Another Class 101 - How to play this?

klockdoc

klockdoc

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Here is another layout to evaluate. Board seems rather involved with WPC, so I thought I would switch it around. Besides that, I enjoy hearing/seeing others views on suggested methods.

As Jude and AAron_S have stated numerous times, certain situations arise where the play might be whatever is most comfortable for the player shooting.

So, here is another layout I put together.

Your opponent broke, scratched and has left you "Ball In Hand". What is your plan to get out/control this rack? What would you do?

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Shot 1

Shoot the the one up table, slightly clipping the 5 ball and pocketing the 1 ball. Risky shot, but it opens up the rest of the rack.

Shot 2

Pocket the 2 and come out to center table for the 3.

Shot 3

Pocket the 3 and get on the 4 as illustrated.


The problem spots are gone, and the rest of the rack lays out pretty simple.
 
I like Blackjack's solution; however, I wouldn't let whitey out from behind the 7 and 3 on the first shot. I don't trust me to make that long carom. It would make the 2 harder, but it's worth it to stay safe.

-s
 
I mean, you have an opportunity to freeze the cueball to 2 balls and getting your opponent to shoot toward a very uncomfortable part of the table and jacked-up, no less. If he's right-handed, he's screwed. IMO, you commit to the safety & break up the cluster.
 
Jude Rosenstock said:
I mean, you have an opportunity to freeze the cueball to 2 balls and getting your opponent to shoot toward a very uncomfortable part of the table and jacked-up, no less. If he's right-handed, he's screwed. IMO, you commit to the safety & break up the cluster.
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once again, just a bar table player's opinion.

don't let the guy back to the table if you can. i played a safe like this against Brian Gregg and he shoved it up my a$$ with a kick shot. he admitted he was playing for the hit, but hey, it went in.

if you can run out, and have a 2-way, why not try?

-s
 
Like steev, I would mimic Blackjack's solution with one tweak...and I think the 5 will roll more toward the rail, not to the left.

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steev said:
once again, just a bar table player's opinion.

don't let the guy back to the table if you can. i played a safe like this against Brian Gregg and he shoved it up my a$$ with a kick shot. he admitted he was playing for the hit, but hey, it went in.

if you can run out, and have a 2-way, why not try?

-s
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The reason I would not play a 2-way here is simple - I can get a GREAT safety if I commit to it that will likely yield BIH . Seriously, think about how you might kick at this in REAL life and not diagram world. You're jacked-up over two balls shooting into a rail inches away. Good luck.

If I go with the 2-way shot, I take a risk. What if I make the 1-ball and the 5-ball scoots over to another problem (like the nearby 8-ball)? What if the 1-ball hangs and leaves my opponent a kick shot that he can definitely make and run from? These what-ifs are far more probable than - what if I play a great safe and my opponent jacks up over a ball, hits a rail inches away, manages to not jump off the table and goes 2 rails for a perfect kick?

Sorry, I'm playing the safe ALL DAY.
 
steev said:
I like Blackjack's solution; however, I wouldn't let whitey out from behind the 7 and 3 on the first shot. I don't trust me to make that long carom. It would make the 2 harder, but it's worth it to stay safe.

-s
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Yep, emphasis on the safety, as Jude says.

EDIT: Hmm... I see Jude actually says to commit to the safety, which I take to mean ensure the 1 ball doesn't go in and you freeze the CB to the blocking balls (probably cutting off a shot at the 2). I think he's right.

pj
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I'm for the safety also, keeping in mind you want the 1 ball near the eight or the 6-5 for the next safety to get 'em on 3.

What other answer would you expect from WORLD-IS-ON-2?:rolleyes:
 
Patrick Johnson said:
Yep, emphasis on the safety, as Jude says.

EDIT: Hmm... I see Jude actually says to commit to the safety, which I take to mean ensure the 1 ball doesn't go in and you freeze the CB to the blocking balls (probably cutting off a shot at the 2). I think he's right.

pj
chgo
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Absolutely. I want the cueball frozen to both the 3 and 7 and I'm sending the 1-ball off the side-rail directly into the 5/6 cluster. The reason I want to hit the side rail is because I want to insure it's a legal shot because there isn't going to be a world of speed on the 1-ball.
 
klockdoc said:
Here is another layout to evaluate. Board seems rather involved with WPC, so I thought I would switch it around. Besides that, I enjoy hearing/seeing others views on suggested methods.

As Jude and AAron_S have stated numerous times, certain situations arise where the play might be whatever is most comfortable for the player shooting.

So, here is another layout I put together.

Your opponent broke, scratched and has left you "Ball In Hand". What is your plan to get out/control this rack? What would you do?

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I would play it like this. If the one happens to drop I would still have a shot at the 2 ball but if all goes according to plan my opponent won't have a shot at the one ball and the 5 and 6 would be separated and ready for an easy run out.

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I like the safe too

I'd play the safe like this and have a potential game winning combo if I get ball in hand. I'd focus on locking the cueball up though. I don't feel the carom is high enough percentage to both make and not create any other clusters.

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You guys are safety-obsessed. I'll play smart, but I don't pass up many chances to run out.

-s

//someone else plays this way...Earl something?
 
steev said:
You guys are safety-obsessed. I'll play smart, but I don't pass up many chances to run out.

-s

//someone else plays this way...Earl something?
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Actually, if there is one thing I've been criticized for is being too offense-minded. I consider pocketing to be my strength and will often try to run-out with little hesitation.

However, I don't play caroms from 7 feet away that could produce more problems for me and the potential for more problems is pretty obvious here.
 
Neil said:
One thing you safety players have to keep in mind- if you just nick the three while trying to freeze to it or the seven, you will nudge the three to where it will be blocked by the seven. Very real possibility to consider.
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This is VERY true. If you're going to pick a target to run into, it's the 7-ball and for two reasons. The first, as you stated, so you don't create more problems for yourself. The second, by bumping the 7-ball, you will surely guarantee a block to the near side-rail kick shot (the 3-ball will be in the way). It will force your opponent to jack-up with his back at his target and go two rails.
 
I think it comes down to whether you trust your carom abilities. I'm playing the two-way shot.
 
quack, quack quack!!

Which is just my way of saying I'd shoot the sitting ducks one, two, and three and plan to get shape on the four to break out the five/six. If I miss the shape I want from ball to ball I can play probably a better safe sometime later than shooting at the one. No reason to break out the five/six and play safe to give the other person a table this open.

This table is too open to not go offensive with ball in hand in my opinion. Your opponent has to come with one shot to win even if you play safe and as we all know slop counts in nine ball.

Hu
 
steev said:
You guys are safety-obsessed. I'll play smart, but I don't pass up many chances to run out.
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Sorry, play safe breaking up the 5/6 all day here. I'm with Jude (& others).
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