Europe have had the edge in rolls, but nowhere near 7 matches difference worth of rolls.

The big difference this year has been simple, from what I've seen. Europe have been running out when they should run out, the USA just haven't. Too many make-able balls missed, too many simple positional shots left long or short, too many bad decisions poorly executed.
 
Your math isn't simple, it's spurious.

And what's so surprising about heads coming up 6 out of 7 flips? That's completely normal.

The fact that you consider 6 out of 7 flips totally normal sounds like you don't get statistics.
6 out 7 heads is about a 6% chance.

You really think that's what's been happening for the past 7 years?
A 6% statistical fluke?

If you have a more accurate way of showing it mathematically, put it out there.
But it's clear we're losing because our team is not as good as theirs.
We break worse and we handle pressure worse.

There's plenty of tangible stuff you can track:
Count how many times we don't make a ball on the break or scratch on the break.
Count how many times we make a huge error that is unquestionably "dogging it"
(like earl trying to thin a 1 ball just now and whiffing, giving up BIH and costing the rack).
Count how many times players hook themselves playing shape, or miss a routine shot.

Any way you wanna add it up, this is not bad luck. We're getting outplayed year after year.
 
maybe these stats could explain why this is happening,
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note that none of these events happened in europe.

Not sure if this was to point out that the rankings were higher for the Euro players, but if you don't play in the event, you don't get the points so the overall rank is no guide to how well anyone is playing now. Just WHERE they are playing. The only two events in the US were the US Open and the 10 Ball.

If the point was that the US players don't travel to major events overseas, I am pretty sure there were lots of talk about the cost to go play there vs possible reward vs no sponsors putting up the money to travel. I don't like the fact that the US is turning into a 2nd tier country in the pool world, but there it is. We have a few 1st tier players that can play against Appleton, Immonen, and all those Asian robo players like Alex P, Orcullo, all the China/Japan guys who never miss but who's name I don't know hehe, but for the most part, our top pros will lose to their top pros.
 
Strange to see team USA being so uncomfortable, it`s afterall their home turf.
Shane and Earl play decent though. Mike Dechaine continues to look like a chump and he`s chalking drives me mad!
Not trying to be unfair or anything, but i have noticed that the European players look a lot more fit than their American counterparts.

Are you watching this year's Mosconi Cup or the one from 2011 or 2012? Dechaine is not on the current team.
 
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