Antonio Lining

[Bayawak]

Antonio "Nickoy" Lining

So, who's ranked higher, based on the following finishes:
Player A: 1st, 99th, 5th
Player B: 2nd, 3rd, 2nd

There are many players that we've never hear of that play top-notch pool. Ever heard of Yukio Akakariyama? Yong Dai? Toh Lian Han? Hao Xiang Han? Muhammad Bewi Siamanjuntak?

Lining:
http://www.azbilliards.com/thepros/2000showplayer2011.php?playernum=224

Hey Black-Balled, how ya doing, my man? Were you with us at Jack and Jill's several years ago when I had Gallego, Lining and Kiamco all at the same time? We were looking for action at J&J but nobody was biting, so I told them to pick whom they think they would likely play from among the three of them.

Long story short, they picked Lining because they said he did not look intimidating at all. Of course they had to ask for a ton of weight t which they got eventually after a lengthy barking.

I can't be sure now but I think he played tall, skinny Max with the 7&8 for some serious change. It was a race to 11 and the score was 9-7 when Lining did a shot that defied all conventional argument.

The balls were bunched on the on the long rail of the table. Lining was shooting for the 5 but he couldn't get out because of the layout of the balls. The 9 was sitting by the corner pocket downside, he was shooting at the 5 up table. He turned to us and he said that he is going to make the 9 with the shot on the 5. I looked at him and all I could say was "Really?".

He shot the five, drew the cue ball, and the weirdest thing happened! The cue ball kept coming down the rail but curved twice, hit the rail again and missed the intervening balls and finally kicked the 9 in!!

Max stood up; and unscrewed his cue and said that he is done. To all the doubting Thomases out there, I have this to say. Antonio Lining is a winner and a champion and fully deserves the title of No.1 player.

I never booked a loser with Nickoy in all the years that we gambled here in the East Coast.:clapping::clapping:

 

[JoeyInCali]

The only thing I can add to this is I'm looking for the line of people who want to play him, chirp chirp chirp. Oh wait there is no line, the dudes a beast and has one of the highest $ gears I've ever seen.

In the current days of Alex, Shane, Earl, Fransisco, Efren, you all forgot about Antonio.

Efren told us Lining and Martinez have the most powerful strokes he's seen.

 

[Cameron Smith]

these rankings don't mean anything anyhow. There are only five tournaments which are utilized and all but one is in Asia. If there were more tournaments and they were spread around a little more, I'm sure you'd see a shake up in these rankings.

Considering how few players compete in all events, it appear that all you need to do to get a top 100 rankings is compete in every event. Not win many or any matches, just show up to all 5.

 

[Black-Balled]

these rankings don't mean anything anyhow. ...it appear that all you need to do to get a top 100 rankings is compete in every event. Not win many or any matches, just show up to all 5.

That is a strategy too!

Thanks for the input, B-Wak. I was not there when you had that gang around. Wish I was...

I did catch Efren/ Boggs there though. That was enough for me to know!

 

[Mole Eye]

In response to me being poolnewcomer. Not hardly. I've been playing for over 40 years, and operated a pool hall for 6 years in a small community. Unfortunately, before streaming, and because of next to none television exposure, the best players in the world don't get a lot of exposure. As I have already said, I am sure that Mr. Lining is a fabulous player, but I have never heard anyone say he belongs in the conversation as THE BEST. That conversation is reserved for Immonen, Appleton, Orcullo, Reyes, Strickland, Bustamante, and some others who I have no doubt overlooked, so don't get all upset. The people that you wanted to know what they've won on the WPA- well, that's not the only tour. These names are known because they WIN- not because they finished second 14 times. If you don't know what these people have won- maybe you haven't been paying attention to the other tours, because they have won plenty RECENTLY. Maybe you need to check AZ Billiards more often

 

[sengkun108]

In response to me being poolnewcomer. Not hardly. I've been playing for over 40 years, and operated a pool hall for 6 years in a small community. Unfortunately, before streaming, and because of next to none television exposure, the best players in the world don't get a lot of exposure. As I have already said, I am sure that Mr. Lining is a fabulous player, but I have never heard anyone say he belongs in the conversation as THE BEST. That conversation is reserved for Immonen, Appleton, Orcullo, Reyes, Strickland, Bustamante, and some others who I have no doubt overlooked, so don't get all upset. The people that you wanted to know what they've won on the WPA- well, that's not the only tour. These names are known because they WIN- not because they finished second 14 times. If you don't know what these people have won- maybe you haven't been paying attention to the other tours, because they have won plenty RECENTLY. Maybe you need to check AZ Billiards more often

Sir, I do know that Immonen, souqet, and Aplleton is a very good player and achieve a lot of trophy in the past include a world champion 9 ball, 8 ball and 10 ball. i know exactly that they are a beast and in every tourney they come in they consider being a candidates for champion.

