I’m talking about Jesus. I watched him play a little. Shouldn’t have been allowed to play, but there were plenty of people in that tournament who can beat him in a race to 7.
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I’m talking about Jesus. I watched him play a little. Shouldn’t have been allowed to play, but there were plenty of people in that tournament who can beat him in a race to 7.
Yes. Same guy.
Hey 9,
The convention centers at all the Caesar's Casino's are independently operated. The door nazi's do not work for The Rio. All the food and drink is offered by the concession holder. Their return on investment is directly tied to the prices they charge. Sad situation.
Lyn
I agree that the relatively new(2 years) rule to allow discussion/ talking between Scotch Doubles partners while at the table is ridiculous. It was intended to speed up play, but has had the opposite effect. Now most of the time the better player constantly dictates to their partner what shot or safety to play and how to shoot it - often taking way too long to decide what to do. There is very little advantage anymore in having an experienced partner that knows what to do in crucial situations.
I'm elated to read a decent, constructive, informative thread on AzBilliards with not flaming or mean-spirited remarks. 
It's the AzB "regulars" that make this forum great. Hail, hail, the gang's all here! :smile:
Thanks to all for the contributions to this thread. For those of us who did not attend, it is an excellent read! :smiling-heart:
It's the AzB "regulars" that make this forum great. Hail, hail, the gang's all here! :smile:
Thanks to all for the contributions to this thread. For those of us who did not attend, it is an excellent read! :smiling-heart:
Thanks for the input Mike. While the established players have increased from 31% to 54% from last year, that still leaves 46% unestablished.
For players that used to wait all year for this particular event to have a chance at competing with guys across the country, it's a shame to have an opponent that is not rated correctly.
If a new guy moves to Tucson Az, I can watch him play for about 45 minutes to an hour and get his Fargo within 25 points of where he/she should be. We have weekly tournaments that they can play and get established fairly quickly.
It just seems weird that all over the country and Canada, these guys continue to show up with rating lower than they should and cash deep in their divisions. These guys are definitely pool players that play many hours to get as good as they are. How is it, there area has little to no input?
The other thing we have done for years with new players or unestablished players locally. We let them play in our tournament but tell them it will be at the highest rating. If they are a road play that is unknown(very rare) it seems justified. If they are actually a lower rated player we can adjust their rating. Either way, it is done to protect the local players from being shafted by an under-rated player.
CSI could make unestablished players play 50 points higher than their low robust rating. This would eliminate all this sand-bagging. It would also encourage players to get games into Fargo and have an honest rating. A win/win for everybody involved.
I know the system isn't perfect and there will always be a couple guys slipping through the cracks. For those, CSI could handle them similar to the Taiwanese players that thought the OPEN division was the trophy division
a couple years back. Just my thoughts.....
Nice venue.
Nice tournament.
Great tables.
Fargo still weak.
No Super Senior Div.
I will return.
randyg
Nice tournament.
Great tables.
Fargo still weak.
No Super Senior Div.
I will return.
randyg
Thanks for the responses so far...Lot's of great info that I didn't know....Glad someone did some research on this.....Things I was wondering about were answered here...Fargo rating and etc.....
I have gone now for 21 years straight....I will continue to go because I love pool that much....I'm not happy with coaching in scotch doubles but it is what it is...I did notice attendance was way down...Yes food and drinks are high but thats just how it is....I just don't drink as much or eat until I get out of pool room...Things were ran a lot better then last year, so improvements were made...
Our team started a match at 11:30 am on Friday...Got done about 1:30 pm...Our next match was at 4:30 pm, so we ran and ate something...We then played straight thru and finished at 1:10 am.in the morning......We lost that match but if we had won we played again at 9:00 am next morning.....We finished 7-8th place....
I had a singles match the same way...Got done at 1:00am......
I'm still tired...But...I will be back next year...There are things that could be improved on but it's too much fun for me to not go......When you think about it there is a lot of work that goes into scheduling and so on with so many players and well. I sure wouldn't want to do it....I'm confident things will improve....
