Archer's View on Diamond tables

Shot making on a Diamond has to be more precise...Shots made on other tables sometimes don't fall on Diamonds. It's a pisser and can have you blaming your mother in law... and making nonsensicle comments in haste:embarrassed2:
 
Bigjohn said:
Shot making on a Diamond has to be more precise...Shots made on other tables sometimes don't fall on Diamonds. It's a pisser and can have you blaming your mother in law... and making nonsensicle comments in haste:embarrassed2:
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Getting married again can sometimes cause the same thing:yikes::rotflmao1:
 
Bigjohn said:
Shot making on a Diamond has to be more precise...Shots made on other tables sometimes don't fall on Diamonds. It's a pisser and can have you blaming your mother in law... and making nonsensicle comments in haste:embarrassed2:
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No disrespect intended towards Johnny, but as with most people, often excuses are thrown out because they don't want to admit that they could have made such an error. I haven't looked at the video of the shot in question, but I do know that the phenomenon of "skidding" does exist. Personally I think it's caused by a combination of a chalk mark on the cueball hitting just right on slick, usually new, cloth. I see it much more often on newly recovered tables. The idea that it's a flaw in the Diamond tables is ridiculous. I would think anyone with half a brain would find that just common sense!
 
My caddy's an idiot!!!

Oops,sorry,wrong forum...
Who hasn't said something they wished they hadn't under heat?

I'm sure Johnny Archer isn't too happy with this thread over something
he muttered in frustration.
But he's gonna have to deal with it.
He is one of the game's heroes and anything he says is in the public domain.

We still love ya Johnny
 
Was it high tide, or low tide? And how about what phase of the moon it was at the time...? :p
 
Hmmm

ccshrimper said:
I might have exaggerated a little but I have zero doubt JA could spot Neil the world which is what I meant. If you took it different so be it.
Just a little huh? WOW, some pro could spot a good amatuer....WOW, how insightful. You are brilliant. And I could spot JA 20 points in an IQ test, still would not mean i'm right on everything.


If you've read my posts (which you haven't) I've stuck up for the pros a few times when know-it-all wannabe's like you try to slam them. If you want to be Neil's booty-buddy even though he's never said anything positive on here go ahead. Don't know Neil, but i've read his posts, and usually spot on,and the fact is actually tries to help folks. Not to mention I'm pretty positive he played at a higher level then you could ever dream.

I'll never slam anyone for giving their opinion on here, but don't tell other people they are "wrong". Especially pros. How can anyone be so pompous and arrogant to think because they have had a couple of lessons and listen to all of the CTE instructors they have all the answers and the rest of us (including pros) are "wrong"?
Shrimpy, you are really lost here. So before they turned pro,they could not be right, but once they did they can't be wrong. Dude, take a pill. I see major league players make the dumbest baserunning mistakes and try and defend it afterward. Then the manager comes on and says, well, he's young, he will learn. Just cause your a pro don't make you right automatically. Even the pool pro's have different perspectives on aiming, banking, breaking etc.....are they all right? Are they all wrong. Please. Get a litlle perspective shrimpy.

From Shrimpy: This is what Neil originally said and one of many posts like it I had an objection to.

"Thanks for the chuckles this morning guys! One thing is apparent in this thread- too many of you are "star struck". Just because someone is real, real, good at what they do, does NOT mean that everything they say is to be taken as the gospel truth! While the pros are very, very, good at what they do, you would be surprised at how often what they THINK they know is wrong."
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How could you possibly have a problem with the above quote from Neil. Just a very good observation that Pro's don't have all the answers either. And when I miss I don't bit*h at the table like a spoiled 5 year old. He missed. Get over it. No, but instead he insults the brand of table. Pool is dying and now we need to insult the guy who who supports and promotes tourneys. Not all pro's are smart, nor are all dumb, and one reason only a handful of folks make a good living at this fine but dying sport.
 
