Are there still people that think this way?

Can Women compete on the same stage as Men

  • YES! i'd love to get the 8 from Jasmin Ouchan

    Votes: 28 52.8%

  • NO! i'd love to give the 8 to Jasmin Ouchan

    Votes: 25 47.2%
  • Total voters
    53
thefonz

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I mean really, individuals mentioned in this video are entitled to their opinion. It may have been out of context, but i was supprised that Mika Immonen was in agreeance, however by hearsay. But this video isn't that old, and i didn't think many people thought this way nowdays.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YucUKisKcAI&feature=related

It got me thinking though......
i've always thought the one great thing about cuesports over many other sports is that there are few physical boundries preventing any individual from becoming great at it. great players come in all shapes, we have your Dennis Hatch's, Shannon Daulton's, Larry Nevel's and your Dennis Orcullo's, Alex Pagulayan's, Nick Varner's. Despite the huge difference in physical power between these examples, i think most would agree that the small guys (no offence) do pretty darn well.:thumbup: heck, i'd put money on Jasmin Ouschan vs Warren Kiamco in a cage match anyday. So it's not anything physical in nature. Are we talking about intangible differences between the sexes?

so i thought an opinion poll would be interesting. The question:

Given that participation levels are equal to ensure that the talent pool is even on both sides, in the future are women capable of competing on the same stage that men do?
 
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That is a loaded poll question. I personally wouldn't give Jasmin the 8, because I suck. I know she's a great player, but the best of the women cannot successfully compete with the best of the men, yet anyway. I think that's an accurate reflection, nothing against women or anything.
 
mincho said:
That is a loaded poll question. I personally wouldn't give Jasmin the 8, because I suck. I know she's a great player, but the best of the women cannot successfully compete with the best of the men, yet anyway. I think that's an accurate reflection, nothing against women or anything.
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Even tho I answered the poll as intended, I agree...
 
If there was no other cultural biases to consider, I would still expect men to out compete women in pool. This is because there are more men playing pool than women. With a larger base population, the top 50 male players represent a higher percentile rank among men than the top 50 women would out of their population. Now stack on top of this, it is more difficult for a woman to get a date after one-uping the prospective date on the table. The population for competative women players has become that much smaller. Sure glad I'm not a girl.:grin-square:
 
Since there is a bonus in many events for the highest woman player that tells me that they expect the ladies to not win the event so they throw them a scooby snack so they will compete. i hate this fact however cos if I play in a event that puts me against Allison or Karen or Kelly they will win. cos they are better than me. So why do they get a bonus and I don't for not placing?
So to answer your question after my little rant. No I am afraid the women can't compete with the men even though it should be equal footing based on the evidence you provided with the smaller men.
 
So women are allowed to play in mens events....but men are not allowed to play in womens events? I thought we were all equal? I love that women only use equal rights when it benefits them. DOUBLE STANDARD. If they want to play in mens events, than stop having any womens events and have them all play together and watch the women have to pick up side jobs. I strongly believe we should all have equal opportunities, but you cant have equality when you feel like it and segregate when it doesnt benefit you.
 
not exactly what i was looking for

i'm not asking whether they should or shouldn't. i'm asking whether anyone thinks they're not capable of competing on the same stage.
 
thefonz said:
i'm not asking whether they should or shouldn't. i'm asking whether anyone thinks they're not capable of competing on the same stage.
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Its a great question, but I don't think it can be answered with any level of accuracy. Certainly the top women don't stack up to the top men right now, but one could postulate that it is because there are less women playing in general. Normally, if that were true, I would think that would only change the percentage of women that could play at the men's top level, with some still making it there. However, it appears that the top 3 or 4 females would not break at least the current top 30 men on a consistent basis from the tournament results.
 
I agree with Needo. I think there is such a huge difference between the number of men playing this game and the number of women playing this game that it is hard for women to have as much overall talent.
 
I totally agree with Billy. Are women capable of beating a man in a match? Yes. Can women, in general, be COMPETETIVE on a mens tour? No. There are plenty of female players out there that could beat me. But we are talking about the best versus the best. Sorry, but do you see any woman winning a tournamet going through Alcano, van Boening, Busty, Hatch, Mika, Deuell, etc.... on the way to a win. Get real. Maybe win one match. But not gonna go through them all. Personally, I think Jasmin has the best chance at it. I think she has the most potential. But she too will fall short. I will put it another way, women have as much chacne of beating men as we have beating this dead horse of a question.
 
Sorry but even the strongest of the women can't outbreak even the weakest top male pros. Once you hit a certain level of play in rotation its simply a breaking contest.

The other theories are correct too. A smaller percentage of women overall play pool. So their best simply won't beat our best. The gambling matches I've seen between top women and men puts the absolute top women at about shortstop speed, even a ball or so below a regional pro.

I'm sure the top twenty men wouldn't have much of a problem giving the 7 to pretty much any of the women.
 
This is as skewed a poll as they come. You couldn't possibly make the options worse in a poll than this.

I'm really anti-analogy but here is one:

Is Obama a good President?

No. I could do a better job as President.
Yes. There could be no better President.
 
There are very few people on this entire site who would "LOVE" to get the 8 from Jasmine. There are WAY fewer who would "LOVE" giving the 8.

If playing 14.1, almost nobody on this site has a chance in the long run except for a small handful of guys.

I think I watched her play Hohmann when she ran 75, lock-safed, won the safety battle and went 75-out. That chick plays good.
 
In thoroughbred horse racing, women broke in as riders around 1969. Since there were no races limited to female riders, they had to go against the guys.

It took about 20 years before you started seeing women riders consistently at the top of the jocks list at major tracks, maybe around 10 years for minor tracks. They are still a distinct minority, but the best of them are very capable of being better than most of the guys, and that is in a sport that takes substantial strength and athletic ability. Far more than pool.

So, if you removed the segregation of tournaments by gender, I would guess that it would take 10-20 years of trying before they established themselves as clearly equal. Perhaps less, as gender barriers in general are far less than they were 40 years ago.
 
That was the most ridiculous video I have ever seen. Even if you disregard the womens rights part of it. . .The guy, sorry I forgot the name, was trying to tell us how power is so important while watching "pools smallest man" Efren destroy an average size guy.

Ignorance comes in many forms. It just happened to come in the form of a no count color commentator that day.

If there was anything which made women less skilled at pool, it would be that women are like 1:20 in the pool room. If 1:1000 is good enough to play on the mens tour, that equals roughly 0 women on the tour. It is a numbers game, that is all. If 50% of the women alive put some effort into learning pool, it is a sport where they could beat the men regularly.
 
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