But, we are talking about WPA tourney here not other organization tourney. And second we are talking about this year event schedule. And you post about a player is considered good if he is a champion on WPA tourney this year and they are not champion there and you still bring those name to us.



Listen sir, the reason people in usa don't talk about Lining is because :

1. az is based on USA, if you are a japanese or a pinoy i'm sure you know everything about him. Just the same reason that many asian never consider SVB, Appleton, Darrly Peach as a candidates of champion . Why? it's not because they are not a good player, it's more about we never heard their name much. But, to doubt their rank on AZ is ridiculous because rank system on every organization is based from the fact. it is the fact that on 2009 Appleton achieve a no 1 rank on az because he gain alot of money from tourney that year. Now what tourney we are talking about, it is a tourney that AZ consider good only. Like Boxing, they have WBA Champion, WBO Champion, IBF Champion and alot more. to consider the cahmpion of the world only from IBF point of view and underestimate other champion is simply ridiculous.


What i'm complaining from you is you still defend yourself and you try to said that Lining is not as good as Immonen, Souqet and Appletton. that is a wrong opinion

 

[Mole Eye]

Sir, you misunderstand my post. I am not questioning his WPA rank. That is the WPA's business. I am not questioning his ability, because I have never seen him play. I am stating that in order to be considered the best, you ought to win something. Until Mr. Lining wins, he is not on the same level as those who do. I'd bet good money that if you asked Antonio Lining what his goal is, it is to win a prestigious tournament. If he is as good as those who have seen him say, he probably will. I'd like to see him play, but unless he comes to a tournament that is streamed where I can watch it, I probably won't. You are defending Mr. Lining, when he needs no defense. I would say the same thing for ANY player who holds a number one rank, when they haven't won anything.

 

[Laura Norder]

I took this thread to be questioning why the WPA ranks Lining @#1.

If one takes the WPA's ranking to mean anything past WPA ranking...well, then there is a logic error and it is not needing further discussion.

*hands up* - you're right Black-Balled. I was reading the OP's question in the only way I thought it would make sense. That'll teach me!

To the OP - what other ways are there to construct a ranking/league table other than to reward and highlight overall consistency?

Maybe I'm being blind but what you're suggesting would just read as a list of winners....

 

[u12armresl]

You don't need the internet or streaming, if you don't know Ant, then you're just a casual player regardless of the number of years that you have played or the pool hall you owned. He's been to little crappy towns in every state as well as all the major big city pool halls, and played a ton of people, pretty sure he's even been really close to where you are.

Like I said previously, and like Huckster said, there is no line to play him and the offer has been out there for as long as I can remember.

You sound rather bitter, I'd probably be bitter also if I had played 40 years and didn't know of probably the top 10 gamblers, shotmakers, players around. For sure top 10 gamblers.

Did you read what huckster said? Anyone today want to step up and try something like that game?

In response to me being poolnewcomer. Not hardly. I've been playing for over 40 years, and operated a pool hall for 6 years in a small community. Unfortunately, before streaming, and because of next to none television exposure, the best players in the world don't get a lot of exposure. As I have already said, I am sure that Mr. Lining is a fabulous player, but I have never heard anyone say he belongs in the conversation as THE BEST. That conversation is reserved for Immonen, Appleton, Orcullo, Reyes, Strickland, Bustamante, and some others who I have no doubt overlooked, so don't get all upset. The people that you wanted to know what they've won on the WPA- well, that's not the only tour. These names are known because they WIN- not because they finished second 14 times. If you don't know what these people have won- maybe you haven't been paying attention to the other tours, because they have won plenty RECENTLY. Maybe you need to check AZ Billiards more often

 

[Mole Eye]

If I sound bitter- I am not. I didn't say I haven't heard of him, just that I haven't personally seen him. As I said, I don't doubt he is a great player- but don't tell me he's the best player on tour if he can't win a tournament. Yes, I am a casual player. I am not any where near a professional level. However, I can read, and nowhere do I see the name of Mr. Lining in the winner's circle. If all it takes to be considered the best is to finish second or third every week, well, that's ok for you. We obviously disagree. Someone once said, nobody remembers who finished second. Apparently, some do.

