APA Warning!!!!!

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kid dynomite i am sorry that you ended up on a team whose captain did not know the rules or pay attention to his/hers team situation. the fact still remains that the veteran posters here know about APA and can make their decisions.new folks have to depend on their captains and obvisously you got a weak captain.

as a captain i saw and recognised the faults and worked around them and was able to not only win but lead from start to finish this past session. it took a lot of work and study on my part but it was worth it in the end.

good luck in your future endeavors and i hope you find what makes you happy in life and billiards.

mike
 
ugotactionTX said:
How long were these notes placed in the envelop without any response? I agree the captain, or whoever was managing the envelope, should have been proactive with the team in getting the issue resolved. But as a BCA league operator, I would have tried to make a phone call or speak in person with the captain as soon as these "notes" were left but not dealt with. Perhaps a conversation was in order before the points were taken. If there's no funny business going on, wouldn't you want the team that won on the table to advance to Vegas. Not because of some B.S. technicality dealing with the money.
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More than enough time was allowed, points were reinstated after the issue was resolved, minus the bonus points that are awarded when all responsibilities by the team are met each week, IE: monies colleted, score sheets filled out correctly and turned in, any admin. duties are handled. And, so forth. Dyanomite has a reason to be upset I agree, but the issues don't lay with the office. As I stated, I had some issues with my team and I'm the Division Rep, however I dealt with them head on before it became an issue, no one called me I read the envelope and called in for clarification.

Black Cat :cool:
 
I have not heard many or any actually good things about the APA around here, so I have stayed away. They just started a Masters division here, so I got interested, but I was told I had to suffer through 10 regular APA matches before I could join, lol. The only reason Id be interested in the Masters is because its a heads-up league, no handicaps. So why on God's green earth should I have to suffer through 10 weeks of drunks, sandbaggers, and drama queens to play in a division where everyone is actually TRYING to win? LOL. I guess Ill just keep playing casually with the other regulars at the pool room.



Joe
 
btoneill said:
While you're at it why don't you ask for every person in the business of billiards to give you something back.

You exact attitude is what is wrong with billiards in the US. It's all about "hey, what's in it for me? give me something!".

Hell, when is MLB going to give something back to me? I bought tickets and hats! I also bought tickets to a football game and some shirts, so when is the NFL going to give something back? Damn those NFL and MLB team owners getting rich off us fans. I'm going to boycott them. Damn them for taking my money that I gave them willingly and enjoyed my time doing what I paid them to let me do. I want them to give me back more.

Brian
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Reading is fundamental & comprehending is to, but i guess you missed that class.When a lo keeps taking & taking that means less & less is going back to the players(not the fans genius) without the players there are NO leagues or leauge owners(i feel like im talking to 1 of the grand kids), please go back & reread the post s-l-o-w
 
Kid Dynomite said:
APA SUCKS MORE AFTER YOUR POST!

Please note: this poster has ZERO post history and comes on here with this B.S.

At least be a member and have posted before! You come on here and do not know what your talking about and want to push some APA propaganda campaign and I aint buying it!!!!!!!!

Kid Dynomite
Mr. Wilson for anyone that wants to know!!!!!
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Hopefully your other 300+ posts contained accurate information. My thoughts must be less accurate than yours since you post so frequently. Obviously my initial post got your creative juices flowing. If you had known who your LO was I would probably have remained silent.

Thanks for going back and updating your previous posts to set the record straight. I realize their are some good masters teams out of Lee's area so accept the apology for having some fun and goofing on your team's skills. You took that one a little too personal.
 
Most complaints about the APA can be drawn down to the LO. The LO manages your area and is responsible for what happens and doesn't happen. For those who complain on here and not to their LO well I have nothing to say to ya because your LO isn't a mind reader.

Oh yea about the complaints about APA I would like to remind a lot of people that it actually keeps quite a few pool halls in business. It gets people in bars buying beers and full bars attract people......not empty bars.

*edit* APA does more for pool than I and millions of other ppl so quit your *****ing
 
Kid Dynomite said:
2. Getting smoked is not going to happen. Ask around about me if you like but I am sure you will find at 7 level play I won 7 to 0, 7 to 1, 7 to 3, 7 to 4, and 7 to 6!!! against the best they have.

Also Jackie Robinson the only Winner out of Lee's division in the MEN'S Division EVER can vouch for his former TEAM MATE MIKE WILSON!!!!!!!
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You don't sound very smart and I think your ego goes off the charts. Have you ever played Shorty or even Dennis Brison? How about Joey Ryan? Now if you have beaten them consistently, then I might believe half of what you are saying about how good you are.
 
