APA is not a Ripoff

not a ripoff

I'd be happy to play in other leagues, but first I have to be good enough. I'd have no fun if I was playing solid players without a handicap, even a flawed one.

I'm an APA lvl4. No sandbagging, no BS. I know that I play "lvl 4's" who are borderline 6's due to their sandbagging, but I see it as a way to force me to 'man up' and learn to play like a champ. Sometimes I even bury those f**kers, like last week when the other team was questioning whether I should be a 4 because I beat their guy in a hard fought battle. My (announced) safeties beat his 'bagging :grin:.

To me, the money is just part of playing pool. I pay $13 a week for a few hours of playtime, to get away from the wife & kids for a bit, for pointers on my skills and abilities, have some fun, and compete in a friendly game. If I get any cash back, I've won more than I expected.:thumbup:
 
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It is true about having to split & having to form 2 new teams, to make 23.So we did, & there were some growing pangs. We still made the playoffs & made some new friends, & still get to see our "other half" on
Tues night. As a coach, as well as a builder, I find that another welcomed challenge. It truly is different strokes for different folks.
Enjoy Pool!! Paul
 
I ran an in-house independant league for ~8 years that was highly successful.

The league was based on having 4-person teams... and we balanced the total skill level of each team by assigning an "A" player, a "B" player, a "C" player and a "D" player to each team... the players were selected by random draw so there could be no "fixed" teams.

We did allow some "teaming", such as husband/wife and/or bf/gf relationships, provided such teaming was acceptable to the majority of the league membership... we voted on each proposed teaming relationship. The most notable aspect to our league... There was no sandbagging.

And on the money side of it, we paid every team money at the end of each session. The payout was pretty flat. We also paid the Top 10 Shooters and we also paid The Most Improved Individual, 2nd Session and The Most Improved Individual, Overall.


And of all the money collected during a session, we paid out to teams and individuals more than 92% of the monies collected during the session. In other words, only 8% of what was collected went into my pocket and that of the Treasurer who had duties to collect the money and bank it.
 
Every league has its ups and downs. I have been told by a few that I would like the VNEA and that its a great league. Just not sure why if its better that it has not gotten more widespread.

I played BCA and it was ok. Just not much fun playing one game and then sitting. Also not fun playing people that are not very good even up. No handicap sucks for 80% of the players if not more. BCA is more of a
sanctioning body rather than a league though. I really dont think it should even be compared to the other national same format everywhere leagues.

The APA has its flaws but its a great representation of america. Many small businesses are ran great and many are not. APA leagues are franchised small businesses and will have the same characteristics.

Biggest troubles in APA for me is people that dont have a clue about pool judging skill levels and people thinking that they aer sandbagging when in reality that are not. Most teams that bag dont do that well. I have played in 3 different APA areas and most teams that bag are made up of players scared to put it on the line every week so they "bag". When it counts its amazing that they other guy just got lucky and beat them..stupid APA rules etc..
 
TWOFORPOOL said:
I just went and saw Star Trek and really enjoyed it until I left and THEY REFUSED TO GIVE ME ANY MONEY BACK! These cheap pyamid theaters are robbing us!!!! Yes the majority of the money goes back to the originators/investors of the movie and those damn theaters keep the rest AND I DON'T GET BACK A DIME!!! What a ripoff.

Why is it in pool that the better you are the more you expect something back from a league or pool room? If you want to make money in pool go gamble or play in tournaments. People who complain about paying 6.00 - 10.00 to play in a league ARE NITS!! You should keep your money and quit whinning about it. You will feel better.

I play in the APA because its fun and entertaining and I have a good time with my wife and friends. I don't do it for money - I have a job for that.
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If you continue to make posts that utilize common sense and make valid points, I will start reporting you and do my best to have you banned :D
 
If you started a league that magically made someone a better player the longer they played. But, offered no payback and no national trip.

Would anyone play ?
 
Now that I've raised the bar at a "3" level, I am gonna take off regionals this year.




APA is a business. It is profitable. It does bring people together fairly cheaply to play competitively. It is a "for profit" business. It does promote ranking, sandbagging, and other traits normally saved for the degenerate gambler.
 
