Right you are but it's a lot easier to rope in the gullible if you preface your remarks with secret or pro techniques.
Another question for the English gurus.
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Right you are but it's a lot easier to rope in the gullible if you preface your remarks with secret or pro techniques.
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My typical patter when showing the use of side spin to a beginner who has never used it before....
(Set up the easy shot in the side as in the video)
OK, let's say you want to get down the table to the 8 ball but you are on the wrong side of your last ball. Just hit it thin and use plenty of right side spin.
A little bit more spin... that's good.
(beginner shoots, cue ball ends two feet short of position after three rails)
OK, almost there. Just hit this one a little harder. A little thinner to keep the speed on the cue ball.
(beginner shoots the shot the second time, cue ball gets straight in on the 8 after four cushions)
Yup. Just like that. It's easy if you use side spin.
This shot is one of my standard demos for the effectiveness of side because even a beginner can get it right with a minimum of coaching.
Oh my. Several people have misread this thread:
First, I shot a multi-rail shot in a nonstandard way (I was asked to post this swoop stroke video). Some players have trouble reaching multiple rails so I've suggested a "fun" swoop stroke yielding short-side shape on the fifth rail, using a good deal of english with a fast, hard stroke, the cue ball hugging the long rail after the first rail kick.
Second, I'm being called a false teacher when I am actually correct, changing the angle of approach into impact via a swoop stroke (as opposed to a more typical pivot english stroke) can change the CB's initial direction and/or the amount of spin for a given shot. I played this shot under Tom Kennedy's watchful eye at our group clinic last month and he liked the ingenuity of it--like me and like others, it's been a good teaching shot. To be fair, Tom tends to swoop all his own english strokes.
Third, I've been accused of lying about my playing ability, so I was asked to post some playing video and combined it with the multi-rail shot. The challenging shots in that video include me making long off-angle cuts at a speedy pace, and particularly at 0:50 (calling a long draw carom to free the 12-ball) and running three balls in two shots at 3:45 from a difficult position, two of the balls clustered near the foot spot.
I agree with Sparkle that the video if actually watched with care speaks for itself.
First, I shot a multi-rail shot in a nonstandard way (I was asked to post this swoop stroke video). Some players have trouble reaching multiple rails so I've suggested a "fun" swoop stroke yielding short-side shape on the fifth rail, using a good deal of english with a fast, hard stroke, the cue ball hugging the long rail after the first rail kick.
Second, I'm being called a false teacher when I am actually correct, changing the angle of approach into impact via a swoop stroke (as opposed to a more typical pivot english stroke) can change the CB's initial direction and/or the amount of spin for a given shot. I played this shot under Tom Kennedy's watchful eye at our group clinic last month and he liked the ingenuity of it--like me and like others, it's been a good teaching shot. To be fair, Tom tends to swoop all his own english strokes.
Third, I've been accused of lying about my playing ability, so I was asked to post some playing video and combined it with the multi-rail shot. The challenging shots in that video include me making long off-angle cuts at a speedy pace, and particularly at 0:50 (calling a long draw carom to free the 12-ball) and running three balls in two shots at 3:45 from a difficult position, two of the balls clustered near the foot spot.
I agree with Sparkle that the video if actually watched with care speaks for itself.
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We don't now and pretty much never have agreed about anything. I was going to be nice and leave it alone but you just continue to misrepresent the facts.
Let's start with the production of the video itself. I probably shouldn't criticize because I don't have a clue how to make a video or how to post it. You want to do zoom lessons and competitions with people, well I don't think it would work very well without a little better camera work.
I'm not about to make a video but if I were I wouldn't put up something as amateurish as you did. I'd have to search out knowledge and/or ask someone with some expertise to help. If one makes a pool demonstration video it's rather important to give the viewers an angle where they can determine whats going on. That's not pool knowledge it's just common sense.
So your lack of attention to detail doesn't get off to a very good start.
What we are able to see is your general approach to the table and your mannerisms as you shoot.
One thing very evident immediately is your break is very weak. Don't hit the headball square or with any power and CB flies all over.
What we can see is someone rushing around the table, inconsistent set up, body and head movement (lifting up) on many shots, very little checking angles, rather large tip gap, excessive speed. In general it's similar to what I see APA 5's and 6's doing.
What's a little tougher to see because of the poor angle is patterns and position. I can see enough however to make some educated guesses. To put it mildly I don't see a lot of attention being given to those areas and I'd venture to say that if we'd seen an overhead view it would be very clear that many shots were haphazardly thought out and/or executed.
As to the so called trickshot, I'll repeat that it's a very simple routine shot that doesn't require any special stroke or bizarre tip manipulation. The reason the CB hits so far down the 1st rail is due to the cut angle and speed, nothing else. Pool 101.
If you want people to get a true perspective of your skills then set up with a good camera angle and play some racks of 10B ghost. It's fairly safe to say you won't be running many racks.
I'm sure you'll be disputing all my points but it's right there for everyone to see. I'm out on this subject.
I can dispute your points concisely. You are 100% wrong and full of hot air.
Can you pull off the shots at 0:50 and 3:45 and post a video here?
