An Open Discussion about an improper Banning

What I think is good protocol would be to close a thread with a post explaining why.

This is exactly the way it should be handled in the rare circumstances where a thread needs to be closed. But if public warnings and bans are handed out as needed you will almost never have to close a thread, because the offenders (having received their ban) will be unable to further post in the thread. But in no case, ever, should a thread be deleted. If you just absolutely feel in the most rare circumstance that a thread should be closed, it should still remain publicly view-able with the last post being a short but very direct and open explanation from the mod (to include member names or post numbers as needed) on why it was closed.
 
This is one the few forums that allows argumentum ad hominem {Personal attacks} to capture the speech patterns of pool players. The Moderators, do an excellent job of holding it together.
 
It isn't even close. JB has had more bans than PJ and any other member (and probably PJ and any other two members) you want to choose put together. And if you want to count warnings as well as bans, JB has had more than PJ and any other five members you want to choose from combined. Not trying to pick on anyone or single anyone out, but lets deal with truth and reality here.

For the record, I'm all for a system of escalating ban lengths that are set in stone based on how many previous bans you have had and ultimately ending with a permanent ban. I propose:
-public warning for your first serious offense
-one week ban for your second serious offense
-one month ban for your third serious offense
-six month ban for your fourth serious offense
-two year ban for your fifth serious offense
-lifetime permanent ban for your sixth serious offense
...and that is for any type serious infractions, they need not be of the same type to escalate the length of ban.

I say just lay down the law and let people be the master of their own destiny. They know the repercussions and are totally in control of whether or not they get to continue to enjoy this great site. I think you would see a massive improvement real fast. And honestly, if somebody is out of line that seriously that many times to the point where it was deserving of a ban then they just simply don't care in the least about trying to be a decent contributor and would just have continued to be a lifetime problem and we simply don't need them around here. Just my opinion.

You really think people need to do something seriously wrong around here to be banned?? LOL. All it takes is to get on the wrong side of the moderator. If he doesn't like you, or you dare to try and discuss anything with him, you will get a three month ban for being off topic like I did. Any bans should be by a panel of moderators, not just one guy on a power trip.
 
...This is not an open discussion about an improper banning..... First it was Barton that was single handedly ruining the forums. Then it was CJ. Now it is RKC...

Mike,

Due to a long running feud with Wilson, I have tolerated a few 3 month bans that, if they were examined, were totally unfair !..I will admit to engaging in verbal confrontations, with Barton and CJ, but none so far with RKC..However, from what I have seen, he has a lot of same issues, as they possess. (in other words, he thinks he is 'God's gift' to the forum !)..:cool:

I would prefer to be recognized as someone who "tells it like it is", WITHOUT the use of profane name calling, but thus far, I have not been allowed that privilege, even though I have NEVER said that I think Dave Wilson is the 'worst' moderator in the entire history of ANY forum, anywhere !

SJD

PS..I could understand why you allow him to moderate, but only if he has something very embarrassing "on you" :D
 
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Mike,

Due to a long running feud with Wilson, I have tolerated a few 3 month bans that, if they were examined, were totally unfair !..I will admit to engaging in verbal confrontations, with Barton and CJ, but none so far with RKC..However, from what
I have seen, he has a lot of same issues, as they possess. (in other words, he thinks he is 'God's gift' to the forum !)..:cool:

I would prefer to be recognized as someone who "tells it like it is", WITHOUT the use of profane name calling, but thus far, I have not been allowed that privilege, even though I have NEVER said that I think Dave Wilson is the 'worst' moderator in the entire history of ANY forum, anywhere !

SJD

PS..I could understand why you allow him to moderate, but only if he has something very embarrassing "on you" :D

From what I have seen,he's not consistent !
 
Mike,

Due to a long running feud with Wilson, I have tolerated a few 3 month bans that, if they were examined, were totally unfair !..I will admit to engaging in verbal confrontations, with Barton and CJ, but none so far with RKC..However, from what
I have seen, he has a lot of same issues, as they possess. (in other words, he thinks he is 'God's gift' to the forum !)..:cool:

I would prefer to be recognized as someone who "tells it like it is", WITHOUT the use of profane name calling, but thus far, I have not been allowed that privilege, even though I have NEVER said that I think Dave Wilson is the 'worst' moderator in the entire history of ANY forum, anywhere !

SJD

PS..I could understand why you allow him to moderate, but only if he has something very embarrassing "on you" :D


LOL! Fine post!
 
PJ didn't go anywhere, he still stalks pro players constantly.

Then just read "old nine baller" posts, PJ didn't go anywhere, he still stalks pro players, constantly. Isn't there a video pool forum he could gravitate to? LoL


PJ got whacked for political reasons. It was totally unfair. That's why I used it as an illustration.

Lou Figueroa
 
but none so far with RKC..However, from what
I have seen, he has a lot of same issues, as they possess. (in other words, he thinks he is 'God's gift' to the forum !)..:cool:

So you claim to know what I think? Are you a fortune teller in your spare time too? Tell me, WHAT am I thinking now?:rolleyes:
 
From what I have seen,he's not consistent !

