Anyone Ever Heard Of This Road Player?

fdambi

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I heard about a road player who came through Arizona between 10-15 years ago, maybe 20 years ago, who was known as "The Hat Man". My friend Jeff Pranke said he didn't know the guy's real name, but this "Hat Man" was the best he'd ever seen. Said the guy beat everyone in AZ. Said the guy had a bit of a drug problem, went to prison for a while, then vanished. Jeff told me the man just never missed, and could play everything. Jeff has seen all the greats play, even ran a Monday night tournament at the old Golden 8-Ball when it was still open. He maintains this guy, "The Hat Man" was just unbelievable...even better than Mark Tademy when Mark was beating everyone on the road. I want to know if anyone out there knows who "The Hat Man" was or what his real name is.
 
Had many monikors-around 20 yrs ago-never went to prison, just quit the road. Not the type of drugs you think. Had diabetes took insulin shots and pills. Had mood swings due to spikes in blood sugar levels, acted weired sometimes because of it. When suger levels were right rarely missed makeable balls, no matter what the game.
 
There was a player up here recently that was rumored to just have gotten out of jail for drugs. I think his name was Rick Hodges or Hodge. He beat a lot of good players in the Cadillac Island 8-ball tourney that Mike Zimmerman won.
 
Varney Cues said:
Maybe Rich Geiler? Ask Jay...he'll know.

Rich was and still is known as the "hat", lives in Washington (state). He still plays quite well but not as good as Mark played back then. For the cash, Tad was one of the best.
 
fdambi said:
I heard about a road player who came through Arizona between 10-15 years ago, maybe 20 years ago, who was known as "The Hat Man". My friend Jeff Pranke said he didn't know the guy's real name, but this "Hat Man" was the best he'd ever seen. Said the guy beat everyone in AZ. Said the guy had a bit of a drug problem, went to prison for a while, then vanished. Jeff told me the man just never missed, and could play everything. Jeff has seen all the greats play, even ran a Monday night tournament at the old Golden 8-Ball when it was still open. He maintains this guy, "The Hat Man" was just unbelievable...even better than Mark Tademy when Mark was beating everyone on the road. I want to know if anyone out there knows who "The Hat Man" was or what his real name is.

Jack Hines was said to be in that area around then also. He might fit the profile better. There were a number of road players in the 60's-80's that stayed under the radar, played for a while and seemed to disappear or surface later with a different name. Jr. W was in the southwest during or around that time frame too-another very good hitter.
 
I played at Rich Geiler's pool room (when he had one) that was in Renton, Washington. I blew one of his buddies' a## off the table while Rich watched from the next table. He was a real jerk and made faces and funky body motions behind my back while I was shooting. Everyone was giggling like I did not know what was up. That guy may shoot a good game, but he is not a winner at the game of life. Stomped the friend, left and never went back. He was out of business sometime thereafter.
 
I used to have an Accustat tape where Rich took a bathroom break playing Bobby Hunter. Bobby asked the ref if he could continue shooting, he did and I believe it was like a 6 pack he laid down. Rich went to the bathroom it was 2-2 and returned with Bobby on the hill...classic.:D
 
the hat man

i think i can answer your question it was probaly jerry brock he had a jail sentence hanging over his head no won knew his name he served his time in florida and i saw him at the derby city ,i hit balls with him on table one at the golden 8 ,when we started the first time nobody watched but after a few days the word got around he was a champion,we were drawing a crowd me racking of course,he ran a few 5 packs acted like it was nothing his cue ball was the great all ways in the right spot never had to shoot a hard shot. i did even know who he was at the time.i was security at the golden eight for years,played a little sometimes my name is tim tell your friend jeff p i said hy,he will remember me.i still keep in touch with a few freinds out in az i will return someday ,best wishes Tim
 
ginsu said:
Rich was and still is known as the "hat", lives in Washington (state). He still plays quite well but not as good as Mark played back then. For the cash, Tad was one of the best.

Rich does play well. I think it is something mental with Rich that keeps him from running all over the NW pool scene. When I saw him play in 1998 or so, he looked like he "belonged" on a pool table. I never did understand from what I saw, why certain people beat him.

But I think yer right, Rich was never as strong as Mark even back in the day. It's a tricky thing, though. Sometimes people who aren't around stone gambling on a daily basis often misjudge skill by ignoring crucial factors like pocket size.

