Another Deano Cue review

[manwon]

Its fixed,not to be offensive but who are you to judge,some people could find your vette offensive or any of the other pinups in peoples avatars of half naked girls,I personally like both,my gifs changed because the source did and im changing them,happy now?

I personally like the Chicken Chasing the Boy, hey I heard that was John Barton 25 years ago!!!!!!

 

[Fast Lenny]

I personally like the Chicken Chasing the Boy, hey I heard that was John Barton 25 years ago!!!!!!

Im trying to get it back up,its all messed up the links,lol,the link broke and went from spartan chicken to spartan smack your women up.

 

[deanoc]

Fellas settle down,Dean is in Plano and his friend in Dallas is making all of the Deano cues personally,John is a retired engineer who loves pool and is probably the most talented cuemaker I have ever seen considering the short time he has been involved.
Am I saying he is better than Scruggs?
No way ,but I am saying he is probably as good or better than anyone who just got started.
He wants to stay out of the limelight. Especially avoiding the attacks that are little more than ignorant school bully remarks. Anyone who can tell about a cue from a picture,or a story is a jerk and most of us are able to see that clearly.
What do you think of a person who criticizes something without investigation?Thats what we have here.Every buyer is positive about the cue,some people who have never seen it are criticizing.Every time the critics post we recieve more calls to buy the cue.

When I make more shots,and draw the ball farther than with other cues that is not subjective.It is reporting an objective report of observable facts.When everyone else reports the same observable improvement then we can consider the possibility that the cue does play better.
The facts are consistent with our conclusion you will probably play better with the DEANO CUE or one just like it.

Made in Texas by Texans,

and plays good in spite of it,

DEAN

 

[AlexB]

Its fixed,not to be offensive but who are you to judge,some people could find your vette offensive or any of the other pinups in peoples avatars of half naked girls,I personally like both,my gifs changed because the source did and im changing them,happy now?

I did not make any judgment of you personally only your picture. There is a hugh distinction. Violence against women is not funny. EVER.

 

[ericdraven]

i got beer who got chips

i know what this thread needs ...

ROFLMFAO THIS BOARD IS MORE ADDICTING THEN CRACK .IDIOTS RULE

 

[JB Cases]

John, I am sorry however, you need to relax, I am getting a little concerned about your Blood pressure. John, with all due respect, you are an accomplished Business Man, and you have done very well for yourself and I do mean this sincerely. However, you really need to come back down to Earth, buddy you have lost touch with reality. John, you come across like you know everything about this business, and while I am certain you do have a great deal of knowledge you appear to forget your humble beginnings. John everything you have done today could have been done by anyone else, but you put forth the effort necessary to do what you have done.

My problem with you is only on a personal level, John knows it all, John has all the answers, if John did not think of it well it just can not be. John could be a great asset to this or any Billiard Forum, however your personality is abrasive, negative, and it makes you very unpopular. John in place of knowing everything, and being abrasive be helpful, share your vast knowledge in a pleasant manner. John, I truly wish you well you have some major issues, and the biggest one is that you have forgotten where you came from and what it like to think on a multidimensional level in stead of thought the same narrow minded approach you always take.

Have a nice night John!!!!

How about simply addressing the issue? You said I put words in your mouth, I quoted your words verbatim and asked you to explain them to us.

Yes, I am abrasive, to people like you. It's funny Craig but you accuse me of being a "know it all" and in this thread you say that no sneaky pete is worth more than $200.

I think that there are hundreds of cuemakers trying to make a living who would disagree with you.

You make an awful lot of personal assumptions to avoid explaining your own comments. How about simply sticking to the facts and addressing the points you raised?

I brought you several counterpoint examples and I would like to see you comment on those as well as an explanation of exactly what you meant by what you did say that started this.

 

[Fast Lenny]

I did not make any judgment of you personally only your picture. There is a hugh distinction. Violence against women is not funny. EVER.

Oh i certainly agree,if they change again to something then i might just take them off all together,the one went out and then when i was on again it changed so the uploader must have rearranged files first breaking the link and replacing it with that,i used a different uploader so i hope its fixed now and wont break or change again,hopefully they dont change to anything too bad if they do and i find myself banned.

 

[nasc]

Wow, I wondered how long it would take J.B. (the expert on everything billiard-related) to jump into this thread, feet first, both inserted squarely in mouth.

