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nitty bitty said:
Everyone here that has bet on a pool match or participated in a calcutta has broken the law. Cue stick raffles are illegal in some states. Ever put gas in your car with the ignition on? That one's federal. Must serve 85% of your sentence.

He is incarcerated for a non-violent crime. The law that imprisons him is immoral. If you knew him, he'd love to hear from you. I hate drugs and what they do to people. I don't endorse their use or want to be around anyone that has anything to do with them.

Doesn't mean he should be in jail and it certainly doesn't invalidate his standing as a human being stuck in a bad place.
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1. "Everyone here that has bet on a pool match or participated in a calcutta has broken the law."

Nope. Gambling laws are subject to jurisdictions down to the city level except for big time wagering such as gaming and horse/dog racing etc. but in most locations, unless the "house" is getting a cut, then such things as "player auctions are not illegal. Neither are sporting events or other competitive activites where the players put money into a "pot" like POOL TOURNAMENTS.

The DCC, US Open etc. couldn't exist if that were not the case. But such laws ARE local option so individual areas may differ.

2. "Ever put gas in your car with the ignition on? That one's federal. "

I doubt that. But would be interested to be shown a link to contrary information.

Below is MASS. law which is STATE law...so if it was Federal law A) the state wouldn't need one and B) states cannot enact laws reserved for the federal government and vice versa.

http://www.boston.com/news/local/articles/2006/12/10/sparks_can_fly_at_the_pump/

3. "He is incarcerated for a non-violent crime. The law that imprisons him is immoral."

OK...what is he in for? It's a matter of public record so there is no confidence to violate. I have met Angry several times and have nothing bad to say about him. If he got a bum rap then maybe some of us would start a legal defense fund to pay for an appeal. And those who know me, know I have done exactly that....So, what's the rap?

Regards,
Jim
 
Av, I should of said "most" everyone but if I had to guess I'd say gambling on a pool match is a misdemeanor in every state. Most calcutta's take a portion of the prize pool and isn't there is a sticker on gas pumps that tells me it is a violation of federal law to pump gas with the car turned on?

Find a state where betting on a pool match isn't against the law (good luck):
http://www.gambling-law-us.com/State-Laws/

I'm not sure if you are obtuse or trying to be clever. Neither one is an effective debate technique.
 
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Purdman said:
My main man says that we are suppose to feed the poor, clothe the naked, and visit those who are in the hospital or incarcerated at this time of year. I do not know what he did and I do not care. I will send him a card and a box of goodies for Christmas. No one should be forgotten.
I hope you all have a wonderful holiday season.
Purdman
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Once again...Don has shown himself to be the class act of AZB. I for one will follow Purdman's lead and send Angry a nice box of goodies. I think that most any one of us could be in his place due to something, somewhere, at some time...myself included. This is a great chance to make a sad Christmas a little brighter. Happy holidays to all. :)
 
nitty bitty said:
Av, I should of said "most" everyone but if I had to guess I'd say gambling on a pool match is a misdemeanor in every state. Most calcutta's take a portion of the prize pool and isn't there is a sticker on gas pumps that tells me it is a violation of federal law to pump gas with the car turned on?

Find a state where betting on a pool match isn't against the law (good luck):
http://www.gambling-law-us.com/State-Laws/

I'm not sure if you are obtuse or trying to be clever. Neither one is an effective debate technique.
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"but if I had to guess I'd say gambling on a pool match is a misdemeanor in every state."

Hey..guessing is fine. Poor students do it all the time on their exams.

But if it was illegal in Kentucky, then there wouldn't be room enough in the Louisville jails come DCC time...and the place is CRAWLING with cops!

Anyway, I accepted your challenge and just decided to start in the middle of the alphabet...becuase everyone else starts from the beginning or the end...and GUESS THAT..

Montana
23-5-222. Calcutta pools authorized.

It is hereby lawful to conduct or participate in a Calcutta pool as defined in 23-5-221.



23-5-222. Calcutta pools authorized.

It is hereby lawful to conduct or participate in a Calcutta pool as defined in 23-5-221.

