An Update
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Ktown D said:
The following all paid promptly: Ktown, Matt, JohnnyT, Saw, Corvette, Shanesinnott, uwate, dimes33 and one other large better who will remain nameless, because the bet was handled privately.
One guy owes me 150 and another owes me 50. And another guy who lost 300, paid me 230 so far. I collected well over a grand.
The ones that owe me money know full well who they are, because they have communicated with me since the match. I sent them each a dunning e-mail today. That's about all I can do. Except one last thing, which I told them I will do in two days. Put their names on here.
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John Barton
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Johnnyt said:
Why not? A deal is a deal. Two people agreed on a monetary transaction following specific events. It behooves us all to know who is honest and pays promptly and who doesn't.
I don't deal with (read BET WITH) people on Ebay who have too many negative feedback comments.
And I would not bet with anyone here who has negative marks. That's probably good for everyone, for the person who didn't pay so that he doesn't take on more than he can handle and for the people who would be owed so that they don't have a debt to collect.
This probably isn't the place to post this, but when is that Shane/Earl match supposed to take place? I wouldn't mind getting a couple bets down when that goes off but I might have to learn from Jay's experience here and be selective of who I bet with.
Hope you get paid, Jay. Hmm ... that sounds familiar. Now where did I say that before? Oooooh yeah. I remember. Back in the IPT forum like a year ago. (sorry Jay - couldn't resist)
Hope you get paid, Jay. Hmm ... that sounds familiar. Now where did I say that before? Oooooh yeah. I remember. Back in the IPT forum like a year ago. (sorry Jay - couldn't resist)
John Barton
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JimS said:
Well that's what I mean. Except I don't think we need to have a specific description of gambling reps.
I don't think AZ should be encouraging unregulated online wagering. However if a party has a transaction with another party then they can certainly tell everyone if it went well or if it did not and that should be enough.
Johnnyt said:
i agree with that, facillitatng illegal gambling is alot of heat, but if it was carefully worded it might be legal, because its information after the action, merely information, one condition must be: no bets could be in threads here period!!! They would have to all be done via email and just positive or negitative reports here AFTER the match, its dancing with fire, but as the old sayinf goes in the boiler rooms "no heat-no eat".
Johnnyt said:
there has got to ba a way of doing it, with a different site that just lists the gamblers name and a scoring system on weather they are a good pay or not, no board or area for commentary this would insure that the actiojn was never discussed in the same spot as the rating system, the Feds make it suck a pain in the ass.
I was a late payer, had a few jams in real life and with paypal, but got it sent. Sorry for the late payment, and hope we can still do some gambling in the future. Thanks.
derekdisco said:
THANKS DEREK! You did the right thing. When I didn't hear back from you for over a week, I was getting a little worried about you. You're cool with me!
GOOD NEWS! Both guys paid me today. One for 150 and one for 50, via Paypal. So the only debt outstanding is the guy who owes me 70. Like I said, he paid me 230, so I'm not worried about him. Total win for Jay, almost 1,500, wiping out the loss from the Dennis-Yang match, where I blew a G note. As they say, you win some, you lose some.
All's well that ends well. It is 12 days after the match ended, so that isn't too bad. This is one reason that I wouldn't take a 1,000 bet on here that was offered to me by somebody I didn't know. He offered me 1,000 to 750 on the match, a better line then I was asking for. That sent a red flag warning to me. I didn't want to give someone a free roll at 750. Kapeche!
All's well that ends well. It is 12 days after the match ended, so that isn't too bad. This is one reason that I wouldn't take a 1,000 bet on here that was offered to me by somebody I didn't know. He offered me 1,000 to 750 on the match, a better line then I was asking for. That sent a red flag warning to me. I didn't want to give someone a free roll at 750. Kapeche!
Online Betting
I have mentioned a few times having a pick-who-you-want, no profit to the organizer, bet-what-you-want U.S. Open pick-em, but nobody seemed to take it as a reasonable suggestion. With the number of people on this forum willing to go for say just $5 - $50 and the number of available picks the account could get fairly solid.
