another ASK KEITH MCREADY

[bruin70]

well,,,the old thread was getting too long, so here's another....

keith, i was talking to a friend who grew up in the 70's watching hawaiian brian in LA, and the talk shifted to a rule i never heard of. he said back then 9ball was played with a TWO foul ball-in-hand rule, not one foul as it is played today.

he said the game was played more aggressively as a result of this extra foul, but i was thinking that there were probably many nuances to strategy as well. can you talk about 9ball played with the two foul rule?

sounds like a more interesting game to watch.

 

[azhousepro]

Bruin, I will be adding a special section for questions to be sent to Keith as well as a couple other players. Look for it later this week.

Mike

 

[ctyhntr]

Red Roof Inn. Search AZ for the special AZB discount code. Some of the money goes towards a Pro Player traveling fund.

 

[cleary]

Red Roof Inn. Search AZ for the special AZB discount code. Some of the money goes towards a Pro Player traveling fund.

You make a great point but I feel if you own a cat, you should always own two. They make great company for each other when you are gone and stay overall happy. One cat becomes lazy and bored. Get two... trust me!

 

[Ktown D]

You make a great point but I feel if you own a cat, you should always own two. They make great company for each other when you are gone and stay overall happy. One cat becomes lazy and bored. Get two... trust me!

Great point.

While we are on the subject.........WTF?

 

[cleary]

Great point.

While we are on the subject.........WTF?

I don't know, I figured "ctyhntr" was just gonna post about whatever he wanted... I should too!

 

[spktur]

well,,,the old thread was getting too long, so here's another....

keith, i was talking to a friend who grew up in the 70's watching hawaiian brian in LA, and the talk shifted to a rule i never heard of. he said back then 9ball was played with a TWO foul ball-in-hand rule, not one foul as it is played today.

he said the game was played more aggressively as a result of this extra foul, but i was thinking that there were probably many nuances to strategy as well. can you talk about 9ball played with the two foul rule?

sounds like a more interesting game to watch.

This was called push out. The player could at any time push out to another location and the incoming player had the option to shoot or not, if he gave the shot back the original had to shoot and if he then fouled gave up ball in hand. All the players running the road had favorite push out shots that they were deadly at. And then after they did that a few times the local guy was afraid to give him anything back. It was a pretty good advantage to the road players. But you saw some good shots that looked almost impossible. Made for a good show for the railbirds.

 

[measureman]

This was called push out. The player could at any time push out to another location and the incoming player had the option to shoot or not, if he gave the shot back the original had to shoot and if he then fouled gave up ball in hand. All the players running the road had favorite push out shots that they were deadly at. And then after they did that a few times the local guy was afraid to give him anything back. It was a pretty good advantage to the road players. But you saw some good shots that looked almost impossible. Made for a good show for the railbirds.

A much better way to play 9 ball. It takes almost all the luck out of the game. But it is boring to all but the hard core players. I think the currant rules were developed for TV to make the game go faster and be less boring to the casual viewer. With 2 shot push out you can protect your money better when gambling.

 

[Pushout]

This was called push out. The player could at any time push out to another location and the incoming player had the option to shoot or not, if he gave the shot back the original had to shoot and if he then fouled gave up ball in hand. All the players running the road had favorite push out shots that they were deadly at. And then after they did that a few times the local guy was afraid to give him anything back. It was a pretty good advantage to the road players. But you saw some good shots that looked almost impossible. Made for a good show for the railbirds.

Some places this was played that any two fouls gave ball in hand, not two fouls by the same player. This is the way I learned to play. Pushing out after a foul gave ball in hand immediately.
Much, much better way to play 9 ball. Much more strategic, you actually had to think about how the opponent would respond, how you would play depending on what he did, etc. It did slow the game down some. I've said before if you changed the rules in tournaments to push out, people would drop 9 ball like a hot rock, few would play it. Too bad.

 

[ctyhntr]

My Bad. I thought I was posting to on the where to stay for the US Open thread. Not sure how I originally ended up posting here.

I don't know, I figured "ctyhntr" was just gonna post about whatever he wanted... I should too!

 

[Dagwoodz]

Great point.

While we are on the subject.........WTF?

Just so everyone's clear...

WTF or wtf

(slang, chiefly military, internet, and text messaging) What the fu**.

1985, Dick Dunn, “China Cat lyrics - explanations?”, in net.music.gdead,

Usenet:
I've READ them; I know what all the words are. I still say, "WTF, over?" Someone's playing with our heads on this one, but what's all the word stew?

1994, Marat Fayzullin, “Re: MMM”, in relcom.talk, Usenet:
Now, please, explain WTF did you mean by this text?

2005, “defect violation” (username), “Re: WTF!!”, in uk.sport.football.clubs.liverpool, Usenet:
WTF are you on about? We played some very good football for most of the match, […]

(rare) Where the fu**, why the fu**, when the fu** or who the fu**.

World Taekwondo Federation

1998, The complete Idiot's guide to Taekwondo:

Likewise the WTF says they are the official Tae Kwon Do organization because […]

The International Olympic Committee (IOC) recognizes WTF at its 83rd […]

The Secretariat of the World Taekwondo Federation (WTF) is located in Seoul, South Korea, in a beautiful edifice […]

[edit] Usage notes(what the fu**):

WTF, like the full expression what the fu**, may be used either to introduce a question: WTF are you talking about?

or as an interjection: WTF! That's a load of bull!

(what the fu**): WTF is sometimes spelled or written out in the NATO phonetic alphabet: whiskey tango foxtrot.