 

[Black-Balled]

If I sound bitter- I am not. I didn't say I haven't heard of him, just that I haven't personally seen him. As I said, I don't doubt he is a great player- but don't tell me he's the best player on tour if he can't win a tournament. Yes, I am a casual player. I am not any where near a professional level. However, I can read, and nowhere do I see the name of Mr. Lining in the winner's circle. If all it takes to be considered the best is to finish second or third every week, well, that's ok for you. We obviously disagree. Someone once said, nobody remembers who finished second. Apparently, some do.

And we have come full circle. See below quotes.

Lining's 'winner's circle' can be measured in cash and the respect of his fellow players: as they say, the belt just hold up your pants.

The only thing I can add to this is I'm looking for the line of people who want to play him, chirp chirp chirp. Oh wait there is no line, the dudes a beast and has one of the highest $ gears I've ever seen.

In the current days of Alex, Shane, Earl, Fransisco, Efren, you all forgot about Antonio.

That is what I was gonna say: who wants to play Lefty?

It is a real short list.

 

[richiebalto]

You asked and you shall receive!!!!!

http://wpa-pool.com/web/rankings


KD

I WISH I COULD PLAY AS GOOD AS THE LAST PLAYER ON THAT LIST,255th!

 

[Mole Eye]

I am going to do a little research and check the tournament finishes since January 2010. I'll post it when I finish.

 

[u12armresl]

Ok cool.

Here is an option also. Take a person from your state who you consider a great player, shortstop, good gambler, etc. and then ask them how much they would like to get some huge spot like the 5 or 6 and not be able to get there because they had so many 5 6 and 7 packs put on them.

Like they say, it doesn't matter what you're gettin if you aren't getting to the table. He did,does,will give up incredible weight to players who you rank above him.

You think Ralph, Thorsten, Darren, want any part of him? Maybe Darren in some sort of a game, but it would involve a large spot.

I am going to do a little research and check the tournament finishes since January 2010. I'll post it when I finish.

 

[Mr441]

Ok cool.

Here is an option also. Take a person from your state who you consider a great player, shortstop, good gambler, etc. and then ask them how much they would like to get some huge spot like the 5 or 6 and not be able to get there because they had so many 5 6 and 7 packs put on them.

Like they say, it doesn't matter what you're gettin if you aren't getting to the table. He did,does,will give up incredible weight to players who you rank above him.

You think Ralph, Thorsten, Darren, want any part of him? Maybe Darren in some sort of a game, but it would involve a large spot.

If he's really that good then why doesn't he ever win a major? There's probably what I would consider at least 5 real major events a year in 9ball/10ball alone. Lining's been playing for a long time, there have been 50 major's in the last 10 years and he's never won one....why?

 

[sengkun108]

Sir, you misunderstand my post. I am not questioning his WPA rank. That is the WPA's business. I am not questioning his ability, because I have never seen him play. I am stating that in order to be considered the best, you ought to win something. Until Mr. Lining wins, he is not on the same level as those who do. I'd bet good money that if you asked Antonio Lining what his goal is, it is to win a prestigious tournament. If he is as good as those who have seen him say, he probably will. I'd like to see him play, but unless he comes to a tournament that is streamed where I can watch it, I probably won't. You are defending Mr. Lining, when he needs no defense. I would say the same thing for ANY player who holds a number one rank, when they haven't won anything.

I'm not defending him not at all....

and i think i'm not the one who misunderstood here. You sir, the one who really don't know what you want to ask or to share with make a thread like this.

Your Title thread is ANTONIO LINING it's okay with me..

Your first post is told us that you was curious about how WPA ranked him on no 1 position this year...

now you telling me that i misunderstood and you are not talking about WPA rank

on your thrid and fourth post, you told us you only considered champion on tourney as should be on first rank. And suddenlly on the fifth post you bring up the name like Souqet, immonen, orcullo and Aplleton. if you stick your opinion about orcullo maybe we will have some arguement since he is a champion of 10 ball world, but Aplletton, Immonen and Souqet.


You know what?? Maybe you just want to talk about the BEST PLAYER in the world. now that is a different kind of topic. You have to close this thread and make a new one with the title maybe BEST PLAYER on my opinion..or something like that.

