All of the time i look around to find good deals on cues and i found a joss west but i'm not sure if its the real deal. It looks legit but i've never seen one quite like this... Real or Fake almost gives me the impression its a joss cue because it has all black near the joint not that dotted stuff you see on the other joss wests. Give me your opinion whether its real or not thanks. Heres the pictures i got from the seller.
Another cue opinion Joss West..
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It looks like a Joss; not a Joss West.
You can be certain, you have a Joss cue, not a Josswest.
Never seen a JW with rounded points. Definitely a Joss cue. Sorry bud.
Thats a Joss cue, but still a nice cue.
The real question is, how much is the cue?
The real question is, how much is the cue?
Joss.
Shaft doesn't match either.
Late 80's.
On ebay, it would sell for $250-300.
chris G
Shaft doesn't match either.
Late 80's.
On ebay, it would sell for $250-300.
chris G
Ditto.......
Hey Brandon. Bill Stroud (Joss West) did make cues with the outer veneer
being rounded, and the inner Veneers being sharp. I think he started that
back around 1991, but dont quote me on that. I didnt buy a Joss West cue
a few years ago for just that reason. I just Couldnt spend a grand on a
rounded point. Just didnt seem right. Maybe I'm just goofy. Anyways, to
the O.P., I agree that its definitely a Joss East cue, and was also wonder-
ing what the price tag was.
There isnt a Joss East, there is Joss and Josswest.
This cue is a Joss.
And yes, newer Josswest cues have rounded outside points, so does Gina, and a few others.
Ken
Thanks Ken, I know someone told me that before. I'm just getting old.
I didnt know that Ernie did it too.
That's not a Joss West, it's a Joss or sometimes called Joss East. It's a quality production cue, but not a true custom like Bill Stroud's Joss West.
Thanks Ken, I know someone told me that before. I'm just getting old.
I didnt know that Ernie did it too.
I'm not by any means a cue expert, but I think it's a product of using cnc. The bit is rounded and the tips of the points take on the shape of the bit. If I'm wrong, maybe someone can enlighten me. Always good to learn new things.
The guy i was talking to was telling me it was a 1982 joss west but after looking at the jw pictures i realized that it had some really different looks. He wanted $450 for what i thought was a jw which would be a steal but it was all too good to happen that way. Oh well keep on trying. Thanks for the response i can now affirm to myself that its a joss.
Brandon,
You're half right. The part about the tip of the point taking the shape of the cutter is correct, but that doesn't necessarily mean it's CNC'd. It means the pocket was cut with a round endmill but it could also be done with a panto-mill or pantograph. They use the same sort of cutters. With the panto-mill you usually have to get the templates or patterns made on a cnc that are traced with the stylus of the panto-mill to give you the inlay shape. With CNC, a computer guides the cutters path. You can usually get a smaller radius on the points using a cnc because it can move the smaller cutters more accurately and smoothly than a human can using the panto-mill thus breaking less of the expensive little micrograin carbide endmills. The cue in question was done with CNC with rather large cutters so the machine could travel faster and cut deeper in one pass, saving time and breaking less endmills. Joss West uses much smaller endmills to get sharper points, but it takes more time and will cost more in tooling to do. Hope this helps.
Thanks Sherm. I knew you would come through for me. I told you I don't know what I'm talking about 
I apologize in advance ...
Shamadam, I know that you asked not to be quoted, but it is the best segue to show your quote. So, for that; I apologize.
Bill Stroud's first run of "rounded" points actually began in 1980 and you can spot cues that were started in 1979 and finished in 1980 because they will have been done with pantograph-pocket points (rounded) and still have the sideways "W" that marks the cues were made in Colorado Springs (1972-1980). Also true the "inner" veneers will be mitered and thus; sharp.
Bill stroud was likely the 1st cuemaker to use this method. I believe that Dave Kikel used the exact same method and I thought still did, but I have seen a few for sale ads here wherein the cues appear to be short splice. Like others have already mentioned, Ernie Guiterrez does something like this, too.
So, not to hijack this thread, but simply to add to it. The cue in question is a Dan Janes and Co. Joss East and similar to later Schon cues, the veneers are simply re-cut pocket inlays.
I don't think this affects the playability in any real noticable manner.
I don't love the rounded point either, but some people love that sort of thing.
Shamadam, I know that you asked not to be quoted, but it is the best segue to show your quote. So, for that; I apologize.
Bill Stroud's first run of "rounded" points actually began in 1980 and you can spot cues that were started in 1979 and finished in 1980 because they will have been done with pantograph-pocket points (rounded) and still have the sideways "W" that marks the cues were made in Colorado Springs (1972-1980). Also true the "inner" veneers will be mitered and thus; sharp.
Bill stroud was likely the 1st cuemaker to use this method. I believe that Dave Kikel used the exact same method and I thought still did, but I have seen a few for sale ads here wherein the cues appear to be short splice. Like others have already mentioned, Ernie Guiterrez does something like this, too.
So, not to hijack this thread, but simply to add to it. The cue in question is a Dan Janes and Co. Joss East and similar to later Schon cues, the veneers are simply re-cut pocket inlays.
I don't think this affects the playability in any real noticable manner.
I don't love the rounded point either, but some people love that sort of thing.