It does promote ranking, sandbagging, and other traits normally saved for the degenerate gambler.[/QUOTE]

there's the rub. the same people who hate that stuff in the apa are the same people trying to sqeeze a spot they don't deserve out of someone for money. they are the same people i play in handicapped tournaments who claim i should be ranked much higher than i am and then run three racks and out on me. it goes on everywhere get over it. the apa at least gives exposure to the game. yes, one out of twenty will take the game seriously, and the other 19 will look like a monkey f*cking a football, but one of twenty is better than none out of a million. and for the people who play in these s*itty areas, i feel for ya. sucks to be you. here in atlanta i've pocketed 500 bucks in less than the last year playing in apa tournaments and i haven't sniffed a trip to vegas. that was just the money won in three singles tournaments. and it covered a nice portion of my weekly fees. first place team in each division gets a 100 dollar bonus and we run division cups and qualifier cups three times a year and if you win your barcket in the qualifer you take about a grand as a team (800 for second, 400 for 3rd/4th and the numbers are a little lower for nine ball because you have less teams) and the right to play in the cities. the cities are held once a year and send about four or five 8 ball and four or five 9 ball teams. we also send a few jack and jill and scotch doubles teams in both 8 and 9 as well as a few regional singles in each sl bracket. so no our LO isn't hording millions away on our 9 dollar a person a match and $25 a person yearly dues. he makes a living. good god - if you hate it don't play it. but don't sit around and b*tch and moan that the game is dying and please don't whine about the apa. just don't play and let those of us who enjoy it play in it. and just for the record the bca is filled with just as many little b*tches as the apa. just ask the nit assed motherf*cker i had to deal with last night who couldn't run out of a burning building but couldn't wait to tell me what i was doing wrong. f*cking nits are everywhere. i'm gonna use that s*it as a sig line.
 
jrt30004 said:
It does promote ranking, sandbagging, and other traits normally saved for the degenerate gambler.
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there's the rub. the same people who hate that stuff in the apa are the same people trying to sqeeze a spot they don't deserve out of someone for money. they are the same people i play in handicapped tournaments who claim i should be ranked much higher than i am and then run three racks and out on me. it goes on everywhere get over it. the apa at least gives exposure to the game. yes, one out of twenty will take the game seriously, and the other 19 will look like a monkey f*cking a football, but one of twenty is better than none out of a million. and for the people who play in these s*itty areas, i feel for ya. sucks to be you. here in atlanta i've pocketed 500 bucks in less than the last year playing in apa tournaments and i haven't sniffed a trip to vegas. that was just the money won in three singles tournaments. and it covered a nice portion of my weekly fees. first place team in each division gets a 100 dollar bonus and we run division cups and qualifier cups three times a year and if you win your barcket in the qualifer you take about a grand as a team (800 for second, 400 for 3rd/4th and the numbers are a little lower for nine ball because you have less teams) and the right to play in the cities. the cities are held once a year and send about four or five 8 ball and four or five 9 ball teams. we also send a few jack and jill and scotch doubles teams in both 8 and 9 as well as a few regional singles in each sl bracket. so no our LO isn't hording millions away on our 9 dollar a person a match and $25 a person yearly dues. he makes a living. good god - if you hate it don't play it. but don't sit around and b*tch and moan that the game is dying and please don't whine about the apa. just don't play and let those of us who enjoy it play in it. and just for the record the bca is filled with just as many little b*tches as the apa. just ask the nit assed motherf*cker i had to deal with last night who couldn't run out of a burning building but couldn't wait to tell me what i was doing wrong. f*cking nits are everywhere. i'm gonna use that s*it as a sig line.[/QUOTE]

My point is in my quote, that, people bi#$h about the gamblers and people trying to match up in their own favor. They play APA for fun. APA is structured to keep great players out. I played undefeated as a seven ONE year. That is as high as APA goes here. People even complained I shouldn't be allowed to play. Pool is pool. Noone's gonnna change. Everyone wants to win at whatever rank. Some for the cheese, some for a trophy, some for recognition. APA is a business that promotes people spending money in my home poolroom. Good. Spend away.
 
frankncali said:
Every league has its ups and downs. I have been told by a few that I would like the VNEA and that its a great league. Just not sure why if its better that it has not gotten more widespread.
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VNEA (Valley National 8-Ball Association) can only be played on Valley tables that are owned by a Valley vendor, and the franchise in any local area is only available to a Valley vendor who serves that area.
 
