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For the people that claim there are 650+ players, with sub 600 fargo. Please spell out the specific mechanics of how that is accomplished
 
iusedtoberich said:
It's been beaten to death. Posts here, also podcasts from Salotto themselves.

The short answer is the juice is not worth the squeeze.

You'd have to blow a lot of money entering tournaments, being on the stall the whole time, to get your rating low with enough robustness to be let into the big events. By the time that's over, you would have spent more money on the tournaments you dumped compared to the big one you "may" win.

With the Salotto app, the app itself is free. But to get a match entered into it, it cost about $3 for race to 5 or 7 (I forget exactly). The results from the app are also weighted less than tournament results, so you'd have to play a lot more app matches to have the same effect as a tournament match. Additionally, you'd have to find someone to "catch the dump" with you when playing the app. Because if you guys put in the wrong score on purpose (and don't even hit a ball), or, you purposely dump bad without your opponent in on it with you, your opponent's fargo will go up, while your's goes down. If two players are cheating the system, they'd BOTH want their scores to go down. That's simply not possible.

Also, pool players are cheap as dirt. How many players are actually going to pay $3 to have a race? I actually am looking for people to add the salotto app to our gambling sets, and no one wants anything to do with paying extra. Its like being charged $10 an hour instead of $7 an hour for the table time.

Also, salotto matches are all public. If someone was a 607 before a 599 event that had a 20k first prize, and then lost 20 salotto matches in a row to weaker players by scores of 7-1 to get to 599, the TD could see that and disqualify the player.

Disclaimer, I have yet to play a salotto match. I've been trying for a while, no one around me wants to.
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Pool players are cheap as dirt but at the same time do not underestimate their will/ability to pursue a small payout for actions that carry consequences that aren't worth it in the end. To the casual observer it would seam like a tremendous waste of time, money and energy to game the system in the hopes of taking down a tournament that you aren't even guaranteed to win with other equally skilled players dumping to get in.
 
Nothing is impossible. That doesn’t mean it’s actually happening. The winners of these high dollar capped tournaments are heavily scrutinized. AFAIK, they have all been legit. If someone manages to pull this scam off, I bet Mike Page knows immediately.
 
Jimmorrison said:
For the people that claim there are 650+ players, with sub 600 fargo. Please spell out the specific mechanics of how that is accomplished
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If I am understanding your question correctly I am told that players dump matches in league and dump on this app to bring down their rating. Again this is done at the expense of time, energy and money that makes a logical person scratch his head.
 
Well I use Salotto sometimes. the thing about Salotto is I’ll play my friends/fiance Salotto matches, and usually don’t have money on the matches. So even if I’m better than the person I’m playing I might not try as hard, and in turn will tend to give up a game here and there. Maybe that’s the point behind Salotto being weighed less. Because a lot of people will play friends sslotto with nothing on the line but bragging rights.

Not many people I know use the app. None of them cheat that I know of. And It is a good way to get your robustness up. Anybody needing to cheat their fargorate is a pretty sad individual in my book. They have no pride and probably bend under the pressure due to this lack of self awareness. Remember-cheaters never win. They lose anyway and are the players that get the most upset when they lose. If they want to be hustlers they should be hustlers. Don’t ruin it for everyone else.
 
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I play at a room that uses Salotto quite a bit because CT is way behind in establishing Fargo ratings for most players. We are an APA dominated state and the vast majority of players don't even know what a Fargo rating is.

I have the pro version of the app. I pay $1.99 for races up to 7 that are reported to Fargo and $3.99 for anything longer than that (the longest I have done is a race to 13 with my wife. I spotted her 8 games (she was a 350 at the time) and she beat me 13-7. I still haven't lived it down...lol).

IMHO, manipulating your Fargo using Salotto is not only BS, it's a waste of time and money. If you are too high to play in a capped tournament, play to your level or above and improve.
 
Ģüśţāṿ said:
The winners of last few 600 and under tournaments shot almost 100 points higher than their fargo suggested....for the whole tournament. Not say it's not possible for someone to have a good few matches, but it does seem to be the current trend each event.
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That’s clearly a problem. Those players should be banned from future Fargo capped tournaments.
 
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ChrisinNC said:
That’s clearly a problem. Those players should be banned from future rated tournaments.
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Not necessarily. A 550 that doesn’t practice much, then practices every day for the month leading up to a tournament could easily go up 50 points before the event. Then go back down when they stop practicing again. That’s the problem with putting a cap on tournaments. It’s not beneficial for some to get better and stay better.
 
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Willowbrook Wolfy said:
Not necessarily. A 550 that doesn’t practice much, then practices every day for the month leading up to a tournament could easily go up 50 points before the event. Then go back down when they stop practicing again. That’s the problem with putting a cap on tournaments. It’s not beneficial for some to get better.
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I’m a 550 and practiced a month straight for a big 599 event this past weekend and stunk it up. I don’t think it’s possible to legit improve 50 points “temporarily”.
 
iusedtoberich said:
I’m a 550 and practiced a month straight for a big 599 event this past weekend and stunk it up. I don’t think it’s possible to legit improve 50 points “temporarily”.
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Maybe or maybe not. All I’m saying is a lot of players could play better if they wanted to. Especially players under the 5-600 range. I don’t see a 600 jumping up to a 650 in a month, but a 500 going to a 550 is definitely not out of the question. That could be as easy as a 500 cleaning up pattern play. Not only do their patterns get better they make more shots because of it and automatically are playing better shape pushing their game up a whole level at once.
 
Willowbrook Wolfy said:
Maybe or maybe not. All I’m saying is a lot of players could play better if they wanted to. Especially players under the 5-600 range. I don’t see a 600 jumping up to a 650 in a month, but a 500 going to a 550 is definitely not out of the question. That could be as easy as a 500 cleaning up pattern play. Not only do their patterns get better they make more shots because of it and automatically are playing better shape pushing their game up a whole level at once.
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No. It’s 1000% out of the question. UNLESS the 500 player in question is a kid and will be a 500 level player for a few weeks on his way to a 700 plus speed.

500 is not a beginner that doesn’t know how to make a bridge. 500 is a serious player with years of experience and that’s where they topped out at.
 
ChrisinNC said:
That is an open event so there is no issue there.
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The point I was trying to make was usually the top finishers of any given tournament over perform their typical speed. So a top pro like Filler might play 900 speed to win the US Open, "for that single tournament". And a legit 590 might play 650 speed "for that single tournament" to win a 599 and under. Its to show it does not mean anyone was "hiding" their true speed, if it happens this way on both open and handicapped events.
 
This conversation comes up everywhere. Each time you have these people claiming it’s rampant but in doing so just show how much they don’t understand about the system.
 
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