I have gone now for 21 years straight....I will continue to go because I love pool that much....I'm not happy with coaching in scotch doubles but it is what it is...I did notice attendance was way down...Yes food and drinks are high but thats just how it is....I just don't drink as much or eat until I get out of pool room...Things were ran a lot better then last year, so improvements were made...
Our team started a match at 11:30 am on Friday...Got done about 1:30 pm...Our next match was at 4:30 pm, so we ran and ate something...We then played straight thru and finished at 1:10 am.in the morning......We lost that match but if we had won we played again at 9:00 am next morning.....We finished 7-8th place....
I had a singles match the same way...Got done at 1:00am......
I'm still tired...But...I will be back next year...There are things that could be improved on but it's too much fun for me to not go......When you think about it there is a lot of work that goes into scheduling and so on with so many players and well. I sure wouldn't want to do it....I'm confident things will improve....
Why Randy, are you really that old?
Adding another division would only slice the pie even thinner. Beside, isn't Fargo the be all, end all? Anyway, if I was old enough to play Super Seniors .........
Lyn
uh-oh. There is trouble in these numbers.
Why not disqualify them. ?
There was a policy change from last year to this year about who is eligible for these events. Last year you could not play league and just pay an extra fee to get in. This year you couldn't. I don't know how big this is, but my understanding was they expected a drop in these numbers.
I wish BCAPL luck in finding the right format and schedule to bring the attendance up.
Moving the tournament to March might bring back those that are not attending due to the July heat.
However, the tournaments are going to lose folks with kids in school. Scheduling the tournament for the first week of March puts it right in front of spring break. A lot of families take trips and plan activities for spring break. For the players, It will be difficult to take off work for a week for the pool tournament, come home and then take the family on vacation.
I imagine that I am not going to be the only pool player with a job, and kids in school, that will not attending the tournament when it gets moved to March.
Moving the tournament to March might bring back those that are not attending due to the July heat.
However, the tournaments are going to lose folks with kids in school. Scheduling the tournament for the first week of March puts it right in front of spring break. A lot of families take trips and plan activities for spring break. For the players, It will be difficult to take off work for a week for the pool tournament, come home and then take the family on vacation.
I imagine that I am not going to be the only pool player with a job, and kids in school, that will not attending the tournament when it gets moved to March.
Rider,
There is a statement on the entry form about changes in your Fargo between entering and the beginning of play. Think BCAPL "turned its head" not to see this problem developing. Entries were already way, way down. Still think it is all about the sanction and registration fees. JMHO.
Lyn
Mike,
They did have a change in the policy. In recent years, CSI player members were able to play in the same singles brackets as the league players. This changed this this year so that the CSI player members play in their own bracket. This bracket is pretty much unlimited Fargo Rate/Open. Take my wife for example. She has a fargo rate less than 300. In the women's CSI members division, anyone with a rating less than 720 can play. As expected, a lot of the folks with the low Fargo Rate are not going to enter as all they are doing is paying 20 bucks a game to get beat.
http://www.playcsipool.com/uploads/7/3/5/9/7359673/pr170906.pdf
Did you get these Fargo ratings from the BCA entry lists, which have their locked-in Fargo ratings used to place people, or did you get these by looking them up after the tournament? Because, by definition if you do well in the tournament your Fargo rating will go up. To place in a big tournament like that, you’re probably playing 50-100 games, and for a lot of people that’s a big chunk of your games in the system.
In any case, you need to compare it not to perfection, but to what it was before Fargo was used. And now that the Fargo league mngmt system is being released, you’ll have a lot fewer mystery people coming from the leagues.
Good points.
Another thing worth mentioning is that for lower level players who don't play all that frequently - practicing to get ready for Vegas and then being completely immersed in pool while they are there can really, really elevate their game.
Why Randy, are you really that old?
Adding another division would only slice the pie even thinner. Beside, isn't Fargo the be all, end all? Anyway, if I was old enough to play Super Seniors .........
Lyn
I just feel like I have earned the right to play in the Super Seniors.
I play against the Kids all the time. The first couple of days is ok, then my age shows up.
randyg
Nobody works harder than you and Scott at that event.
So true...
We'll see Randy and his foursome (e.g Jerry Breisteth...) in Fargo in a couple weeks
--the real deal...