A lot of people on this board know Craig and a lot of us have been to his shop, seen his work, listened to his thoughts on cue-making. There is a HUGE diffence between Craig and yourself - it's called 'ego'. You seem to feel that all the years you have put in have earned you the right to be respected by people around here, yet you continue to flaunt that ego and drive people away. This I am certain of: people who spend less time talking about themsleves and their hugeness, and more time paying attention, will learn more in less time. So naturally I make some assumptions about how much you REALLY know. In addition. the discussions about cue cases showed me a lot about you, and very little of it was positive.

To be quite frank, based on your little Chinese case adventure, and your period of trying to cram your Chinese full-splice cue ideas down our uninterested throats, when I saw the Deano stuff, I immediately thought of you, and figured you had a horse in this race. Now I'm really thinking it.

Finally, Craig makes some good points about you putting words in his mouth. John, you are the ultimate 'spin doctor'.

I do not think john has a horse in this race. If you saw my posts concerning John's cases being made in communist China you would see that I would not side with him. Try the cue, then critique to your hearts content. Dean's cues are going to be made in the USA.

Glen

 

[manwon]

How about simply addressing the issue? You said I put words in your mouth, I quoted your words verbatim and asked you to explain them to us.

Yes, I am abrasive, to people like you. It's funny Craig but you accuse me of being a "know it all" and in this thread you say that no sneaky pete is worth more than $200.

I think that there are hundreds of cuemakers trying to make a living who would disagree with you.

You make an awful lot of personal assumptions to avoid explaining your own comments. How about simply sticking to the facts and addressing the points you raised?

I brought you several counterpoint examples and I would like to see you comment on those as well as an explanation of exactly what you meant by what you did say that started this.

John, I received a number of email from forum members concerning this thread. Dude this is not about my opinion of you, it is about how you are perceived in general by your peer's. John, if I were you I would quit while your ahead, at this point the only person being defamed by your continued posts is Dean. John do not destroy his reputation due to your association with him!!!!!!

I already said that I would have one of Deans cues here in the next couple of days. If I am wrong, I will openly say that I am wrong, there are number of people on this forum who know me personally, unlike you John. When I say something I will stand behind, and my assessment of the cue will be very professional and fair, I think the forum membership deserves that much!!!!!

 

[runscott]

How about for once you try and look at something objectively.

Oh you're right John - I NEVER look at anything objectively.

Here is the thing you can't stand. The "Chinese" do make full splice cues and they make them well. That burns your ass more than anything to know that some people in China could figure out how to splice wood together and end up with good cues. How dare they.

I "can't stand"? It "burns my ass"? lol - I don't CARE. My ass is a perfectly normal 98.6

You can't stand it when I tell you that. Whenever ANYONE says that a Chinese made cue hits good or is good then you cringe.

Yes, you are "uninterested" because you would love to have the right to criticize and denigrate unopposed. All bigots love to have a pulpit. You don't get that with me.

"I can't stand"? John, you give yourself way too much credit - you are providing me with entertainment - nothing more. I'm a 'bigot'? lol
John, I don't care what I "get with you" - so far, I've gotten a whole of nothing.

I don't have any "hugeness". I merely pointed out my experience so that Craig could see from where I speak.

I will concede that I shouldn't have brought Craig's experience or lack thereof into the discussion.

The main thing that pissed me off was his characterization of Dean's customers as suckers and he did do that.

The above I will give you - a lot of people had that reaction to Deano's customers being called 'suckers', but I also feel that Craig and others (myself included) had some valid points concerning our characterization of Deano's customers. You disagree - nothing wrong with that. But you did put words in people's mouths when you claimed that they were saying Deano's cues were bad. That wasn't the complaint and you know it - the complaint was his marketing and people buying into it with imo no good reason. Again, we disagree - that's what makes the world interesting

Are you a sucker for buying Titlists? What makes a Titlist worth more than the sum of parts or it's original retail price? There is your answer.

The difference is huge - Titlists are a known quantity with established market values, and those values are based on solid facts. I won't waste people's time trying to explain to you why Titlist collectors are different from Deano collectors (is there ALREADY such a thing? )

John, just as you took offense at Craig questioning the intelligence of the newbies who are jumping all over these Deano cues without a clue as to what they are, I also took offense at you - for jumping Craig without having a clue as to who he is.