He's one person RJ. If I remember, he may run his own business. He has a ton of pets, married, both need attention.

We should be able to understand that if Dave isn't on AZ constantly, he shouldn't be expected to curtail his everyday responsibilities for us. Even if he does receive some remuneration, it still isn't enuff to make him be with us 24/7.

So, it's easy to be a bit inconsistent at times. He sees what he sees when he logs in.
 
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This coming from the 15th best table mechanic in the country knocking the 3rd best. You should be humble like the Dominguez's.

Who's work is this? I can say for sure it's not mine or Mark's...LOL
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This is what my work looks like, as well as Mark's, and several other table mechanic's I've spent time with to show them how to install cloth correctly. Maybe this is why I'm number 15 and not number 1....cus my work don't look like the number 1's like I posted.
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I get a kick out of "mind readers" don't you, they're missing their calling

He also "thinks" he could play pool 60 years ago. LoL

I get a kick out of "mind readers" don't you, they're missing their calling, they should be playing poker, or giving physic readings to a multitude of poor, lost souls. ;)
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SJD Reading Minds Again LoL


So you claim to know what I think? Are you a fortune teller in your spare time too? Tell me, WHAT am I thinking now?:rolleyes:
 
Interesting thread, I'm sure Russ is flattered.

I play on Russ' table weekly. It plays great EXCEPT for balls hit down the rail with even a little pace. Popular opinion is the balls should drop, like they do on most all other tables. The pockets on Russ' spit them out with regularity. It's not quite as bad as the Olhausen Death Rattle, but close. This tells me the pocket angle is too great or the down angle isn't great enough. Is it possible the table was done incorrectly by the mechanic referred by RKC? Possibly. All I know is it plays a little off but still a good playing table.
 
It doesn't take a 'mind reader', to spot a few genuine, self promoting phony's, all it takes is to be able to read !.. Its good to see that most forum member's recognize that..;)
 
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He also "thinks" he could play pool 60 years ago. LoL

I get a kick out of "mind readers" don't you, they're missing their calling, they should be playing poker, or giving physic readings to a multitude of poor, lost souls. ;)
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SJD Reading Minds Again LoL

There's a LOT of mind readers on AZB:thumbup:
 
Interesting thread, I'm sure Russ is flattered.

I play on Russ' table weekly. It plays great EXCEPT for balls hit down the rail with even a little pace. Popular opinion is the balls should drop, like they do on most all other tables. The pockets on Russ' spit them out with regularity. It's not quite as bad as the Olhausen Death Rattle, but close. This tells me the pocket angle is too great or the down angle isn't great enough. Is it possible the table was done incorrectly by the mechanic referred by RKC? Possibly. All I know is it plays a little off but still a good playing table.

Like I already posted, I offered to work on Russ's table for free, but he kept on badgering me over it like I was responsible for how it was playing when I wasn't the person who worked on it. He WANTED me to be responsible like it was an employee of mine who did the work, and never missed a chance to jump on me for it, even AFTER I warned him that I was getting tired of how he was acting about his table. Finally, I just had enough and told him so, yet he continued to jump me to the point of name calling and all the rest of his BS. So, like I said...no chance in hell now, but maybe he can send his rails to Mark Gregory so Mark can deal with him, I just know I'm done.
 
Lots of Lost Souls wandering about these days CJ. Too many out there keeping up with the Jonese's. Specially when we are supposed to be in the Age of Enlightenment.

Everyone needs to take at least a 1/2 hr out of their day to find their Spiritual side and unwind.

Merlin's magic is one of my favorites. Of course, you probably didn't know that I am also a 3rd degree Reiki practitioner. As well as Quantum Touch. To me, that just ramps up the energy, if you use both at the same time. I have used Steven Halpern's Chakra Suite with ear phones when working with someone. That will usually put a person into another dimension in short order.

Put some magic in your life also.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uPFTOzOMPg4
 
No, haven't sent any rails to Mark. Have played on his tables though, bar none the best playing tables I've ever hit a ball on. Not sure about others but I think if I ask Mark he'll fit me in.

Well, maybe you should consider the number 1 table mechanic in the country to work on your rails as Mark was only ranked at number 3, while I was ranked at number 15...LOL here's what you get with the best! Hot glue to replace the missing wood at the ends of the sub-rails, hot glue behind the extentions to correct the pocket miter angles....well, to kind of correct them anyway, and no worries about the staple area, 1/2" staples will still hold the cloth on.
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But, you could I guess always lower your standards and go with either Mark at number 3 on the list, or maybe even me at number 15 once I get moved down to TX...as my work and Marks are the same...oh, and you're going to have to settle for K55 cushions as neither of us use the K66 cushions on either Diamond's or Brunswick's, because the K66 cushions are the wrong cushions and we don't sand down the top of the sub-rails to knock down the step from sliding down the cushions to get the nose height to be correct.

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