mongoose-
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Do you call maturity someone who has a bunch of pictures of half naked women in their signature & types in caps mature. You can spend all you want into the APA don't matter to me either way not my money going out the window.
APA - What a Rip Off.
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Do you call maturity someone who has a bunch of pictures of half naked women in their signature & types in caps mature. You can spend all you want into the APA don't matter to me either way not my money going out the window.
OK, MY POINT WAS TO GET AN ANSWER WITHOUT ASKING THE QUESTION.
IF YOU WENT TO NATIONALS, AND CASHED, YOU SHOULD BE MORE THAN HAPPY WITH THE APA.
DO YOU GET MAD AT THE GUY THAT FIXES YOUR CAR? OR SELLS YOU BATTERIES? THE PROFIT MARGIN ON THOSE, AND MANY OTHER ITEMS/SERVICES IS MUCH HIGHER THAN THE APA, FOR LESS WORK.
DO YOU WANT TO BE THE LO LISTENING TO 100 POOLPLAYERS CALLING TO WHINE ABOUT THEIR SKILL LEVEL, OR SOMEBODY ELSE'S SKILL LEVEL? EVERY WEEK, OVER AND OVER AND OVER....... POOLPLAYERS NEVER STOP WHINING.
I'M AN APA DIVISION REP, AND HEAR THE WHINING, AND GET TO SEE THE E-MAILS THAT THE LEAGUE OP HAS TO READ EVERY WEEK. I'D LOSE MY MIND, AND IT'S NO WHERE NEAR WORTH WHAT HE MAKES TO DEAL WITH IT.
Marcus <--- SORRY THAT YOU DON'T LIKE THE APA
BECAUSE I LIKE WOMEN, AND I HAVE BAD EYES THAT MAKES ME IMMATURE?
YOU'VE GOT TO BE KIDDING.
Marcus <---MATURE ENOUGH TO NOT RESORT TO NAME CALLING
Megan Fox is super hot.
mongoose-
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No problem Marcus.. if you want to know just ask rather then assume. But comparing the APA with a business like a garage is off track. Not the same thing. And I am sure the LO or yourself has to listen to plenty about handicapping. Then again the APA statem of the 23 rule & it's handicapping is another story in itself. I'm sure the LO makes plenty for his time.
SUPER DOOPER HOTTTTTTT
Marcus <--- HAS SOME MORE PICS FOR HIS NEW SIGNATURE....COMING SOON!
The $3800 out of $4800 isn't accurate. I'm not sure why you keep pointing that out.
You never did say in your first post who you asked for the breakdown. But, I'm willing to bet it wasn't the APA LO in that area. If it was, then the lengthy list of things they pay out for would certainly change the numbers you keep quoting.
Our old APA LO would gamble away the league payouts, then tell everyone........Oooopps, sorry.
After a couple of years of this the APA had enough. Sadly alot of people quit in that time.
After a couple of years of this the APA had enough. Sadly alot of people quit in that time.
WHAT MAKES THIS BUSINESS DIFFERENT FROM ANY OTHER? MAYBE IF I KNEW WHY YOU THOUGHT IT WAS DIFFERENT, I'D HAVE A DIFFERENT APPRECIATION FOR YOUR OPINION. BUT TO ME, A BUSINESS IS A BUSINESS.
HE SHOULD, IT'S A BUSINESS. THAT'S HOW HE FEEDS HIS FAMILY, AND PAYS HIS BILLS.
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HERE'S ONE FOR YA....... ABOUT 18 MONTHS AGO, I STARTED A BCA "FRANCHISE" IN MY AREA. I MADE ABOUT A DOLLAR A HEAD, PERE WEEK TO DO THE PAPERWORK/FOR MY TIME. THE PLAYERS FELT IT WAS TO MUCH, AND THE LEAGUE FELL APART.
I THOUGHT DOING IT FOR ONLY A DOLLAR A HEAD WAS MORE THAN GENEROUS, BUT IT WAS JUST ANOTHER EXAMPLE OF HOW CHEAP POOLPLAYERS REALLY CAN BE.
Marcus
mongoose-
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That is what they payback was. The checks don't lie. Yes I know there is other stuff taken out to pay for but the amount taken vs the payback in my opinion is a bit extreme.
If you don't want to be perceived as a liar, you can't quote inaccurate information as fact. Plain and simple. If the money paid in went towards many other things that are presented as awards, you can't say that only $1000 of what was paid in was paid out.
Your league does not work the same as APA. APA is an actual business. Yours is something you do for recreation. If someone came to me and asked me to give them pool lessons, I'd probably do it for them for free, much like you run your league. If 5000 people came to me for pool lessons, I would probably not do it for free anymore. I would have to quit my other job, I would have to make schedules and create the time to teach all of these people.
While I respect that you take the time to give back to your pool playing community, I'm sure your tone would change if 1500 people came to you and asked you to run a free 100% payback league for them.
You certainly wouldn't have the time unless you quit your other job. Once you quit your other job, you would probably want to be paid a fair amount for the work you did, right?