As far as Craig's knowledge of cues, I would personally put up $1,000 on a set between you and Craig - Craig playing with a cue he built and you playing with one you built - DEAD EVEN. And yes, I've seen Craig play, and no, I haven't seen you play - I've only heard you talk.

 

[runscott]

I do not think john has a horse in this race. If you saw my posts concerning John's cases being made in communist China you would see that I would not side with him. Try the cue, then critique to your hearts content. Dean's cues are going to be made in the USA.

Glen

??? I don't think I ever questioned anything you said, or whose side you are on. And...here's the funny part - I never critiqued Deano's cues. I have never played one. I have no real desire to play with one, and certainly not to buy one. In fact, I bowed out of the 'Magic Deano Cue' discussions LONG ago. The only reason I'm back in is because I'm subscribed to this thread and John jumped my friend's butt. I read all the posts between Craig and John, and I thought John 'discussed' the same way he always does - he brought in his straw men and started spinning like hell. If he had done that to someone I didn't know, I probably would have just laughed and moved on.

BTW - I hope everyone is having fun with this stuff. I made homemade meat sauce last night and put together a lasagna tonight with it - be ready in 15. At the same time, I have home-made green chili simmering on the back burner. As I type, I have a wonderful glass of cabernet in front of me. LIFE IS REALLY GOOD - I WISH THE SAME FOR ALL OF YOU!

And I will definitely meet John at some point and buy him a couple of beers - this is the friggin internet and I hope no one's really all that mad at anyone over these Deano cues.

 

[runscott]

How about simply addressing the issue? You said I put words in your mouth, I quoted your words verbatim and asked you to explain them to us.

Yes, I am abrasive, to people like you. It's funny Craig but you accuse me of being a "know it all" and in this thread you say that no sneaky pete is worth more than $200.

I think that there are hundreds of cuemakers trying to make a living who would disagree with you.

You make an awful lot of personal assumptions to avoid explaining your own comments. How about simply sticking to the facts and addressing the points you raised?

I brought you several counterpoint examples and I would like to see you comment on those as well as an explanation of exactly what you meant by what you did say that started this.

John, in re-reading my responses to you, they were a little harsh. My apologies if I came across as an internet bully.

By the way, I still carry one of your old 'nature' cases as my number one, despite our disagreements. I do admit, though, that I'm about to order a Justis

 

[manwon]

??? I don't think I ever questioned anything you said, or whose side you are on. And...here's the funny part - I never critiqued Deano's cues. I have never played one. I have no real desire to play with one, and certainly not to buy one. In fact, I bowed out of the 'Magic Deano Cue' discussions LONG ago. The only reason I'm back in is because I'm subscribed to this thread and John jumped my friend's butt. I read all the posts between Craig and John, and I thought John 'discussed' the same way he always does - he brought in his straw men and started spinning like hell. If he had done that to someone I didn't know, I probably would have just laughed and moved on.

BTW - I hope everyone is having fun with this stuff. I made homemade meat sauce last night and put together a lasagna tonight with it - be ready in 15. At the same time, I have home-made green chili simmering on the back burner. As I type, I have a wonderful glass of cabernet in front of me. LIFE IS REALLY GOOD - I WISH THE SAME FOR ALL OF YOU!

And I will definitely meet John at some point and buy him a couple of beers - this is the friggin internet and I hope no one's really all that mad at anyone over these Deano cues.

Thanks Scott, for all the support, but I think I have him on the ropes!!!!! I mean he is upset and loosing control. The thing I think is wrong with this entire senario is that John is hurting Dean more than anyone and either he is blind or his head has become so big that he can not see it.

Have a good night Scott!!!

 

[runscott]

Thanks Scott, for all the support, but I think I have him on the ropes!!!!! I mean he is upset and loosing control. The thing I think is wrong with this entire senario is that John is hurting Dean more than anyone and either he is blind or his head has become so big that he can not see it.

Have a good night Scott!!!

Thanks Craig. I think ultimately the Deano thing will work itself out - I personally think his marketing strategy is nutzo, but it's his right to try to make a buck however he wants. I think that given the way the board make-up has changed to younger, less-educated people over the last two years, the time is ripe for a strategy like Deano's. If Deano had tried this 3-4 years ago I think he would have just gotten a bunch of laughs from the board. I'll just say "Ericdraven" and leave it at that.