(what the fu**): WTF is not usually considered as offensive as the full expression what the fu**.

(what the fu**): WTF may sometimes replace what in contexts where what the fu** could not; for example, WTF ever is sometimes used as an emphatic variant of whatever.

now Ktown...why bring the World Taekwondo Federation into this thread?

Thread hijacker...wtf.

 

[mike8or9]

Whether you played 2 fouls by the same player or any 2 fouls in a row it
was a great way to play because the shooter could really open up
offensively because he had the luxury of pushing out if he hooked himself
or didn't get the shape that he wanted.

 

[Voodoo Daddy]

Its how I learned to play 9-ball and it was beautiful to watch the greats played it. Im not sure anyone under 40 really understand the beauty of it...just sayin'.

 

[Papa Red]

This was called push out. The player could at any time push out to another location and the incoming player had the option to shoot or not, if he gave the shot back the original had to shoot and if he then fouled gave up ball in hand. All the players running the road had favorite push out shots that they were deadly at. And then after they did that a few times the local guy was afraid to give him anything back. It was a pretty good advantage to the road players. But you saw some good shots that looked almost impossible. Made for a good show for the railbirds.

This is the way I had always played 2-in-the-hand in the late 60's & 70's. Texas, Oklahoma, Arkansas, and Louisiana played the same. This is as far as I could travel on a week end and get back to work. Also Kentucky when I was in the service in 1966.

 

[catpool9]

Two Shot Roll Out

This was called push out. The player could at any time push out to another location and the incoming player had the option to shoot or not, if he gave the shot back the original had to shoot and if he then fouled gave up ball in hand. All the players running the road had favorite push out shots that they were deadly at. And then after they did that a few times the local guy was afraid to give him anything back. It was a pretty good advantage to the road players. But you saw some good shots that looked almost impossible. Made for a good show for the railbirds.

Two Shot Roll Out, that was the best game ever!, you saw many racks of 9-Ball run playing this game because it was useless to play saftey, so you might as well shoot at the ball to go in the hole.

The only way I've ever played the game was two fouls by the same player in a row.

There was several different shot's as "spktu"r stated that were played by a roadie, some guy's could bank really well and roll out for that shot or some guys could cut a ball exceptional well and roll out for that one, some liked the combination, and some were just straight up killer's at the jump shot with the big cue ball.

I found out early on that if someone was rolling out to there favorite shot, I would re-roll out to something else!

Yes back in the early 80's ESPN adopted the one-foul rule for Television, so it would speed up playing time and maybe not look as boring to the audience, but there was never a better game than two-foul played for the rotation game.

In my opinion it was certainly more exciting to watch and the better player always won in the long run.


David Harcrow

 

[onepocketron]

I'm not much on nine ball anymore. I personally hate the rules created for TV. Too much defense and not enough offense. I grew up playing the "old way". Rather than play a hard shot, now days they go for the safety to try and get ball in hand. That to me is BOOOOOOOOORING.:boring2::boring2:

 

[cleary]

My Bad. I thought I was posting to on the where to stay for the US Open thread. Not sure how I originally ended up posting here.

Its ok, I just couldn't hold back. Hope you take my advice about cats though, im serious!

 

[Papa Red]

Two Shot Roll Out, that was the best game ever!, you saw many racks of 9-Ball run playing this game because it was useless to play saftey, so you might as well shoot at the ball to go in the hole.

The only way I've ever played the game was two fouls by the same player in a row.

There was several different shot's as "spktu"r stated that were played by a roadie, some guy's could bank really well and roll out for that shot or some guys could cut a ball exceptional well and roll out for that one, some liked the combination, and some were just straight up killer's at the jump shot with the big cue ball.

I found out early on that if someone was rolling out to there favorite shot, I would re-roll out to something else!
Yes back in the early 80's ESPN adopted the one-foul rule for Television, so it would speed up playing time and maybe not look as boring to the audience, but there was never a better game than two-foul played for the rotation game.

In my opinion it was certainly more exciting to watch and the better player always won in the long run.


David Harcrow

Yes sir David, thats the only to play.

 

[dabarbr]

Two Shot Roll Out, that was the best game ever!, you saw many racks of 9-Ball run playing this game because it was useless to play saftey, so you might as well shoot at the ball to go in the hole.

The only way I've ever played the game was two fouls by the same player in a row.

There was several different shot's as "spktu"r stated that were played by a roadie, some guy's could bank really well and roll out for that shot or some guys could cut a ball exceptional well and roll out for that one, some liked the combination, and some were just straight up killer's at the jump shot with the big cue ball.

I found out early on that if someone was rolling out to there favorite shot, I would re-roll out to something else!

Yes back in the early 80's ESPN adopted the one-foul rule for Television, so it would speed up playing time and maybe not look as boring to the audience, but there was never a better game than two-foul played for the rotation game.

In my opinion it was certainly more exciting to watch and the better player always won in the long run.


David Harcrow

This was my favorite way to play and quite a bit different from any two fouls. I beat many top notch players by re-pushing and forcing them to play safe or giving it back to me where I would play safe.

Many games were won by waiting for a bad safe or for them to attempt shots that were to difficult even for the top sharp shooters. One really had to understand the concept of the pushout to take advantage of all the strategy that was available to them. The best ball pocketer didn't always win, it usually was the smarter one but he needed to be able to get out when the out was there. I loved that game and can say I can't remember ever losing at it when played with something like seven ahead.