With transfers into one online account with only one person having access, the security could be pretty good, and as for government monitoring the payments would have nothing to do with this website. Although should be posted in a thread to monitor the person holding the money.
Still no thoughts/takers...???
I have mentioned a few times having a pick-who-you-want, no profit to the organizer, bet-what-you-want U.S. Open pick-em, but nobody seemed to take it as a reasonable suggestion. With the number of people on this forum willing to go for say just $5 - $50 and the number of available picks the account could get fairly solid.
With transfers into one online account with only one person having access, the security could be pretty good, and as for government monitoring the payments would have nothing to do with this website. Although should be posted in a thread to monitor the person holding the money.
Still no thoughts/takers...???
John Stravinsky
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Jay, the following happened to a golf hustler I know: Guy says to him, I still owe you five hundred, right? He says, right. Guys says, would you take three and we're square? My friend says, sure, pay me. Guy says, I don't have it, but now I owe you two.
John Stravinsky
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Oops...I mean "Now I owe you three"--never could tell a story
John Stravinsky said:
John my man, I haven't forgotten that G whiz you sent in on me at the WSOP a couple of years back. One day you will get a gift in the mail from me, when I hit a good one, although I haven't been playing much lately. In L.A. they like to start the tournaments at 7 PM, the worst possible time to be driving the freeways to get there.
I've talked to the directors until I'm blue in the face and they don't care. The other bad thing is that if you do good, you are playinjg until the wee hours of the morning. Screw that. I vote with my wallet, so I don't support these events. We still have that Bank game when I see you, you banking fool.
thats cool Jay, I said 2 weeks to settle online rail bets is cool, speaking for myself they would be done within 5 days max but things do come up, and thats understandable, its great that there is honor here and that will encourage more action, expecting to get paid within 12 hours of the match is crazy.
John Barton
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Fatboy said:
If someone has the system - I can provide the hosting from a Chinese server.
No US hosting company to serve with a cease and desist. Not to say the that Chinese wouldn't shut it down if the US wanted them to though.
But since there will be NO MONEY transacting - just information - then it violates no laws - at least that I know of.
John Barton said:
just the name of the person you bet with and how long they took to pay, o-5 days 6-10 and 11-15 anything over 15 days is a no pay, the size of the bet dosent need to be on there, just if you got paid or not., then a report on each player so you can look up them up and their payment history, it wouldnt ever refer to gambling just a name and how many bets in each time period column, easy as that.
so if you see a guy who didnt pay he is done(bad action) if you see a guy with mostly 1-5 and a few 6-10 day marks then he is good action. all were looking for is accountability not how much, I had alot out with one friend than Jay did all together, I would have covered what ever he could stand but he didnt know me well enough to bet 10 dimes, I know him, but he had to make alot of calls to make sure i was good, and probably bet less than he wanted, he paid be on the spot as i will him when he wins a bet, but it would be good togive credit to guys who pay fast so people know who is good action, i'm gonna bust JohnnyT,
Jay is gonna get busted playing me straight pool.
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You have a lot better chance of busting Jay than me...I can't play anymore. JohnnytFatboy said:just the name of the person you bet with and how long they took to pay, o-5 days 6-10 and 11-15 anything over 15 days is a no pay, the size of the bet dosent need to be on there, just if you got paid or not., then a report on each player so you can look up them up and their payment history, it wouldnt ever refer to gambling just a name and how many bets in each time period column, easy as that.
so if you see a guy who didnt pay he is done(bad action) if you see a guy with mostly 1-5 and a few 6-10 day marks then he is good action. all were looking for is accountability not how much, I had alot out with one friend than Jay did, I would have covered what ever he could stand he didnt know me like I know him so he had to make alot of calls to make sure i was good, and probably bet less than he wanted, he paid be on the spot as i will him when he wins a bet, but it would be good togive credit to guys who pay fast so people know who is good action, i'm gonna bust JohnnyT,