As an example, Barry Emerson once came into City Lights in Tacoma and ran seven racks on someone on a side table for a small amount. Now, to look at that kind of performance, you'd think Barry was the equal of some top pros. Not so. The pockets back then at City Lights were fairly forgiving.

That's why I tend to only take comparative skill opinions seriously if they come from top players. Even then, I take it with a grain of salt, as a certain player's personality might give them a half ball skill adjustment in someone's mind, just because the person giving the opinion liked the player.

Russ
 
Varney Cues said:
I used to have an Accustat tape where Rich took a bathroom break playing Bobby Hunter. Bobby asked the ref if he could continue shooting, he did and I believe it was like a 6 pack he laid down. Rich went to the bathroom it was 2-2 and returned with Bobby on the hill...classic.:D

I wish John Schmidt who plays with a Bobby Hunter cue would chime in on this after he talks to Bobby. That is funny stuff.
Thanks,
JoeyA
 
BillYards said:
I played at Rich Geiler's pool room (when he had one) that was in Renton, Washington. I blew one of his buddies' a## off the table while Rich watched from the next table. He was a real jerk and made faces and funky body motions behind my back while I was shooting. Everyone was giggling like I did not know what was up. That guy may shoot a good game, but he is not a winner at the game of life. Stomped the friend, left and never went back. He was out of business sometime thereafter.

Hmmm... I never heard anyone else have anything bad to say about Rich. Maybe you were being a little sensitve? Every time I was around Rich, he was always telling a joke, or doing something to get a laugh. Maybe he was just going for a laugh from the spectators.

Here's a story.. Rich is talking to a couple of us younger players in a pool hall. We happen to be sitting by the bar tables. Rich says, "You guys want to see a trick shot?" We say yes, and he sets up a shot, and says, "I'm gonna jump this cue ball in between these two balls to land on this ball.. which will jump between a second set of balls and into the corner.. meanwhile the cue ball will draw back and pocket a ball in the side.."

Now.. Imagine the shot as I desribed it. A fairly tough trick shot. He misses it BADLY the first time.. Steps right back up and says, and I quote.. "A free steak dinner for everybody if I miss it this time!" and makes the shot perfectly the second time. I never saw anything like it.

He seemed like a really cool dude to me, but I didn't spend any time around his pool hall.

Russ
 
BillYards said:
I played at Rich Geiler's pool room (when he had one) that was in Renton, Washington. I blew one of his buddies' a## off the table while Rich watched from the next table. He was a real jerk and made faces and funky body motions behind my back while I was shooting. Everyone was giggling like I did not know what was up. That guy may shoot a good game, but he is not a winner at the game of life. Stomped the friend, left and never went back. He was out of business sometime thereafter.

You are invited to play at Buffalo Billiards in New Orleans Bill. I like your post.
JoeyA
 
JoeyA said:
I wish John Schmidt who plays with a Bobby Hunter cue would chime in on this after he talks to Bobby. That is funny stuff.
Thanks,


That episode kept me laughing for months.
 
ginsu said:
Jack Hines was said to be in that area around then also. He might fit the profile better. There were a number of road players in the 60's-80's that stayed under the radar, played for a while and seemed to disappear or surface later with a different name. Jr. W was in the southwest during or around that time frame too-another very good hitter.

Its not Jr. - he had a room in Tucson.
 
fdambi said:
I heard about a road player who came through Arizona between 10-15 years ago, maybe 20 years ago, who was known as "The Hat Man". My friend Jeff Pranke said he didn't know the guy's real name, but this "Hat Man" was the best he'd ever seen. Said the guy beat everyone in AZ. Said the guy had a bit of a drug problem, went to prison for a while, then vanished. Jeff told me the man just never missed, and could play everything. Jeff has seen all the greats play, even ran a Monday night tournament at the old Golden 8-Ball when it was still open. He maintains this guy, "The Hat Man" was just unbelievable...even better than Mark Tademy when Mark was beating everyone on the road. I want to know if anyone out there knows who "The Hat Man" was or what his real name is.


Sounds like Jerry Brock. He almost always wore a low slung hat, with a bill. I don't know what they call that style hat, but Jerry had several. About 15 or so years ago he was on the lam from the law for various drug charges. He spent two or three years on the road before they caught up with him.

