Are the new Tariffs on Goods from China going to affect prices on Pool cues?

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slide13 said:
I wonder about JB Cases since those all come from China. What's going to happen to the price and availability of both his cases and the interiors. Having had a lot of nice cases over the years I'll pretty much only use something with a JB interior at this point, like my wonderful leather case from Al King or my JB Ultimate Rugged. Hope the supply of those don't dry up.

Seyberts has some in stock if anybody needs to snag one
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Simple fix: buy a Castillo.
 
also prices follow supply and demand. so while they may and will go up at first for many items demand decreases so they have to lower them to follow that or go out of business.

the real problem is that big tariffs that come quickly affect the commercial and economic markets because of greater concerns than necessary.
 
skip100 said:
Could, should, would - doesn't really matter. Price increases will filter their way through the system since that's how capitalism and economics work.

Trumpers seem willing to accept a lot of short-term pain to get to the long-term supposed gain of bringing sweatshops and dangerous manual labor back to America.
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As to getting more ripped off by manual labor and sweatshops in another country. LOL
 
Where dealers, sellers and businesses go to die and when they start to speak out in this thread.

The seasoned NPR guys will win these arguments and the emotions will show and they do damage to their brand and business due to cancel culture and boycott. LOL

I suggest them to just sit on the fence and read.
 
boogieman if nike could sell those same shoes for 200 they already would be. but competitors are around the 150 price now so pushing up a price causes loss of sales. and with the giant markups they have they can absorb much or all the tariff to hold their most profitable price at peak demand..

same with the companies that make pool cues in china. they make them there because they then get a giant markup.
buying them doesnt mean you get true value for your dollar just pay less dollars.
 
maha said:
boogieman if nike could sell those same shoes for 200 they already would be. but competitors are around the 150 price now so pushing up a price causes loss of sales. and with the giant markups they have they can absorb much or all the tariff to hold their most profitable price at peak demand..
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I think Americans should be in more control of their consumerism. While people are complaining about prices for things they don't need, they should not buy. What's going to happen are the corporations taking a hit and lower their markup.

We are the consumer and we can choose not to buy. It's up to ABC corporation to find ways to sell their product.

Media is fear mongering everyone into thinking an iphone will be 3k. LOL
 
bw you are right and all except totally necessary products are priced according to supply and demand.
and those do need to be regulated to some extent if priced out of reach of too many and have large markups because of that. like life saving drugs.

and people have to realize you can only buy what you can afford not what someone else can afford.
we all are not equal in purchasing power or deciding where we want to use our money.
 
nataddrho said:
I have a very small business making custom consumer electronic hardware, including stuff for pool and billiards. It is a side hustle but helps put a dent in my mortgage and was helpful for paying off my student debt and accumulating a 20% down payment on a house. I don’t have any debt except for my mortgage for the first time in my life, and I’m 42. I did everything right, I was just born during a terrible economic generation without rich parents. This helped me break even.

All of my molds and manufacturing supply chains are set up in Shenzhen, one of the best campuses in the world for tech. But because of a hemorrhoidic cheeto with a geriatric world view I have to almost stop my business. Those with cheeto residue on their fingers don’t understand that transferring to the US isn’t an option, and lack of sympathy based on national pride makes me want to drop kick humble pie down American throats.

I’ll note that this is temporary, and I am not worried.
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nataddrho said:
It is a world economy. You don’t just pull the plug and watch everyone fail, then cross your arms and say “serves you right for XYZ, go Merica!” That’s when I really go ahead and say “k boomer.”
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I choose to revert back to maintaining my professional attitude on this site and won’t talk about this further. Thread closed for me.





Good move, a few posts too late. You chose to set up in china with the risks that entailed. Your basic business model has been based on cheap chinese pricing. When it bites you in the shorts then you bash our president. Trump is far from perfect but much of what he is doing should have been done long ago including balancing unfair trade practices china and other countries have long used. I favor automatic reciprocal tariffs with all countries. when they plain bar US goods of some types I favor a reciprocal action there too. I favored that with past republican presidents, with past democrats in office too.

Unless the chinese law has changed one reason you can't move out of china is that the chinese companies actually making your products or any part of them can then manufacture in china and use your brand name there without giving you a penny. With the gray market their competing product will soon be over much of the world.

When you make a deal with the devil there is often a price to be paid. The tariff deal will probably bounce around for the next few years, might ruin some businesses with your business model. You pay your money, you take your chances.