 

[nasc]

??? I don't think I ever questioned anything you said, or whose side you are on. And...here's the funny part - I never critiqued Deano's cues. I have never played one. I have no real desire to play with one, and certainly not to buy one. In fact, I bowed out of the 'Magic Deano Cue' discussions LONG ago. The only reason I'm back in is because I'm subscribed to this thread and John jumped my friend's butt. I read all the posts between Craig and John, and I thought John 'discussed' the same way he always does - he brought in his straw men and started spinning like hell. If he had done that to someone I didn't know, I probably would have just laughed and moved on.

BTW - I hope everyone is having fun with this stuff. I made homemade meat sauce last night and put together a lasagna tonight with it - be ready in 15. At the same time, I have home-made green chili simmering on the back burner. As I type, I have a wonderful glass of cabernet in front of me. LIFE IS REALLY GOOD - I WISH THE SAME FOR ALL OF YOU!

And I will definitely meet John at some point and buy him a couple of beers - this is the friggin internet and I hope no one's really all that mad at anyone over these Deano cues.

Craig and I spoke last night. All is cool. I just wanted to point out, try it before you critique it.I love lasagna, can you e-mail me some?
Glen

 

[manwon]

Thanks Craig. I think ultimately the Deano thing will work itself out - I personally think his marketing strategy is nutzo, but it's his right to try to make a buck however he wants. I think that given the way the board make-up has changed to younger, less-educated people over the last two years, the time is ripe for a strategy like Deano's. If Deano had tried this 3-4 years ago I think he would have just gotten a bunch of laughs from the board. I'll just say "Ericdraven" and leave it at that.

Scott I actually think that Dean is not truly trying to take advantage of anyone. I also think that he is trying to offer something to the general public that is useful. In fact, I also know someone who knows Dean on a personal level and that is where the cue is coming from. Dean is an accomplished 1 pocket player, who knows how a cue should hit. My first post in this thread that has been taken out of context by our good friend John was never aimed at Dean or his cues. However, John had to jump in with a big S on his chest and save the day. Even after I try-ed to let Dean know I was sorry for the impression of my first post John could not leave it alone. John where ever you are, please do not try and help people in the future, because your helpful nature has been much more harmful to Dean and yourself than anything I have said.

 

[ribdoner]

I'm relieved cooler heads are prevailing and the stress level is subsiding.

With the talk of hitting nerves, dentists, Craig drilling John, China,etc., I want to ask John a direct question:

Are you a communist?

1) yes
2) no

If the answer is NO are you concerned that communists are benefiting as a result of your talent and success?

Thanks in advance, Adam


p.s. regardless of the answer I'll continue to respect John for his energy, tenacity,etc., and would look forward sharing bread and beer

 

[nasc]

I'm relieved cooler heads are prevailing and the stress level is subsiding.

With the talk of hitting nerves, dentists, Craig drilling John, China,etc., I want to ask John a direct question:

Are you a communist?

1) yes
2) no

If the answer is NO are you concerned that communists are benefiting as a result of your talent and success?

Thanks in advance, Adam

Tap,Tap,Tap.
Glen

 

[mtorre14]

ok, i just want to jump in here really quick and say that i to recieved my Deano Cue and played with it for about 6 hours today. the cue hits great, solid feel. and moves the cue ball around pretty easy. draw shots are easier, mostly because of the stiff shaft. this cue hits better then both my Dale Perry with a 314-2 shaft(radial pin, on the Dale), and my Meucci with a 314-2 shaft(5/16x18 pin). i just ask that people do not critize the cue until they have had a chance to play with it. anyone that lives california south bay area, that plays at Hardtimes(bellflower) or Mr. Lucky's(torrance) let me know and i'll let you try mine. then you can judge for yourself. thats all i wanted to say. thanks,
Manuel

 

[Fast Lenny]

ok, i just want to jump in here really quick and say that i to recieved my Deano Cue and played with it for about 6 hours today. the cue hits great, solid feel. and moves the cue ball around pretty easy. draw shots are easier, mostly because of the stiff shaft. this cue hits better then both my Dale Perry with a 314-2 shaft(radial pin, on the Dale), and my Meucci with a 314-2 shaft(5/16x18 pin). i just ask that people do not critize the cue until they have had a chance to play with it. anyone that lives california south bay area, that play at Hardtimes(bellflower) or Mr. Lucky's(torrance) let me know and i'll let you try mine. then you can judge for yourself. thats all i wanted to say. thanks,
Manuel

TAP!TAP!TAP!