When a member jump to this thread and read your title and post, they must be thinking about :
1. this thread is about WPA rank
2. That you disrespect Antonio Lining by questioning him to be place no 1 on WPA rank this year ( Or this is exactly what you feel about him, that he is totally not deserved rank no 1 and you feel people like Souqet, Immonen and Aplletton is more deserved to be place no 1 than Lining this year:scratchhead

Best
Dedy

 

[sengkun108]

If he's really that good then why doesn't he ever win a major? There's probably what I would consider at least 5 real major events a year in 9ball/10ball alone. Lining's been playing for a long time, there have been 50 major's in the last 10 years and he's never won one....why?

Because this is a tourney, every pro can beat every pro with race to 9 or race to 11. To become a champion on every pool tourney you must have a big LUCK, that's why every time Reyes asked by many of his fans how can he achieve the trophy, he will reply LUCK.

Luck is a big factor to you if you want to be a champion. Just look Huidji see. i'm not saying that he is not a good player, but i believe that many player that have a skill above him that involved on the tourney but still he the one who won the trophy. Look at a semifinalist, who si Yukio, Fujian bo also not a big gun right there and there is Carlo Biado. Im sure many american do not know his name, but he is a really good money game now in phillipines.

Yang ching shun is another Big name that never achieve a major tourney trophy. But he is a king of asian money game a couple years ago. ALL Pinoy top player is respect his game. He beat Orcullo two time on Orcullo hometown and won hundred thousand dollar money.

 

[u12armresl]

Thanks for the post sengkun.

He won 100k US EU? Coming and playing The Orc on his home table is worth a ball automatically in a game where almost everyone in the world isn't going to win in the first place.

Because this is a tourney, every pro can beat every pro with race to 9 or race to 11. To become a champion on every pool tourney you must have a big LUCK, that's why every time Reyes asked by many of his fans how can he achieve the trophy, he will reply LUCK.

Luck is a big factor to you if you want to be a champion. Just look Huidji see. i'm not saying that he is not a good player, but i believe that many player that have a skill above him that involved on the tourney but still he the one who won the trophy. Look at a semifinalist, who si Yukio, Fujian bo also not a big gun right there and there is Carlo Biado. Im sure many american do not know his name, but he is a really good money game now in phillipines.

Yang ching shun is another Big name that never achieve a major tourney trophy. But he is a king of asian money game a couple years ago. ALL Pinoy top player is respect his game. He beat Orcullo two time on Orcullo hometown and won hundred thousand dollar money.

 

[Black-Balled]

If he's really that good then why doesn't he ever win a major? ...why?

Because this is a tourney, every pro can beat every pro with race to 9 or race to 11. ...

Thanks for the post sengkun...

Agreed on all the above.

Let's say perfect pool is rated a 10...
To win at 9b, one can play at a much lower level- 7? 6? 5?- and still win a set to 9 or 11. That is why we mortals play 9b and sometimes beat players much better than we are .

In tournaments, I have overpowered guys I wouldn't play for $ getting the 7.

In a big Pro event there are at least dozens of guys who play at a 9 level...because one can win playing a 7 level, all participants are actually equally capable of winning.

Bump that race to 11 out to a race to 100 and the differences begin to appear...as U12 mentioned, those 5,6,7 packs become real hard to defend against.

 

[Bayawak]

Agreed on all the above.

Let's say perfect pool is rated a 10...
To win at 9b, one can play at a much lower level- 7? 6? 5?- and still win a set to 9 or 11. That is why we mortals play 9b and sometimes beat players much better than we are .

In tournaments, I have overpowered guys I wouldn't play for $ getting the 7.

In a big Pro event there are at least dozens of guys who play at a 9 level...because one can win playing a 7 level, all participants are actually equally capable of winning.

Bump that race to 11 out to a race to 100 and the differences begin to appear...as U12 mentioned, those 5,6,7 packs become real hard to defend against.

Black-balled, that's a very accurate explanation on this subject about Nickoy. I really believe that among these pro players whoever gets up on the right side of the bed is liable to win, because the skill differences become negligible after getting warmed or getting into strokes. Both will make shots, both will run out if given the chance.

Experience and knowledge of the game come into play at this point. On a long race the better player will win because he will have time to assert and adjust his game and winning attitude.

In all the years that I've run around with top Filipino players, Lining has had the least invite to gamble from these top pro players who like to gamble.

That's my story and I'm sticking to it!!!