He actually plays exactly like I expected. Sort of looks like he went through the John Barton Pool School. What's up with that game choice? Is that Junior 8 Ball?
Hi BD,
My choices were 1) show some racks where I blasted away at the break, leaving a bad cue ball position and 2) since it's been said sight unseen that I can't play well or sequence quickly, run fairly fast (90 seconds per rack).
The game choice was Bowliards. Have you heard of it before? And can you pull off the shots at 0:50 and 3:45 and post a video here?
My hope was you would be kind after seeing me skillfully run out fast, but again, you're being rude. Just like you were when you said sight unseen/voice unheard I cannot sing well, like in this video made for you by request. Have you watched it yet?
Yes, about what I expected also. Not a complete banger but I did expect a little more polish.
Unfortunately there's no way to discuss, debate or argue with the guy due to the DK.
Nothing you can do, the pool world's filled with people who fit Danny D's profile.
Your rudeness combined with your lack of knowledge is indeed a potent combination, like mustard gas.
1) I've apologized on this thread for the camera angle days ago in a busy hall, and reshot some of the video in a quieter spot after getting permission to move a table to place my phone upon
2) I question your trick shot understanding, only one of us has performed in trick shot shows for the public with Mike Massey and Tom Rossman
3) You ignored my comments to BD, and was simply rude to echo his comments--as I wrote, I was playing speed pool, intentionally not bending low, taking practice strokes, etc. and all the balls went into all the holes in 90 seconds per rack
So answer the question: Can you pull off the shots I made at 0:50 and 3:45 and post a video here? I doubt you could even score the ball I made at 1:10 for shape, too, here. How about it? Sound familiar? "You keep talking, let's SEE some pool from you."
You are either a liar or senile, since you've just asked if I wanted your comments on my video posted here, I said no thank you, then you posted your smelly comments anyway. They stink like gas!
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I stated in posts 80, 90 and 94 that I'd let the video speak for itself but of course you continued to spout off. I withheld my evaluation still, until one of your patented re-explanations in post 105 in which you included this:
" I agree with Sparkle that the video if actually watched with care speaks for itself." which you and everyone else knows is a total fabrication.
At that point all bets were off double o. I wasn't about to go out of my way to save you some embarrassment.
I'll echo Fran's past comment that you should seek help with your pathology.
For the umpteenth time, it's a hanger, not a trickshot.
I agree.
It did require my knowledge and skill for those world-topping trick shot experts to invite me/allow me to perform with them/run tables with them in several public venues.
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Yeah, baby, yeah.
For the umpteenth time, can you duplicate any of the five shots I've challenged you with in five minutes of video, or not? Which is it?
I feel led to make sure I understand my pathology. You've accused me of the Dunning-Kruger effect, the phenomenon by which "those least competent in a certain subject area overestimate their skills the most. It also causes those most competent in a subject area to think less of their own talents."
I'm surely the least competent pool teacher/player on Earth. And I've fooled the following stakeholders so far:
* I tricked top pros multiple times into inviting me to playing and trick shot exhibitions, clinics and lessons for the public, and PBIA Master Instructors into visiting my home, collaborating with me on projects, etc.
* I tricked InsidePool into giving me joint and private monthly columns, for years on end
* I tricked my publisher into thousands of dollars for royalties for a pool book, named (as in my signature) to the tops of pool instruction
* I then tricked this publisher, the world's leading academic publisher for university texts, by the way, into funding a three-hour DVD to go with the book--something they did not fund for other books in that book series
* I then tricked many thousands of players into buying the book until it sold out, and then tricked 40 players into writing positive book reviews online
* I later tricked a different publisher into a sequel book to the first
* I tricked a New York Times subsidiary company into hiring me to write hundreds of paid pool articles for nine years
* I then tricked so many online readers that they propelled many of my articles to the front page of Google for pool instruction
* I also tricked students into paying me for continuing lessons, including from last month's clinic
* Plus I tricked a major university into letting me teach beginner and intermediate pool courses for years there, and also coaching their ACUI team for years
* I also tricked several poolrooms and leagues into letting me referee, coach, organize and lead league play for years
* I further tricked those leagues into top player rankings for myself, despite your "insight" that I'm an "APA 5 or 6, maybe"
I think you're right. I'm the living embodiment of the Dunning-Kruger effect, "the phenomenon by which those least competent in a certain subject area overestimate their skills the most."
And for the umpteenth time+1, can you duplicate any of the five shots I've challenged you with in five minutes of video, or not? Which is it?
If you wish it, I can tell you about your pathology via this thread or, if that's easier for you personally, PM.
And yet your incessant bragging and namedropping doesn't seem to impress anybody here on this forum for pool players. Your self-applause looks like deep insecurity.
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Are you familiar with the psychological phenomenon known as projection?
OMG, talk about the pot calling the kettle black.
You sir, are completely out of touch with reality.
I agree with your analysis of the video --- and then some... but just as a reminder, he is incapable of ending a discussion. It will end only when you allow it to end by letting him post last.
Hi Fran,
Was your friend Tony Robles a shill when he was a paid demonstrator for my website, or as a man of integrity, did he review my teaching website and agree I'm a fine teacher?