Love my APA leauge!

Thanks to the Greater Washington DC area APA, League Operator Lee Tiani and Hard Times Cafe of Germantown!!!!

I can't think of too many things I can do for 4hours of what I consider entertainment for a whopping $9 dollars!!!! There are numerous league nights when I don't even play a match and I'm shooting for free for the entire night. In addition, the room I play at offers free pool for any APA player except for weekend nights.

Payouts and Vegas are simply icing on the cake for me.
 
TWOFORPOOL said:
I just went and saw Star Trek and really enjoyed it until I left and THEY REFUSED TO GIVE ME ANY MONEY BACK! These cheap pyamid theaters are robbing us!!!! Yes the majority of the money goes back to the originators/investors of the movie and those damn theaters keep the rest AND I DON'T GET BACK A DIME!!! What a ripoff.

Why is it in pool that the better you are the more you expect something back from a league or pool room? If you want to make money in pool go gamble or play in tournaments. People who complain about paying 6.00 - 10.00 to play in a league ARE NITS!! You should keep your money and quit whinning about it. You will feel better.

I play in the APA because its fun and entertaining and I have a good time with my wife and friends. I don't do it for money - I have a job for that.
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true, but if you play in a cash league you would expect to get cash back.


Ben
 
crawfish said:
there's the rub. the same people who hate that stuff in the apa are the same people trying to sqeeze a spot they don't deserve out of someone for money. they are the same people i play in handicapped tournaments who claim i should be ranked much higher than i am and then run three racks and out on me. it goes on everywhere get over it. the apa at least gives exposure to the game. yes, one out of twenty will take the game seriously, and the other 19 will look like a monkey f*cking a football, but one of twenty is better than none out of a million. and for the people who play in these s*itty areas, i feel for ya. sucks to be you. here in atlanta i've pocketed 500 bucks in less than the last year playing in apa tournaments and i haven't sniffed a trip to vegas. that was just the money won in three singles tournaments. and it covered a nice portion of my weekly fees. first place team in each division gets a 100 dollar bonus and we run division cups and qualifier cups three times a year and if you win your barcket in the qualifer you take about a grand as a team (800 for second, 400 for 3rd/4th and the numbers are a little lower for nine ball because you have less teams) and the right to play in the cities. the cities are held once a year and send about four or five 8 ball and four or five 9 ball teams. we also send a few jack and jill and scotch doubles teams in both 8 and 9 as well as a few regional singles in each sl bracket. so no our LO isn't hording millions away on our 9 dollar a person a match and $25 a person yearly dues. he makes a living. good god - if you hate it don't play it. but don't sit around and b*tch and moan that the game is dying and please don't whine about the apa. just don't play and let those of us who enjoy it play in it. and just for the record the bca is filled with just as many little b*tches as the apa. just ask the nit assed motherf*cker i had to deal with last night who couldn't run out of a burning building but couldn't wait to tell me what i was doing wrong. f*cking nits are everywhere. i'm gonna use that s*it as a sig line.
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My point is in my quote, that, people bi#$h about the gamblers and people trying to match up in their own favor. They play APA for fun. APA is structured to keep great players out. I played undefeated as a seven ONE year. That is as high as APA goes here. People even complained I shouldn't be allowed to play. Pool is pool. Noone's gonnna change. Everyone wants to win at whatever rank. Some for the cheese, some for a trophy, some for recognition. APA is a business that promotes people spending money in my home poolroom. Good. Spend away.[/QUOTE]

that's why i put that in bold when i quoted you. i agree whole heartedly.
 
ronhudson said:
VNEA (Valley National 8-Ball Association) can only be played on Valley tables that are owned by a Valley vendor, and the franchise in any local area is only available to a Valley vendor who serves that area.
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I'd heard this too. I don't want to get anyone in trouble but our VNEA league doesn't go by these rules. We play on non-valley brand barboxes and many full-sized tables throughout the year.

I like the handicapping system better than the APA's and I like travelling to various places to play, even though half of them are bars with really nasty 7 footers that have been set on fire and pissed on.
 
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