Are you sure these guys are "Amateurs"?
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If it wasnt for bar tables and pool leagues the industry would be dead. IF ITS SO EASY ON THE BAR RAG every match should be 7-6or 9-8.Most tourns. are short races for time try to get large fields. Make longer races smaller fields and make everyone play it out.The beer companys alone should be supporting pool.
Is there another big event going on somewhere? Why are there not more big name players here? Is it just because it's a bar box event?
There's no true conformation that he even said that. Just speculation.
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JC
Coos Cues
The beer companies are a parasite. Pool is a host. This parasite is very resilient though. If the host dies, it just jumps to a new one without missing a beat. That's why beer's been around longer than pool.
Just my opinion
I have seen Stan in Vegas for several years, for Bca or VNEA. He always plays good. Glenn is a better player, but Stan is capable of playing some great pool, and beating anyone on a bar box in single races. Would I like him gambling against Shane? NO... But, in a tourney format, he always has a chance. You can take "any good player", and they are capable of winning something like this tourney, if they manage to keep their head about them. Knock em in Stan, and snap it all the way off.
I have seen Stan in Vegas for several years, for Bca or VNEA. He always plays good. Glenn is a better player, but Stan is capable of playing some great pool, and beating anyone on a bar box in single races. Would I like him gambling against Shane? NO... But, in a tourney format, he always has a chance. You can take "any good player", and they are capable of winning something like this tourney, if they manage to keep their head about them. Knock em in Stan, and snap it all the way off.
What???
I guess that's why the U.S. Open 9-Ball Championships is one of the most coveted titles in the world for many many years now,because it's such a non-professional game. Obviously I wouldn't call bar boxs professional equipment. I think 14.1 is a great game, however I also think 9-ball is a great game. Apparently many other people think that also considering that way more people play 9-ball than 14.1. That being said I'm not so full of my self or snooty that just because I like 9-ball I feel the need to put down 14.1,who knows maybe more people would play 14.1 if some of the people who played it didn't have that attitude.
I guess that's why the U.S. Open 9-Ball Championships is one of the most coveted titles in the world for many many years now,because it's such a non-professional game. Obviously I wouldn't call bar boxs professional equipment. I think 14.1 is a great game, however I also think 9-ball is a great game. Apparently many other people think that also considering that way more people play 9-ball than 14.1. That being said I'm not so full of my self or snooty that just because I like 9-ball I feel the need to put down 14.1,who knows maybe more people would play 14.1 if some of the people who played it didn't have that attitude.
I appreciate your comments and your candor. However, there is a change underfoot in the professional arena, and -- whether people want to hear it or not -- it's AWAY from 9-ball. Yes, the U.S. Open 9-ball Championship is a coveted title. And it will be a coveted title for years to come -- just because of its incredibly rich history and the folks behind it. Also, let's not forget about the Mosconi Cup, which, even in stark contrast to its namesake, is a 9-ball event.
However, let's make no mistake about the fact that pros by and large prefer to play 10-ball. The lion's share of the issues with 9-ball essentially vanish in the game of 10-ball. I do believe folks will see this trend continue, not abate.
Again, thanks for your candor.
-Sean
This comment makes no sense to me. Are you saying lesser players are the favorite because it's on the short track???? It might have a bit of an equalizing effect but it's not that big.
You are correct that the lesser players are not the favorite jus coz it is a barbox...but I think that is an illogical conclusion too, your interpretation.
there is a significant eqalizing factor.
A compliment you know CONGRADULATIONS!!!
THE BOOK:
Don't understand that remark from Shane,if the event was for amateurs then why was he playing in it?
ITSFROZE:
Shane was giving them a compliment for their high level of play would be my guess.
Are you sure these guys are amateurs ?????
THE BOOK:
Don't understand that remark from Shane,if the event was for amateurs then why was he playing in it?
ITSFROZE:
Shane was giving them a compliment for their high level of play would be my guess.
Are you sure these guys are amateurs ?????
Can't agree with this one. There is absolutely no situation or table in which a "lesser player" is favored over a more skilled one.
I concur........
Lighten up guys...
When someone says - "barboxes favor the lessor players", they don't really mean that a banger will be the favorite over a champ like SVB. All they are saying is that in a short race the lesser player has a greater chance of winning than if they were playing on the 9 footer.
It may not be worded perfectly, but I think I know what they mean and I don't think anybody can disagree with this.
When someone says - "barboxes favor the lessor players", they don't really mean that a banger will be the favorite over a champ like SVB. All they are saying is that in a short race the lesser player has a greater chance of winning than if they were playing on the 9 footer.
It may not be worded perfectly, but I think I know what they mean and I don't think anybody can disagree with this.
IMO the bar box equalizing effect is in actuality smaller than people tend to think. The better player always has the advantage if he/she is equally familiar with the game and equipment.
It's not news that upsets happen all the time in 9ball matches especially if the races are short but that can be said for whatever size equipment the players are on.
I've played 9ball matches where many games played out their entirety in less than the space a 7 fter would allow but on 9 or 10 footers. So I think the equalizing factor is mostly based on the perception that bar tables are easier or for lesser players to win on. It's not easier if the better player knows how to take advantage of the space limitations of close quarters pool.
A couple examples for you,
1. It can be harder to keep the ball on the table when having to jump over a lock up safety especially the short way across the table. So safety escapes can be seriously limited.
2. Here's a funnier example that has happened to me quite a bit while I was a harder breaker. I've experienced breaking hard on a barbox where I'd make a ball or two or three and have just about all the remaining balls move to the head string side of the table with them unfortunately ending up looking like I needed to break them again to get a shot.
It's not news that upsets happen all the time in 9ball matches especially if the races are short but that can be said for whatever size equipment the players are on.
I've played 9ball matches where many games played out their entirety in less than the space a 7 fter would allow but on 9 or 10 footers. So I think the equalizing factor is mostly based on the perception that bar tables are easier or for lesser players to win on. It's not easier if the better player knows how to take advantage of the space limitations of close quarters pool.
A couple examples for you,
1. It can be harder to keep the ball on the table when having to jump over a lock up safety especially the short way across the table. So safety escapes can be seriously limited.
2. Here's a funnier example that has happened to me quite a bit while I was a harder breaker. I've experienced breaking hard on a barbox where I'd make a ball or two or three and have just about all the remaining balls move to the head string side of the table with them unfortunately ending up looking like I needed to break them again to get a shot.
I don't think you are understanding what the statement actually means. Look at it this way...
A better/pro player is 70/30 to win over a highly skilled amateur on a big table. Same two guys, on a small table, the better/pro player is now 60/40 to win over the other player. The context of the statement is who's odds increase on the barbox. Since the amateur's odds increased, the barbox favors the lesser player. That isn't the same as saying the lesser player is favored to win.
Kelly
But the phrase everyone is talking about is :Barbox favors the lesser player.
Yeah, I got that.
The statements "Barbox favors the lesser player" and "On a barbox the lesser player is favored to win" do not have the same meaning.
Kelly