Hu
 
ShootingArts said:
I choose to revert back to maintaining my professional attitude on this site and won’t talk about this further. Thread closed for me.





Good move, a few posts too late. You chose to set up in china with the risks that entailed. Your basic business model has been based on cheap chinese pricing. When it bites you in the shorts then you bash our president. Trump is far from perfect but much of what he is doing should have been done long ago including balancing unfair trade practices china and other countries have long used. I favor automatic reciprocal tariffs with all countries. when they plain bar US goods of some types I favor a reciprocal action there too. I favored that with past republican presidents, with past democrats in office too.

Unless the chinese law has changed one reason you can't move out of china is that the chinese companies actually making your products or any part of them can then manufacture in china and use your brand name there without giving you a penny. With the gray market their competing product will soon be over much of the world.

When you make a deal with the devil there is often a price to be paid. The tariff deal will probably bounce around for the next few years, might ruin some businesses with your business model. You pay your money, you take your chances.

Hu
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OK, no more bashing and negativity 🤘
 
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ShootingArts said:
I choose to revert back to maintaining my professional attitude on this site and won’t talk about this further. Thread closed for me.





Good move, a few posts too late. You chose to set up in china with the risks that entailed. Your basic business model has been based on cheap chinese pricing. When it bites you in the shorts then you bash our president. Trump is far from perfect but much of what he is doing should have been done long ago including balancing unfair trade practices china and other countries have long used. I favor automatic reciprocal tariffs with all countries. when they plain bar US goods of some types I favor a reciprocal action there too. I favored that with past republican presidents, with past democrats in office too.

Unless the chinese law has changed one reason you can't move out of china is that the chinese companies actually making your products or any part of them can then manufacture in china and use your brand name there without giving you a penny. With the gray market their competing product will soon be over much of the world.

When you make a deal with the devil there is often a price to be paid. The tariff deal will probably bounce around for the next few years, might ruin some businesses with your business model. You pay your money, you take your chances.

Hu
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Very good and fair post.

I do love the bolded statement. Never thought of it that way. They will make your product cheap but comes at a cost and that is, they know how to make it and they will rebrand it as their own.

That right there is a huge red flag for anyone trying to create something.
 
billiards_watch said:
I disagree.

It's not like people stop playing pool while waiting for their shaft.

I have a cue that is taking almost two years to build. Put money down and forget about it. I still have other cues to shoot with.
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Your example only holds water for someone with YOUR mindset (and quite frankly mine). You or I do not mind waiting for for a custom cue/shaft for an extended period of time. The normal league players that I have met are in a completely different realm. They are compulsive buyers and act fast when they want something.
 
billiards_watch said:
Doesn't affect me. I buy American and already having something being built.

Perhaps the moral of this whole entire tariff thing is for you guys to stop buying those rebranded Chinese cues and perhaps support the domestic cue makers. Word has it the cue builders here are the best in the world. It's actually a known fact.

Plenty of nice stuff on the used market too even though I suggest buying from the cue builder. Lets say because of the tariffs you are force to buy an American cue then its not bad at all.

Then some of you guys can appreciate what Made in USA is all about when you see these cues.
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As usual, more ignorance from this renamed and probably previously banned tool.

He fails to mention which USA built cue brand can satisfy current demand?
 
I for one would like to just take a moment to thank everyone for being civil, open minded, and coming together as a community to really attack these challenges head on. Today I'm proud to call myself not only an American, but a member of the AZ Community. Do yourself a favor. Take a step back and look at everything we've accomplished. It's pretty impressive.
 
billiards_watch said:
Very good and fair post.

I do love the bolded statement. Never thought of it that way. They will make your product cheap but comes at a cost and that is, they know how to make it and they will rebrand it as their own.

That right there is a huge red flag for anyone trying to create something.
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My point, is that there is a side of the Chinese economy that produces very high quality items. You aren’t aware of this because of market dumping. But they aren’t the devil. Just please try to realize this. It is a huge country. Take care.
 
Black-Balled said:
Kudos for the list.

They don't produce sufficient quantity to satisfy overall demand.
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If they have inventory in stock, then they produce sufficient quantity. The issue may more likely be demand. FWIW, I'm just talking cues here, which admittedly is very niche. Some of these companies produce a variety of CNC round "pointed" cues, which are generally looked upon unfavorably by pool players. I'm not saying that is the whole issue, just one piece of a larger puzzle. Then you have other issues like marketing, cost, etc. Say what you will about Cuetec, Predator, etc, but they have successfully marketed their products.
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