And thanks for wishing me luck. I hit a 50-1 shot out of the box. NEXT.................(-:

Regarding what it says on gas pumps I have no clue but will look tomorrow and report back to you.

And I don't know whether you are being obtuse...certainly not clever...when you have the audacity to even MENTION pool tournament player auctions in the same thread that is discussing the FELONY of possession with the intent.

You CAN'T be serious....are you?
 
Varney Cues said:
Once again...Don has shown himself to be the class act of AZB. I for one will follow Purdman's lead and send Angry a nice box of goodies. I think that most any one of us could be in his place due to something, somewhere, at some time...myself included. This is a great chance to make a sad Christmas a little brighter. Happy holidays to all. :)
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OF COURSE the following comment has NOTHING to do with anyone mentioned in this thread...and I mean that genuinely...but let me just make a point.

If your daughter or wife, for example, was raped and murdered in a home invastion robbery, (God forbid!!) what exactly would you include in the box of goodies you would send the perptrator at Christmas time?

My point is that it is pretty easy to sit in our middle class and up homes where the worst crime is letting your dog off the leash and get all magnanimous about our deep concern for criminals.

When they have paid their debt to society and are released then we deal with them as their behavior warrants. (usually for about 10 days). One of my BEST friends is a convicted felon so I don't need instruction from anyone about how to deal with people who have pulled their lives together.

Drug dealers are the scum of the earth because they SELL death, destruction and misery on such a catastrophic scale in this country that it makes the World Trade Center attack look like Romper Room...and the only thing wrong with sending them to jail is that the sentences typically aren't long enough.

And what does this all have to do with the sport of pool? You know the answer to that as well as I do.

But you must have missed my question. What is he in for that you think is immoral. Maybe I'll hire a lawyer for him. Last time I did so was about a year ago and it cost me 5 grand. Maybe I'll do it again...I have no problem with Angry...that I know of.

Jim
Regards,
 
On the subject of morals and drug use, opinions from either extremes are wrong IMO. Making generalizations are just as naive as you think the argument on the opposite end of the spectrum to yours is. If a child grows up in a household where the parents are drug users, you can't blame that child for being a druggy when he/she turns into an adult. Arguably the addiction is in their genes, and at the least it's embedded in their subconcious minds. You have to blame the parents, or the friends, or the parents of those parents, or the friends of those friends. If you catch my drift, blaming is pointless unless you can ressurect dead people from different eras and prosecute them for causing bad things to happen to people in future generations.

Being quick to judge and make generalizations are just as foolish, IMO. Alot of people who are drug addicts are idiots for trying the drugs in the first place. But maybe alot of people really couldn't help themselves, and knew no better.
 
Av, nice try. The calcutta's have to be sanctioned by the government in Montana and the admin fees have to go to charity. When was the last time you were at a government sanctioned Calcutta for a pool tournament where the fees went to charity? Ha.

Did you find a state where betting on a sporting event (pool match is legal)?

Arguing about this is inane. Mostly because you are wrong and more importantly because it detracts from the fact that most of what the posters here enjoy is illegal or has it's roots in illegal activity.

Angry was no saint, and by legal definitions neither is anyone here.

And if you want to wager whether or not gambling on a pool match is legal in KY, then we can post some dough and call the District Attorney in Louisville or the state AG in KY.

You aren't gonna win this argument. You can pretend all you want that betting on pool is legal but it will never make it true.

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Drug dealers are the scum of the earth because they SELL death, destruction and misery on such a catastrophic scale in this country that it makes the World Trade Center attack look like Romper Room...and the only thing wrong with sending them to jail is that the sentences typically aren't long enough.
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People say the same thing about pool. Do you have any idea how many city and county ordinances there are in this country restricting pool tables in a public place? Have you ever heard those whack-a-doos from Focus on the Family blither on about the evils of gambling? Pool tables in public places is heavily regulated because people believe the same lies about 9-Ball they do about drugs. Neither can be substantiated in fact, but brain washed people regurgitate these statements as if they were gospel. I'm sorry you fell for the great lie. I hate drugs too but I don't believe they will ever be the downfall of civilization.
 