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ChicagoRJ said:
How could you possibly have a problem with the above quote from Neil. Just a very good observation that Pro's don't have all the answers either. And when I miss I don't bit*h at the table like a spoiled 5 year old. He missed. Get over it. No, but instead he insults the brand of table. Pool is dying and now we need to insult the guy who who supports and promotes tourneys. Not all pro's are smart, nor are all dumb, and one reason only a handful of folks make a good living at this fine but dying sport.
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Not worth arguing over this anymore. I'll pm you everything else I have to say.
 
jay helfert said:
BINGO! You nailed it there Mitchell. I also have a Diamond in my home and must clean the balls regularly. This is a problem that needs to be remedied. Fortunately a little hand cleaner does the trick getting these marks off the balls. So before any game I play with someone I clean them real good. After an hour or two, there are marks on all the balls again. Any time you hit the pocket hard, it leaves a mark. It has to do with the leather used in the pockets.

By the way, I LOVE my Diamond table! I will never trade it for anything else. I also happen to like the new Gold Crowns. To me it's like the difference between a Lincoln and a Caddy, both good cars. Compared with what else is out there, I'd prefer one of these two tables. I don't mind taking five minutes to clean the balls once in a while. Have you ever noticed how often Earl cleans the balls? He's always done that. So did Mosconi all those years ago. John Schmidt is another one who realizes clean balls play better. So what else is new? Shame on Johnny for not cleaning them after all those racks! It was inevitable this would happen eventually and he should know that.
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Best post in these 20 pages is from Jay. Who wants pocket marks on the balls to potentially cause skid or just deter from the appearance of balls. I wish diamond would consider offering a gold crown type pocket liner as an option. They do offer the 3 piece slate on some models now.
Anyway, both great tables. How about options on the pockets? Buyers preference?
(just my humble opinion)
 
Da Bank said:
not following your logic at all there big man.
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Hell...I don't know what I was thinking at that moment...it's been more than a day from now....hard enough to try and remember where I parked my truck everytime I go into Home Depot...must have been something funny at the time though...I see I was laughing:D
 
Blackjack said:
Dennis, it must have been that damn static electricity. Few people understand or know of this phenomenon. Static electricity is transferred from the carpet to the cloth...
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Absolutely, which is why good quality tables like, say, the Brunswick Gold Crown range, have lots of metal on the rails and corners to allow players to ground themselves and discharge the static build-up. This is of course one the 3,239 essential components of a good pre-shot routine, right after dilating your pupils and before uncrossing your toes ;)

Or maybe it was just the Pocket Trolls messing with Mr. Archer? I hear they hate him because he is always removing the table fuzz before they get a chance to eat it.
 
AuntyDan said:
Absolutely, which is why good quality tables like, say, the Brunswick Gold Crown range, have lots of metal on the rails and corners to allow players to ground themselves and discharge the static build-up. This is of course one the 3,239 essential components of a good pre-shot routine, right after dilating your pupils and before uncrossing your toes ;)

Or maybe it was just the Pocket Trolls messing with Mr. Archer? I hear they hate him because he is always removing the table fuzz before they get a chance to eat it.
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Well, at least one person detected the humor!
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I am not going to read all 20 pages of this to see if someone has considered the Diamond rails to be the culprit (assuming this thread is still about balls skiddiing).

In Freddy the Beard's DVD set, Freddy says never to hit the cue ball in the center as that can cause whitey to skid/skid more.

Assuming Freddy is correct and I tend to agree with his theory, I would then consider that the Diamond rails (not the cushions) are giving the shooter a flatter stroke (usually a good thing).

This theory may have some supporting evidence if those of you who own Diamonds have notice the skidding occurring more often on shots where the cue ball is closer to the rail.

How about it?
 
Celtic said:
Have not seen that but I do agree with Archer on the skidding. I have never seen anywhere close to the number of balls skid on any other table like I have seen take place on a diamond. It is not even close, you will get 10 times+ the number of skids on a diamond.
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That's just nonsense! 10x ey?? Random number I'd guess but I own a Diamond table and shoot on many different types of tables, this statement does not even make sense and I have not found this to be true at all.

I only read the first few posts in this thread so I may be repeating others here but Celtic's statement is just silly.

If the balls are not cleaned and there are black marks from the pockets, that could aid in the skid. Otherwise, the table has nothing to do with it. It would make sense if you were talking about a particular ball type/brand but saying Diamonds skid 10x more is a joke.. JMHO
 
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