Then it was off to the slammer for about ten years. He's out now and playing a little again. I think he was at Derby City this year, but I didn't recognize him. Jerry was a high speed player, one of the best bar table players in the country. And nearly as strong on a big table. It would take a champion to beat him. Probably the best player in Arizona back then was Koos Keizer, and I doubt he could beat Jerry.

Jerry would have been about 40 years old back then, about 5'9" or 5'10" and trim. Clean cut with dirty blonde hair. Of course, he may have created a new look at the time, because of the heat from the Feds. I know they wanted him bad, showing up at pro tourneys asking about him.
 
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Jerry Brock was considered as one of the best one pocket player.5-6 years ago he was hanging around/ visiting Fayetteville, North carolina.
 
axle said:
i think i can answer your question it was probaly jerry brock he had a jail sentence hanging over his head no won knew his name he served his time in florida and i saw him at the derby city ,i hit balls with him on table one at the golden 8 ,when we started the first time nobody watched but after a few days the word got around he was a champion,we were drawing a crowd me racking of course,he ran a few 5 packs acted like it was nothing his cue ball was the great all ways in the right spot never had to shoot a hard shot. i did even know who he was at the time.i was security at the golden eight for years,played a little sometimes my name is tim tell your friend jeff p i said hy,he will remember me.i still keep in touch with a few freinds out in az i will return someday ,best wishes Tim


By any chance are u a tall guy who wore california type Gym wear and dated a girl whose last name sounds some what like kirkyndyes?:cool:
 
I think I remember you too....(Axle)

Are you a big guy as well? Wore a goatee, or beard?

I think I last saw you on a flight from Phx. to Nashville, several yrs back.

I'll be on that same flight tomorrow morning. Heading to Nashville for a week.


Rick S.
 
Russ Chewning said:
[...] Barry Emerson once came into City Lights in Tacoma and ran seven racks on someone on a side table for a small amount. [...]


I've got a funny Barry Emerson story. But to lead into it, here's a forward I wrote for a project I'm not spending enough time working on:

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Smack dab between the 1961 release of The Hustler and the 1986 release of The Color of Money, I was a suburban New York fifteen-year old spending nearly as much time playing pool as going to school. Though I was far from good at the game, I was sufficiently credible that I was a marginal member of a community, of a fraternal order of sorts. I understood a language foreign to my non-pool-playing friends. I interacted with people my non-pool-playing friends crossed the street to avoid. I listened to the depression-era stories of old guys with names like Bama (Alabama) and Fat Bob.

Then I boarded a life train headed far away from that community and neither got off nor looked back for two and a half decades, when--after my wife suggested we get a pool table for our basement--I walked into the poolhall in my new home town of Fargo, North Dakota. Within ten minutes I was in a small game of stake in which I promptly lost fifteen dollars. More significantly though, I’d done what people say can’t be done. I’d come home. Twenty-five years and fifteen hundred miles later, I’d reunited with an old friend. My old friend looked good—hadn’t changed much at all. That was nine years ago, and we’ve been catching up ever since.

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So here's the rest of the story. I walked into that nearly empty afternoon poolhall in late 1997 a 41-year-old C-level player who literally had not stepped into a pool hall in 25 years. I grabbed a house stick and a bar table and wondered--having no idea--how I might compare to a typical person who might be renting a table in Fargo, ND. After ten minutes, an energetic young fellow came up to me and said he was waiting for somebody and would I like to play a few games. I barely knew the rules to 9-ball (We played only straight pool when I was a kid. Even on a king-of-the-hill table, it was straight-pool to 15).

I suggested races to 4 for $5. He said how about races to 3 for $5. It must have been clear to him that this was lunch money at best, because he started running tables like a man possessed, grabbing the coin and saying "call it" before I had a chance to evaulate. I was amazed at the performance of this--as far as I knew--typical Fargo player. After three quick races to 3, I interupted his coin flip and said "I'm done."

He replied, extending his hand, "That's a funny name. I'm Barry."

After I refused his offer for a game on the wire, he told me he was waiting to play someone for $1000 (I think that was Rob Mattsen, but I'm not sure). He said, "I'm a gambler. That's what do."

I think he actually got stuck in Fargo for a few days after the police stopped him. He had traffic or drivers license issues from the state of WA that got their attention. He said he tried to explain to the police that he was just a gambler passing through. He even pulled his big bankroll out of his pocket to corroborate his story and reassure them. He's a pretty smooth talker, but somehow he had to wait for a Monday court time anyway.
 
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