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My opinion on heavy drugs is that they do ruin peoples lives,i think alcohol is number one over all others along with tobacco,they are legal but alcohol wasnt at one time for a reason.As for marijuana being illegal, this is funny,most people are coming around and realizing its more useful then harmful.People say that pot isnt legal because of tax reasons,thats not the real deal,the real deal is alot of people would be smoking pot instead of taking meds,the pharmy companies cant have that.The pharmaceutical companies are big contributors to politicians,they are against marijuana also because they will lose money.They have a pill for everything these days,its laughable yet not,since these drugs are very harmful just like the heavy illegal drugs.So many people take anti depressants and walk around in a stoned like state,fake smiles,sleeping pills and pain meds.If they smoked pot they would have some relief and many would if it wasnt illegal and alot are even if it is,these pills do alot of damage to your liver and are more harmful and addictive then marijuana.I can assure you this that marijuana will be legal within many of our lifetimes and they will package it and tax it,if the government were smart they would do it themselves and get the country out of debt. ;)
 
From what I've read at least half the people that attend the DCC are guilty of this horrible crime (from the KY laws)

(1) "Advancing gambling activity" -- A person "advances gambling activity" when, acting other than as a player, he engages in conduct that materially aids any form of gambling activity. The conduct shall include, but is not limited to, conduct directed toward the establishment of the particular game, contest, scheme, device, or activity involved; toward the acquisition or maintenance of premises, paraphernalia, equipment, or apparatus therefor; toward the solicitation or inducement of persons to participate therein; toward the actual conduct of the playing phases thereof; toward the arrangement of any of its financial or recording phases or toward any other phase of its operation.
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Anyone that has ever matched someone up, held the money or otherwise participated in a pool match at the DCC has also violated an immoral law. There are plenty of useless, stupid, immoral laws that serve to support massive government job programs and the prison services industry. Per capita, no one locks up more people than good ole' Uncle Sam.

I hate drugs and wish Angry had never been involved but let's not pretend the drug laws do anything but enrich drug cartels and provide jobs for the people that prosecute those involved in the drug trade. He made some stupid choices.

I'm still going to write him as often as I can and hope others that knew him will do the same.
 
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nitty bitty said:
Av, nice try. The calcutta's have to be sanctioned by the government in Montana and the admin fees have to go to charity. When was the last time you were at a government sanctioned Calcutta for a pool tournament where the fees went to charity? Ha.

Did you find a state where betting on a sporting event (pool match is legal)?

Arguing about this is inane. Mostly because you are wrong and more importantly because it detracts from the fact that most of what the posters here enjoy is illegal or has it's roots in illegal activity.

Angry was no saint, and by legal definitions neither is anyone here.

And if you want to wager whether or not gambling on a pool match is legal in KY, then we can post some dough and call the District Attorney in Louisville or the state AG in KY.

You aren't gonna win this argument. You can pretend all you want that betting on pool is legal but it will never make it true.

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People say the same thing about pool. Do you have any idea how many city and county ordinances there are in this country restricting pool tables in a public place? It is heavily regulated because people believe the same lies about 9-Ball they do about drugs. Neither can be substantiated in fact, but brain washed people regurgitate these statements as if they were gospel. I'm sorry you fell for the great lie. I hate drugs too but I don't believe they will ever be the downfall of civilization.
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"Arguing about this is inane."

Then why are you doing so? Besides, suggesting that debating the relative merits of drug dealing is inane...is inane.

Read the LAW

23-5-221. Definition.

As used in this part, "Calcutta pool" means a form of auction pool conducted by an organization authorized by the department. The Calcutta pool must be an auction pool in which:
(1) a person's wager is equal to his bid;
(2) the proceeds from the pool, minus administrative costs and prizes paid, are contributed to a charitable or nonprofit corporation, association, or cause;(3) the rules of the pool are publicly posted;
(4) no more than one wager for each competitor is allowed;
(5) at least 50% of the total pool is paid out in prizes;
(6) persons may not bid or wager money on any elementary school or high school sports event; and
(7) the underlying event has more than two entrants.

