Badpenguin
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Maybe you should educate yourself on how the world economy has worked during this current century. But I know how big you folks are on education, so I'm not crossing my fingers.
Are the new Tariffs on Goods from China going to affect prices on Pool cues?
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without tariffs or giant govt. handouts you cannot restart manufacturing as no one in their right mind is going to build a factory to produce what everyone else can buy cheaper than you can make it.
in china workers make a pittance and work 6 days a week ten hours a day. you cannot compete with that as is.
so you have to bite the bullet or depend on a country that the govt. hates you and wants to ultimately destroy your way of life.
in china workers make a pittance and work 6 days a week ten hours a day. you cannot compete with that as is.
so you have to bite the bullet or depend on a country that the govt. hates you and wants to ultimately destroy your way of life.
I heard an interesting tidbit the other day, but haven't researched it much (does make sense though). The US imports substantial amounts of aluminum from Canada (there are aluminum pins in some cues so this is relevant to an extent
). Tariffs are making it more expensive, so why not ramp up US processing ? Well, refining bauxite takes a lot of electricity, and to replace the Canadian supply would mean adding about 5 new nuclear power plants. Certainly not impossible, but that won't happen very quickly. In the meantime pay more. And wait for another 3.75 years when a new President may implement completely different policies. Interesting business decisions for sure.Dave
I applaud the US for investing government money into semiconductor plants, wise move.
Another problem is the loss skills. I read where the US does not have the tool & die skills in numbers to build up manufacturing. I'm sure there are many trades and skill sets that have been reduced over the decades, and rebuilding human resources takes time. I guess you could import those, but at a time when the US is very anti-immigrant I wonder if it's an attractive place to many.
This is a bit extreme. Places like China and India may be different but do they really want to "destroy your way of life" ? And would that "way of life" include other western developed countries like UK, Germany, Sweden, Switzerland, Canada, Australia etc., or just the USA ?
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we had aluminum plants in the u.s. one i know of which was a large one closed down because of low prices elsewhere like china and south america.
those jobs were high paying ones, gone.
once the cheap countries wipe out the production elsewhere they can start raising prices on their own as no competition exists anymore. so you lose anyway. just get a couple more years of cheap.
those jobs were high paying ones, gone.
once the cheap countries wipe out the production elsewhere they can start raising prices on their own as no competition exists anymore. so you lose anyway. just get a couple more years of cheap.
uh yes, china as well as many mid east countries do want to rule and control the world. they are progressing a little at a time.
here is just the present disputes of who they are working on
theweek.com
here is just the present disputes of who they are working on
All the countries in which China claims territory
Beijing is engaged in disputes with 17 nations over land and sea borders
theweek.com
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All governments want to destroy their own citizens' way of life. It's what they do. I really don't think they can help themselves.
Any time anyone discovers a new niche or industry where they can make money the government can't wait to swoop in and tax it and regulate it to death until everybody but the top few can barely scrape by. They literally figure out how much they think you should make and then take the rest via red tape, legislation and taxes.
Anybody who tries to live a "different" life than the 9-5 corporate grind is in the crosshairs.
Um, Canada is by far your largest supplier, and we have wages/standard-of-living not unlike yours. We have resources, plants, cheap/abundant electricity, and are a fair bit closer too. I doubt our capacity will evaporate in the face of competition.
US Aluminum Import by Country: Top 10 USA Aluminum Import Partners in 2024
- Canada: $11.47 billion (40.68%) ...
- China: $3.07 billion (10.85%) ...
- Mexico: $1.84 billion (6.53%) ...
- United Arab Emirates: $1.28 billion (4.50%) ...
- South Korea: $981.84 million (3.45%) ...
- India: $820.54 million (2.90%) ...
- Bahrain: $726.23 million (2.55%
yes, i was just asking google. this however was from tradingeconomics:
and statista is showing the same trend. hardly slavery. three, four decades ago they were on the rice fields and/or sustenance farming.
Tariffs will go away when Tariff War ends.
Could end is 30 minutes, or last years.
Could end is 30 minutes, or last years.
billiards_watch
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I believe we have four big aluminum producers.
They don't want to "destroy our way of life" they want to sell us toaster and shoes and tv's and everything in Walmart or Costco or any discount mall in America. The last thing they want to do is stop us as "buyers"
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Bishop with the 2 point take down.....To rephrase. You’re suggesting that it’s a good thing to tax the working class (125% in some cases) as a means to motivate the upper wealth to create manufacturing..
Had our government outright said they were going to tax the piss out of the working class to see if it motivates people to create manufacturing you’d be pissed. So would most people.
The way this whole thing is being pitched to people is ridiculous. It also exposes the ones dumb enough to actually argue on behalf of higher prices.
You guys voted for less inflation and a more reasonable cost of living. Now you’re defending a massive tax and telling people they should be spending less and happy to pay more.
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billiards_watch
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Don't like the New High prices on products made in China, don't buy them. Problem resolved, by locally in the USA.
china makes no bones about planning to rule the world. They look at history and the long periods they ruled their known world and consider it their natural place. They don't care if it takes fifty, a hundred years, two hundred. The goal remains the same, to rule the known world again. They are constantly pushing on land and sea.
Because we think in years and china thinks in decades and centuries they may well achieve their goal. On the economic front china owns 860 billion dollars of US debt and it's growing rapidly. We thought their military could poise no threat in the next hundred years only a decade or two ago. They have stolen or bought the technology they needed and have made a huge leap. Defeating them today may be impractical, tomorrow impossible. What happens when china pushes into countries we are sworn to protect? More ukraines that we had pledged to protect in exchange for them giving up one of the world's biggest nuclear arsenals? russia would have never invaded if ukraine still had nukes, or maybe they would have invaded years ago to get the nukes. Either way, we have largely ignored our obligation, something the whole world has observed.
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Because we think in years and china thinks in decades and centuries they may well achieve their goal. On the economic front china owns 860 billion dollars of US debt and it's growing rapidly. We thought their military could poise no threat in the next hundred years only a decade or two ago. They have stolen or bought the technology they needed and have made a huge leap. Defeating them today may be impractical, tomorrow impossible. What happens when china pushes into countries we are sworn to protect? More ukraines that we had pledged to protect in exchange for them giving up one of the world's biggest nuclear arsenals? russia would have never invaded if ukraine still had nukes, or maybe they would have invaded years ago to get the nukes. Either way, we have largely ignored our obligation, something the whole world has observed.
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even locally built or assembled products have Chinese parts in them. For example, every single automobile on the road. You’re wanting to boycott products because our government applied a tax on US citizens.
You’re next level tone deaf if you can’t figure it out by now.
Take all this and partner it up with making enemies of our two closest allies and trade partners.
All while not having significant manufacturing infrastructure.
On the hope that…
It’ll come. One day.
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