8&snap said:
Reading is fundamental & comprehending is to, but i guess you missed that class.When a lo keeps taking & taking that means less & less is going back to the players(not the fans genius) without the players there are NO leagues or leauge owners(i feel like im talking to 1 of the grand kids), please go back & reread the post s-l-o-w
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My point is the LO is not taking, you pay your dues and are provided a service. You pay your money and you get what you pay for, which is participation in a handicapped league and time on tables with the chance to get to playoffs, cities, or vegas. You should not go into APA expecting to get anything other than a fun time playing pool with friends in a competitive atmosphere. You pay your dues and what APA gives you back is a chance to compete, that's it. That's all it is about and I'm happy with that.

People who ***** that APA takes too much of a players money and gives nothing to the player are missing the point of the league. It's not a 100% payout tournament. It's not a league to play in to try to win money. It's a social league. I used to play in local recreational soccer leagues. You paid money, like $40 or so a season. You got a t-shirt. That's it. No money paid back to winners. If you won your division you got a trophy. It wasn't about trying to win money. It was about having fun with friends. The money you pay is to have someone else organize and keep track of everything.

So my point is that if you compare APA to what it is (and what it's always claimed it is) to other activities you pay money it's the same damn thing.

The issue a lot of pool players have with the APA goes back to the "what's in it for me" argument, and if that doesn't include money it's someone ripping them off. What's in it for you in APA is having fun with friends playing a game we love. If that isn't your goal, the APA isn't for you. But don't blast it because it doesn't match your goals and that they are stealing your money.

Brian
 
1on1pooltournys said:
Wow, so now we have no life if we do not like the APA?
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No I stated that the people who are trying to use this unfortunate incident as a reason to bash the APA to get a life.

As for Dynomite I say leave him alone as well, he's angry about something that happened to him, and he has a right to be. His anger however is mis-directed. And, honestly shouldn't have ever been put into a public forum, I hope that he realizes that as well.

Black Cat :cool:
 
btoneill said:
My point is the LO is not taking, you pay your dues and are provided a service. You pay your money and you get what you pay for, which is participation in a handicapped league and time on tables with the chance to get to playoffs, cities, or vegas. You should not go into APA expecting to get anything other than a fun time playing pool with friends in a competitive atmosphere. You pay your dues and what APA gives you back is a chance to compete, that's it. That's all it is about and I'm happy with that.

People who ***** that APA takes too much of a players money and gives nothing to the player are missing the point of the league. It's not a 100% payout tournament. It's not a league to play in to try to win money. It's a social league. I used to play in local recreational soccer leagues. You paid money, like $40 or so a season. You got a t-shirt. That's it. No money paid back to winners. If you won your division you got a trophy. It wasn't about trying to win money. It was about having fun with friends. The money you pay is to have someone else organize and keep track of everything.

So my point is that if you compare APA to what it is (and what it's always claimed it is) to other activities you pay money it's the same damn thing.

The issue a lot of pool players have with the APA goes back to the "what's in it for me" argument, and if that doesn't include money it's someone ripping them off. What's in it for you in APA is having fun with friends playing a game we love. If that isn't your goal, the APA isn't for you. But don't blast it because it doesn't match your goals and that they are stealing your money.

Brian
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Tap tap tap!!!!!!
Well said!

Steve
 
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btoneill said:
My point is the LO is not taking, you pay your dues and are provided a service. You pay your money and you get what you pay for, which is participation in a handicapped league and time on tables with the chance to get to playoffs, cities, or vegas. You should not go into APA expecting to get anything other than a fun time playing pool with friends in a competitive atmosphere. You pay your dues and what APA gives you back is a chance to compete, that's it. That's all it is about and I'm happy with that.

People who ***** that APA takes too much of a players money and gives nothing to the player are missing the point of the league. It's not a 100% payout tournament. It's not a league to play in to try to win money. It's a social league. I used to play in local recreational soccer leagues. You paid money, like $40 or so a season. You got a t-shirt. That's it. No money paid back to winners. If you won your division you got a trophy. It wasn't about trying to win money. It was about having fun with friends. The money you pay is to have someone else organize and keep track of everything.

So my point is that if you compare APA to what it is (and what it's always claimed it is) to other activities you pay money it's the same damn thing.

The issue a lot of pool players have with the APA goes back to the "what's in it for me" argument, and if that doesn't include money it's someone ripping them off. What's in it for you in APA is having fun with friends playing a game we love. If that isn't your goal, the APA isn't for you. But don't blast it because it doesn't match your goals and that they are stealing your money.