The event does NOT have to be conducted by a registered charity in Montana...as is true in some other states...JUST THE PROCEEDS LESS PRIZES AND ADMINISTRATIVE COSTS must be donated to charity.

Any player auction pool room can EASILY show offsetting admin costs so there ARE NO PROCEEDS. Rent...employee salaries...on and on.

"it detracts from the fact that most of what the posters here enjoy is illegal or has it's roots in illegal activity."

WOW...you hang with some BAD DUDES. LOL


But...hey...I don't want to be accused of being inane so...the next one of us (your or me) who posts regarding this argument is ADMITTING that he is inane.

Bubbye!
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DeadPoked said:
The military has a law under the UCMJ that states you cannot engage in oral or anal sex. If a man were having oral sex with his wife, does he deserve to be kicked out of the military for breaking the "law"?

The only reason you are singing your tune is because the laws that you break have minor penalties. You have no problem paying those minor consequences. You speed everyday but the penalty you get is very small compared to someone who enjoys smoking pot... who could go to prison for it. Even though speeding causes many deaths and pot causes zero. If there were prison time for going over the speed limit you wouldn't be saying you deserved the consequences.
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lol, thank you for proving my point exactly. If speeding carried a penalty like going to prison, then you can rest assured that I would not speed. It is deemed a minor offense and until they change the laws then I will most likely go over the speed limit because I don't care about the fine. The people that deal and smoke pot also know the penalties involved and choose to take the risk. People that kill other people surely know that if they are caught then are going to get the death penalty or spend the rest of their lives in jail. The only thing that I am saying is that unless you are a complete dumbass, you should know when you are breaking a law. By knowingly doing so you should be prepared to face the consequences whether that be a fine or prison or the death penalty.
 
DeadPoked said:
So basically you are saying people shouldn't profit off others vulnerabilities? Okay, I agree. That isn't what I was arguing. Although, I do not agree with you saying that people with the proper guidance would never get high.

There are many successful people that get high everyday, Joe Rogan being one of them. He is well known for his use of marijuana and he is very successful and intelligent. He does all of his writing while stoned and is a great writer. Sure there are people that get stoned and sit around and do nothing with their lives... but guess what? They wouldn't be doing shit anyways with their lives if they were perfectly sober.

My main argument is like I said before... What the govt. says is right or wrong doesn't necessarily mean it is good or bad. And there are laws that if people do break them... I don't feel deserve the consequences.
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I am not debating whether laws or right or wrong. My entire premise in this thread was that Angry, while jovial and fun to gamble with, committed a crime that he knew he was committing and therefore must face the consequences. Go and tell your local politician that pot should be legalized.
 
Russ Chewning said:
I don't really see the point in denigrating one grammatical error that he made. ...not trying to target you, Black-Balled.. I'm just trying to bring out the new kinder, gentler Russ...not to allow the debate to decay into name-calling.

:D

Russ
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I am right with you. I am turning over a new leaf and am going to stop being a dick- trying anyway...
 
That's What I'm Known For.... My THINKING

As usual, after reading this entire thread, I am touched by the thoughtfulness and generosity of the AZB members.

When I'm incarcerated, I hope that you will all step up and send me monthly 'care packages' with cigarettes (for gambling and buying sex), some playing cards, money, Playboy magazine, candy, encouraging uplifting letters and some warm socks.

Once a week, you might send me some Hooters wings and a few boxes of Little Debbies...... and a TV........ and a laptop (so I can read AZB).

Doug
( I'm going out to punch a cop in the face NOW )

*Maybe I should attack an FBI agent and steal some mail because, Federal Prisons are MUCH nicer and I might meet some celebrities and gather some autographs for Freddy...... imo

MERRY CHRISTMAS TO ALL AND TO ALL A GOOD NIGHT (or is that Knight)
 
Smorgass Bored said:
As usual, after reading this entire thread, I am touched by the thoughtfulness and generosity of the AZB members.

When I'm incarcerated, I hope that you will all step up and send me monthly 'care packages' with cigarettes (for gambling and buying sex), some playing cards, money, Playboy magazine, candy, encouraging uplifting letters and some warm socks.