In case you didn't notice, most of the players don't give a crap about going to Vegas because they realize that it is a super long shot that their little butts will be on the plane anyway. They play in the APA to have fun and get a little competition. And you don't have to be able to add 2 + 2 to figure that out.
If the APA is so bad, why don't you go start your own pool league? In Germantown Md they actually did start a 'Pot of Gold' league or something like that, which returned most of the money to the players. It started out like gangbusters but failed. If you wanted to have a good shot at winning some real cash then this might work for you. But then you would have to start churning out those handicapps and putting up with all of the *****ing all over again. Bottom line: you can't have your cake and eat it too. Sounds like you would do well in weekend tournamenst with small cash prizes.
mongoose-
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#1 I have stated no inaccurate info. I can assure you I am no liar. As I had said the LO has 250+ teams & send 3 in 8ball & 2 in 9ball. You do the math you are an LO. Tell me just where the money goes. They give nothing extra to for the Vegas trip but airfare & hotel. And that is 4 rooms to split among 8 players per team. Other places may do it differently but that is how it is done here. The example I gave is just of a small division. There are many more divisions with much more paid into them to only send that many teams.
#2 I would find a number of people willing to donate the time to keep it at 100% payback is what I would do. I do not agree with taking that much money from the players plain & simple business or no business.
mongoose-
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whitewolf for the 3rd time in this thread if you would like to read I do run a small league & do not play the APA.
Don't try to talk sense to a league hater.
It won't get you anywhere. Maybe when the OP's league gets tired of playing the same three teams over and over and over again, they'll spend some thought about why national leagues are a good thing.
Until then don't wrestle with pigs.
MM
It won't get you anywhere. Maybe when the OP's league gets tired of playing the same three teams over and over and over again, they'll spend some thought about why national leagues are a good thing.
Until then don't wrestle with pigs.
MM
I read the last few pages just now, this guy doesn't even participate in an APA league. Looks like you did what you wanted and got out. You have stated your opinion, thanks. See, APA is voluntary, you don't have to play.
mongoose-
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LOL we have had our league going only a few sessions.. give it a chance to grow boys. Gotta love you APA bit****. Just glad it isn't me donating. And YES the APA IS a ripoff.
wow big mud puddle here, quit fueling the fire, apparently mongoose thinks the world is all wrong for trying to make a few bucks, my wife/bother in law own a tap league in 2 counties and have an in house league and we bust our asses to get sheets/schedules, handicaps and such done, trophies, plaqes and tourney reservations and flights are a nightmare, not to mention the headaches of complaining and so on. ill take a bet those that do want to volunter only go for a few months, no one and i repeat no one will work for free for ever!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! let it go, you have very little sympathy, no one cares if you dont like it, you dont even play in it, get your own league full tilt and see if you are wrong or right, i guarantee your 20 minutes of work turns into 15 hrs a week once you have 20 teams or more. we make about enough to pay for a computer for the league and the occasional party to have for our leagues. go figure..... no complaining here just havin fun.
mongoose-
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It is simple if ya don't like the headaches & such get a REAL JOB. And I am sure you don't profit with your leagues like the APA does you probably aren't out to fleece your players dry.
my wife works 45-50 hrs a week and i work that if not more, so get a real job sorry i have plenty. oh also, my wife bartends after shes off at her regular job for her brother, and that of course is after she does all her pool work, so i want to hear a little less of get a real job. thanks,
back to the point, we have similar intake of money as your example, we pay out similar money, were not making dick so, i just dont understand how you assume that the lo makes all this money, we pay lots of other bills with our "profits" like delinquent dues, non paying memebers nightly fees, pool supplies for league ie. paper,chalk, trophies, plaques, and so on. you will figure this out when your league has more than 25 people in it, we have approx 200 in our home bar alone, there is prob another 80-100 in the other bars, step back and look at a real big picture, bigger than mine, you said your apa lo has 250 teams, ill bet his/her week is long and late. do you think its worth making a few bucks per team to do this for a full time living? hell maybe the guy/girl has 3 kids and a house payment, i surley would let him/her have a few bucks extra to put up with my sorry butt 3 times a week for 18 weeks at a time. anyway im outta this,
""""you cant win an argument with an unreasonable person, most people are unreasonable""""
""dont argue""
thanks for letting me share my thoughts ;-)
back to the point, we have similar intake of money as your example, we pay out similar money, were not making dick so, i just dont understand how you assume that the lo makes all this money, we pay lots of other bills with our "profits" like delinquent dues, non paying memebers nightly fees, pool supplies for league ie. paper,chalk, trophies, plaques, and so on. you will figure this out when your league has more than 25 people in it, we have approx 200 in our home bar alone, there is prob another 80-100 in the other bars, step back and look at a real big picture, bigger than mine, you said your apa lo has 250 teams, ill bet his/her week is long and late. do you think its worth making a few bucks per team to do this for a full time living? hell maybe the guy/girl has 3 kids and a house payment, i surley would let him/her have a few bucks extra to put up with my sorry butt 3 times a week for 18 weeks at a time. anyway im outta this,
""""you cant win an argument with an unreasonable person, most people are unreasonable""""
""dont argue""
thanks for letting me share my thoughts ;-)
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