Brian
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Brian, i understand what your saying here & heres just 1 point(there are many) about the LO's(and the LO's are acting agents of the apa) I ran a room when all this apa started(it now has new owners & location)the room held all play-offs,regional,etc. imagine if you will a 3 day liquor lic. & $6000 in sales over said weekend,a LO come to you & ask for a % & you balk at the idea & your told they will be seeking out another room to hold these events. Would this leave a bad taste in your mouth.Now you know where i'm coming from & like i said before, this is 1 example,the idea of the apa is a good thing for joe 6 pack & soccer moms everywhere that need a place to gather & have fun, but the politics & back room deals suck plain & simple
 
8&snap said:
Brian, i understand what your saying here & heres just 1 point(there are many) about the LO's(and the LO's are acting agents of the apa) I ran a room when all this apa started(it now has new owners & location)the room held all play-offs,regional,etc. imagine if you will a 3 day liquor lic. & $6000 in sales over said weekend,a LO come to you & ask for a % & you balk at the idea & your told they will be seeking out another room to hold these events. Would this leave a bad taste in your mouth.Now you know where i'm coming from & like i said before, this is 1 example,the idea of the apa is a good thing for joe 6 pack & soccer moms everywhere that need a place to gather & have fun, but the politics & back room deals suck plain & simple
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That sounds to me like a dirty LO... In the Charlotte Metro APA the tournaments that are played in-house are rotated between the locations that are large enough to handle them.

I guess I'm pretty spoiled with my APA experience because KT who runs the Charlotte Metro APA is considered one of the best LO's in the nation. She runs a great and fair league and the bar owners like her. The cities here are held 3 times a year and they rent out space at a convention center and bring in around 90+ Diamond SmartTables for the tournaments.

Brian
 
Black Cat 5791 said:
I will say this again, you did absolutely nothing wrong, you joined the team, you showed up every week as a player should, you played your heart out, and you won most if not all of your matches. Your team is probally the most talented, and most powerful team in the building, hands down. But that was not where the problem lies, the issue was not something that you had any control over, nor did I,


You being new to your team it wasn't your fault, it is un-fair to you, but it wasn't the leagues fault either.

The reason that we didn't have playoffs is because we only had a 5 team division. So as a result the first and second place team get to go.
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Black Cat Thank You for Validating my Original Post! None of your responses disputes anything ascerted in my original post! You have made it clear that the problem lies above you and that you are restrained from fixing it!

I most also expose additional problems with your claims that this was "not the leagues fault"

1. last years team captain was Bill!
2. This years team captain is Rod!
3. This years captain received ZERO training!
4. This years captain received ZERO handbooks!
5. This years captain received ZERO manuals!

essentially, the point is the APA gave ZERO NOTICE about the rules!

As far as we know they are making them up as they go! To suite whomever and whatever they want!!!!!!!!!

Kid Dynomite
 
whitewolf said:
You don't sound very smart and I think your ego goes off the charts. Have you ever played Shorty or even Dennis Brison? How about Joey Ryan? Now if you have beaten them consistently, then I might believe half of what you are saying about how good you are.
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To answer your questions Above!

Shorty Henson and I played all the time when I was 15 years old and I got him inspired to start teaching his SON!!! Many close matches but have not seen him in along time a friend I might add!!!!

Joey Ryan would come to Orange Ball and we played many times there also close matches. But, haven't seen in along time. Plus about a year ago his game took a jump when he learned how to rack!

The other guy I do not know but if he comes to Orange Ball to Play Mannny Chau, Ryan McCreesh, Scott Tolfoson, Brandon Shuff, Danny Green & Etc! Then we probably meet before!!!!


Please look at The Chipsta's Post Qouted Below:

"Thanks for going back and updating your previous posts to set the record straight. I realize their are some good masters teams out of Lee's area so accept the apology for having some fun and goofing on your team's skills. You took that one a little too personal."

I mean no disrespect to Balt. or Fredrick teams! Chipsta admits "having some fun and goofing on your team's skills" when he basically insulted us by saying we would "Get Smoked". So, please relax!!!!
 
There is over 75 replies on this thread, lots of griping, and suggestions to leave the league. Other than Black Cat, no one has responded to Kid Dynomite on his original problem.

Can he pursue this further up the APA chain of command. If it not worth it, what advice can we collectively give him to deal with his league operator and team captain?
 
Still no response or resolution!!!

Atleast, the BCA president cares about his people enough to make himself available to handle problems!!!!!!!

Kid
Dynomite
 
Color me confused.

You stated that there were papers in the folder and then said that no one told you about owing the money, but when someone did then it was paid.

Several people have chimed in and mentioned did you look on the scoresheet for weekly money owed, or how long did the papers sit in the envelope or folder.

Why is this thread still going?
 
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