Once a week, you might send me some Hooters wings and a few boxes of Little Debbies...... and a TV........ and a laptop (so I can read AZB).

Doug
( I'm going out to punch a cop in the face NOW )

*Maybe I should attack an FBI agent and steal some mail because, Federal Prisons are MUCH nicer and I might meet some celebrities and gather some autographs for Freddy...... imo

MERRY CHRISTMAS TO ALL AND TO ALL A GOOD NIGHT (or is that Knight)
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Smorg,
If you do decide to punch a cop in the face then you will definitely go to jail. You may not think that punching a cop in the face should be illegal, but currently it is. So, knowingly committing a crime by punching a cop in the face, I have no sympathy for you and will not send you Hooters Wings.

(Obviously I'm being facetious here, but it might make my point more clear to those that continue to advocate the doing or selling of drugs as ok)
 
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Not to sound stupid here, but does anyone actually know what he did? how much time did he get? or any actual details, other than it was "drug related" this thread has give no info or answered any questions. It has be come a "drugs are bad debate"
 
Hey, I'm Talkin Here, I'm Talkin Here...... imo

or1pkt said:
Not to sound stupid here, but does anyone actually know what he did? how much time did he get? or any actual details, other than it was "drug related" this thread has given no info or answered any questions.

It has be come a "drugs are bad debate"
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Not if you have six of the participants on your IGNORE LIST.
Doug
( seven, if you count ME ) :)
 
uwate said:
I was in Atlanta about 13 month ago and went to this room where Joyner was playing Harold McAbee and giving up tremendous weight. Angry is staking Joyner and is pacing back and forth near the table, then he sits down and starts talking/heckling Cliff. "cliff if you win this game, im taking you to dinner. We can go to BLACK Lobster don't you think? Maybe you'd prefer to go to OUTBLACK instead, eh?" I was sitting there saying wtf...who is this guy? and why is he making these types of remarks to Joyner?

Harold needs two, Joyner needs one and Joyner lays down this great shot which he just misses, leaving two balls right in front of his pocket, one of them in the jaws and Smackmac is all the way up table. HM makes a tremendous bank shot on the ball furthest away from the hole and then follows that shot up with a slow spin shot, where he loads it up and spins at the ball, making an adjustment for the cue ball curving because he hits it slow. The object ball looks to be unbankable but somehow it does bank and it slowly rolls across table and goes in for the win.

Angry's mouth has fallen open and he is sitting there stunned. Joyner turns back at Angry, and says, "How do you like them apples, Sportsfans?"

The next game angry continues his verbal chatter and semi-abuse of cliff, asking him how he could be losing this game etc etc.

Watching Angry was about as entertaining as watching great pool.
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Reminds me of a 'joke'- Find the sexiest finest fox around and ask her if she like apples. Most will say yes and you come back with:

"I'd like to bang you in your AS#! _How you like them apples?
 
I have read a lot of the posts on here and some seem to think Marijuana is a safe drug. I seriously doubt that the statistic of Zero deaths related to it is factual. Surely someone smoked too much pot and hit another car head on. Or ate too much in their brownies and died from it. As one who hung out in the drug scene for most of my teenage years, I can attest that pot makes people act stupid. And I recently read that smoking pot regularly will lower your IQ and average of four points permanently. Someone with an IQ in the 130's might not miss those four points much. But those with border line IQs under 100 cannot afford to lose those four points. Believe me I have met people who lost the four points who could not afford to.
As far as Angry goes I never knew how he got his money other than running a gambling book. But he was very entertaining. I don't know if watching him mouth or try to attempt to play pool was the most entertaining. Both were a sight to see.
 
nitty bitty said:
Everyone here that has bet on a pool match or participated in a calcutta has broken the law.
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I tried to find the thread that this was discussed in. Although it started out about a different situation, the gambling aspect of it came up in the conversation and all this was discussed to a great extent. I think the thread was deleted.

Anyway, in the context of the posts, it was determined that pool, being a game of skill, was allowable in all states as far as gambling goes. Meaning that two people betting on a game was allowed. What was not allowed was someone side betting on that game.

Calcutta's were different. Some states allow that, some don't. FWIW
 
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